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Watch Obama hand Ed Harris his ass. Ed starts with the braindead talking points, then gets a lesson in common sense. Go to 30:45

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Sig, ya left out the part where Iraq was keeping Iran fully occupied and contained without any action on the part of the USA. Then we removed Saddam, and discovered that WE had to worry about Iran.

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Why did we have to "worry about" Iran??? As far as I can tell, they're over there, and we're over here.

You see, I think this is part of the Great American Hubris... thinking that we "have to" somehow interfere with every single nation in the world.

And Obama's continuing that policy.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Deal w/ THAT.

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Deal w/ THAT.

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Dude, you just spent a LOT of time typing junk not worth responding to.
My advice: keep your nonsense short for YOUR sake.

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Deal w/ THAT.

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Dude, you just spent a LOT of time typing junk not worth responding to.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
( See how I'm NOT calling you names or impugning your intelligence ? )

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Unlike GWB, Obama is too smart not to know what he's doing.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Unlike GWB, Obama is too smart not to know what he's doing.

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I guess I'm asking for a judgement here... do YOU think OBAMA thinks he's trying to leave a better world for his kids to grow up in, or is he simply conducting himself along his perceived 'rules of the fucked-up jungle' that his kids will have to take their chances in just like everybody else?

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I always love to watch as some criticize those who make the tough decisions from the safety of their living rooms.

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He is "optimizing his returns".

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He is "optimizing his returns". What he tells himself about WHY he's doing it is irrelevant.

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Actually, yes, I think Obama does love dropping bombs on people. I think he gets off on the power. Isn't he the one who said "I'm rather good at killing people"?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/03/obama-drones-double-down_n_42
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AFA what's happening in Ukraine, you have not a clue. The USA, the EU, and the IMF are about to bleed the Ukraine dry, if they can, and force it to fight Russia. I'll post another thread some time later today, and link it here because I think you've been hopelessly brainwashed. And you get off on the notion that you're "exceptional" and that everybody in the world is evil except you.

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Of course I'm angry. I should be, and so should you. And I'm not a cynic, I'm a realist. If you read my posts, you'll see that I have them fully linked to provable events.

BTW- Just to give you an example of how off-kilter your world view is, you may be thinking that the "whole world" is on "our" side, joining us in a holy chorus of condemnation of the Russians. The reality is that more than half of the world abstained or voted no in the UN, including the B(R)ICS... that means... China, Brazil, and India... in addition to scores of other nations. (Don't believe me? Look it up.) They don't think that the USA is a superhero. Unlike you, they've had painful experience with the IMF and its loans directly and they know what "austerity" is all about. So you might want to adjust your notion of exactly how many people you think are on "our" side.

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I would point out that much of the worlds population is feed a lot of misinformation about us.

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Just imagine what they are hearing at times about us.

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And you get off on the notion that you're "exceptional" and that everybody in the world is evil except you.

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I would point out that much of the worlds population is feed a lot of misinformation about us.

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And more than most, we're fed misinformation about us. I promised a post about the Ukraine, and I'll get to it later today. And as usual, it will be filled with links to provable events. You really need to learn history.

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Just imagine what they are hearing at times about us.

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I don't have to. I go to their English language news outlets and read it for myself. I and my hubby also work with foreign nationals from many nations, and are in contact with journalists the world over. I guess that makes me a cynic.

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My question to Signy is a sincere one, as it seems to me that Obama wants the best for this country, but some of his chosen methods on the surface seem rather reprehensible

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
STORY, MIKER, and CHRIS- please read the above post. That is my answer to your comments.

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If you think the president likes dropping bombs on people you are a fool.- MIKER
You seem to be getting awfully comfortable telling others how they think and feel...- STORY

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This one link puts a lot of things into focus. Stop thinking you are the only one who is aware.-MIKER

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If you think the president likes dropping bombs on people you are a fool.- MIKER

You seem to be getting awfully comfortable telling others how they think and feel...- STORY

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And what about MikeR? Doesn't anyone want to just talk about the issues instead of getting all personal? Apparently not!

