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Ooh ooh that smell
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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Your tax dollars at work, folks - and without even the pretense of authorizationm, thanks in large part to Obama not wanting to offend the fucking Neocons.

Frankly, whom they have chosen to support in this shows their true colors at last, I call em neo-feudo-FASCISTS for a reason, and it's not hyperbole, it's what they *are*, and have always been from the moment that punkass bitch Hamilton wanted to establish a new aristocracy with himself at the head of it, and party be damned, the real fight is over who gets to hold the leash, with no one but us Anarchists wanting to cut it.

That said, Oligarchy, whether it be here, or there, has but only one future, because no population is infinitely abuseable, and in the end the only legacy it ever leaves is one of misery and horror.

You think it's bad now ?
Just wait till them blackshirt motherfuckers figure out they'll be the first ones thrown under the bus and shipped off to the camps when the elite finally secure their power, cause they're too fucking stupid and gullible to leave laying around for someone else to wind up - then it's REALLY gonna get ugly, cause Russian blackshirt scum are maybe a little smarter than the red white and blue brand - Rappy and his ilk still haven't figured out or admitted what WILL happen to em the very instant they ever get what they *think* they want.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DayOfTheJackboot

-Frem

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SIGNYM is starting to go the way of Pirate News.

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WSJ radio said today the fire was started by pro Russian forces-Rappy.

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SIGNYM is starting to go the way of Pirate News.

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When PirateNews posted about something I didn't know about, I looked it up. And he actually posted about quite a few real things, like MKUltra, and pointed to a few other things (like the story about gay prostitute Jeff Gannon/Talon News, who got to do an "overnighter" at the Bush White House.) which still smell fishy even today, but have no good explanation.

The reason why I posted pictures, M52, is that they're undeniable. Unless you want to claim they were retouched. Are you? Claiming thet they're re-touched? If you're not claiming that they've been photoshopped, then what do you have to say about the story that they tell you? Oh, that's right- it might mean you'd have to change your mind about who the "the good guys" are in the fight. And THAT you would never do, no matter what the evidence. So much for rationality!

And, you want a bit of PN? How about THIS?

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WSJ radio said today the fire was started by pro Russian forces-Rappy.

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Once again, rappy jumps on the bandwagon of whatever hobby-horse he's riding this week.
RAPPY- Anybody can say it was started by anybody. Just like the news said that Russian forces were in Ukraine (retracted) and that Federalist Ukrainians were trying to registers Jews (false flag). Where is the evidence? Show me evidence, and I'll consider it.

KPO-
Don't you find it curious that when people were sniped in Kiev it was instantly laid at the feet of Yanukovych by the western press, but now that Yanukovich isn't there to catch the blame, the press is suddenly clueless about where to land it?

JONGSSTRAW has finally revealed itself as the sociopath I always thought. At least a bit of honesty, without the tedious rationalizations.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Siggy - I jumped on no band wagon. I simply passed along info which I I heard 1st hand, as it was reported by the wsj radio show this morning.

I've made NO claim beyond what I've heard. Take it as you like.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

KPO-
Don't you find it curious that when people were sniped in Kiev it was instantly laid at the feet of Yanukovych by the western press, but now that Yanukovich isn't there to catch the blame, the press is suddenly clueless about where to land it?

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KPO-
Don't you find it curious that when people were sniped in Kiev it was instantly laid at the feet of Yanukovych by the western press, but now that Yanukovich isn't there to catch the blame, the press is suddenly clueless about where to land it?

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I do not understand anyones attraction to this thread. let it die. It is sick and revolting.

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like Sniggy

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This fire was a very sad and tragic incident, and I hope the full truth comes out, and the people to blame on both sides are punished for their actions

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But at the end of the day this was two violent mobs facing off, leading to a situation escalating in an unforeseen, unplanned way.

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It's not equivalent to a government ordering its security services to shoot protesters using SNIPERS, which is almost certainly what happened in Kiev.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
M52, what happened to your "reasonableness"?

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Hey Sniggy, make me some ham n eggs.

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It is still here. You seem to have taken a side in this and are unable to move from it. Don't you get that you are posting a pro-Russian naritive from pro-Russian websites? Does that seem a litte off to you?

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It is still here. You seem to have taken a side in this and are unable to move from it. Don't you get that you are posting a pro-Russian naritive from pro-Russian websites? Does that seem a litte off to you?

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Don't you get that I posted actual pictures which tell a real story, and that the person who's taken a side is you? You've been denying evidence which is right in front of your face, while believing (for example) the pro-Kiev narrative that Yanukovych was responsible for the sniping deaths... for which there is no evidence at all. (And to demonstrate how weak that story is, even Kiev is backing away from it.)

The truth is where you find it. Sometimes it's on Al Jazeera, sometimes its on zerohdege, sometimes it's in the western mainstream press, and sometimes it's on RT. By rejecting significant data because of WHERE it comes from, you're really limiting yourself to seeing (and taking) one side, one viewpoint. That's not being reasonable or objective.

You should be applying the same standards of proof, the same standards of morality, no matter who or which "side" you're looking at. That's what rappy consistently fails to do... it's his side, no matter WHICH way the facts point. Correct? So, don't you want to be doing the objective thing, and not the rappy-thing?