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If you think the president likes dropping bombs on people you are a fool.- MIKER
You seem to be getting awfully comfortable telling others how they think and feel...- STORY

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This one link puts a lot of things into focus. Stop thinking you are the only one who is aware.-MIKER

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I'm aware of this fact. Do you have any specific responses to my post?

Yanno what? I'm sorry if I come off as a know-it-all, but... I DO talk about this in depth with a large number of very astute people, and I tend to go pretty far afield for my information. This isn't MY opinion or MY information that you're getting, this is the result of combined discussion over many months. I work at getting this information, so you may as well take advantage of it.

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And that's where "their" interests and "our" interests part ways. THEY would rather have our military bootprint all over the world... paid for by our taxes and manned by our children ... and risk WWIII, than give up any of their money.

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It isn't an "extreme view" to try to see and understand what's REALLY going on. Sometimes the reality is difficult and the discussion is uncomfortable. But understanding reality is never extreme. So, do you have any specific responses to my post? It represents the combined analyses of about a dozen people, all of whom are perceptive and who work in fields which bring them into contact with people across the globe. In my case, for example, my understanding of Syria was broken when I talked to a Syrian Xtian that I worked with, and found that his family in Syria was terrified of whoever might come after Assad. That Assad, being a minority, was actually rather protective of minorities in general (Xtians, Jews, Alawites, Druze). Such insights don't come every day.

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Individual stories tell and individual perspective.

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MIKER What I'm trying to say is that Obama is no longer the "lesser" of two evils. Bit of history: I voted for Clinton in 1992, despite Ross Perot's warning about NAFTA and the "giant sucking sound". Four years later, after seeing the damage that he did, I voted third party. But we can look back to Bill Clinton's terms as the beginnings of so much of the damage that was done to our economy- NAFTA, the Commodities Modernization Act, DMCA, the "reform" of welfare, entry of China into the WTO, and the repeal of Glass Steagal. Every single harm that we are CURRENTLY experiencing traces directly back to what Clinton did then.

After the Haitian earthquake, when Clinton was surveying the physical damage from the earthquake and the economic wipeout that Haitian farmers experienced from being swapmed with cheap subsidized Arkansas rice, he said that he thought that NAFTA was the most evil thing he'd ever done. Well, right now it would be hard to pick what the WORST thing was. I voted for Obama too. But after seeing how poorly he represented my interests (Including the clusterfuck he made of healthcare) I voted third party the second time around.

Every time I voted Democrat, I've been made to regret it. I've decided to vote third party. THAT can be done from now on.

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If a third party gets 5% of a vote, it will sway the stance of the other candidates because the two established parties now have to court those voters.

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STORY, MIKER, and CHRIS- please read the above post. That is my answer to your comments.

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Hey, you preach to us like we don't understand what the world is like. Follow this link or even just read it. Many besides yourself know what is out there, and yes even in our own back yard. The problem I have is that you only find fault and think you are the only one who understands. This link will bring you to an article by Forbes Magazine. You can from there if you like go to the researchers original site. This one link puts a lot of things into focus.

Stop thinking you are the only one who is aware.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2014/01/23/the-85-richest-people
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Hardly ever does it occur to the other person that they just might see things differently.

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STORY, MIKER, and CHRIS- please read the above post. That is my answer to your comments.

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Hey, you preach to us like we don't understand what the world is like. Follow this link or even just read it. Many besides yourself know what is out there, and yes even in our own back yard. The problem I have is that you only find fault and think you are the only one who understands. This link will bring you to an article by Forbes Magazine. You can from there if you like go to the researchers original site. This one link puts a lot of things into focus.



Stop thinking you are the only one who is aware.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2014/01/23/the-85-richest-people
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Just a sidebar here, but that's pretty much what I see happen here , when ever someone doesn't agree w/ another person's point of view. Belittle them, claim they don't understand, or have reading comprehension issues... Hardly ever does it occur to the other person that they just might see things differently.

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Dude watch Heaven Knows Mr. Allison.

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Another great movie they both starred in together was The Sundowners.

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How can you even stand to be here with us heathens?

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" Maybe bring the word to them as need it told. "

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