When did it become acceptable to riff on burning bodies and horrific deaths, but unacceptable to bring it to attention?

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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
You talk about the truth as if the things you post are without a doubt that. You trust RT which is a pro Russian outlet but will not believe other outlets that do not have such clear ties. Sorry, you are not looking for the truth you are looking for things that support what you want to be the truth.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Truth is where you find it... Including FOX news?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What I find so curious is that nobody is except you, me, Frem, and Chris are saying that Jongsstraw is a sick fuck.

KPO, what about you? Your irony and detached cynicism desert you?

M52, what happened to your "reasonableness"?

Yanno, when did it become acceptable to riff on burning bodies and horrific deaths, but unacceptable to bring it to attention?

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You assume that there were people on "both sides" to blame.

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What I find so curious is that nobody is except you, me, Frem, and Chris are saying that Jongsstraw is a sick fuck.

KPO, what about you? Your irony and detached cynicism desert you?

M52, what happened to your "reasonableness"?

Yanno, when did it become acceptable to riff on burning bodies and horrific deaths, but unacceptable to bring it to attention?

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Her full quote was:

"Ooh ooh that smell
Can't you smell that smell
The smell that's around you?


It's a smell they've proven throughout their history to be able to get used to pretty quickly."

It's pretty dark, but I read it as a criticism of the Ukrainian nation/people, referencing the pro-Nazi atrocities committed there. She's said other anti-Ukrainian remarks previously. I was going to ask her about it.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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What I find so curious is that nobody is except you, me, Frem, and Chris are saying that Jongsstraw is a sick fuck.

KPO, what about you? Your irony and detached cynicism desert you?

M52, what happened to your "reasonableness"?

Yanno, when did it become acceptable to riff on burning bodies and horrific deaths, but unacceptable to bring it to attention?

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Her full quote was:

"Ooh ooh that smell
Can't you smell that smell
The smell that's around you?


It's a smell they've proven throughout their history to be able to get used to pretty quickly."

It's pretty dark, but I read it as a criticism of the Ukrainian nation/people, referencing the pro-Nazi atrocities committed there. She's said other anti-Ukrainian remarks previously. I was going to ask her about it.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Bubble-headed, know-nothing libtards never heard of Lynyrd Skynyrd's classic song "That Smell". Pathetic.

Now focus real hard on the chorus:

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I love the humor and wit behind your use of the Julie Andrews song,

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kpo
this was two violent mobs facing off

Kiki
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Except one was security forces sent by Kiev...

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Just so we're all clear here, if you're a county is being invaded, by a vastly superior military, and said country ( or what's left of it ) was told to basically give up its military, and the EU will protect you, is it suppose to surprise anyone that some who don't wish to see the rest of said country taken over might use violent means to confront and repel an actual invading force?.

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"And the other was sent by the other side."

Well Kiev sent 'security' forces into this - admittedly and officially. I think it's a proven fact at this point.

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Who were the snipers that shot and killed the so-called "Heavenly Hundred" on Kyiv's Independence Square, known as Maidan, on February 20? An investigation by Germany's leading broadcaster ARD TV lends weight to the allegations that some section of the Ukrainian opposition was involved...

Fresh doubts surfaced on April 10 when ARD (the BBC of Germany) on its primetime policy special programme "Monitor", produced by the ARD subsidiary station WDR-magazin, aired an in-depth investigation into the shootings, under the title, "Deathshot in Kyiv: who is to blame for the Maidan bloodbath?" The questions raised in their investigation directly contradict the Maidan government's version of events.

... The German team from ARD interviewed a senior member of the investigation team who told Monitor: "My findings disagree with the official position of the [Ukrainian] government and the Prosecutor General."

Monitor went on to play a tapped phone communications among Berkut officers on February 20 just after the shooting started on Maidan that was supplied by a Ukrainian amateur radio expert. The recording suggests the Berkut were taken by surprise when the shooing started. One Berkut officer is heard asking his colleagues: "Who fired there? Our people do not fire on unarmed people." Another says a bit later: "He was shot by someone, but not by us... are there more snipers? And who are they?"

While there is plentiful video footage on YouTube showing snipers in uniform firing on protestors as well as protestors hiding behind wooden shields being gunned down by police automatic weapon's fire, there is also footage that appears to show protestors being killed by shots fired from the Hotel Ukraina, which sits atop the hill at the back of the square and was fully controlled by the opposition on that day.


... one video that shows a person killed by sniper fire who was standing on the terrace that is across the road from the hotel (clearly visible in almost all the footage) and overlooks Maidan; the direction of the shot seems to come from the hotel, while the government forces were at the bottom of the hill with no clear line of fire onto the terrace. When confronted with the claims of shots from the Hotel Ukraina, new Prosecutor General Oleg Machnitzki only told Monitor: "We are investigating this."

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So no evidence that the violence against the pro-Russians was committed by Kiev's security forces?

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Just so we're all clear here, if you're a county is being invaded, by a vastly superior military, and said country ( or what's left of it ) was told to basically give up its military, and the EU will protect you, is it suppose to surprise anyone that some who don't wish to see the rest of said country taken over might use violent means to confront and repel an actual invading force?.

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Obama’s change of mind had its origins at Porton Down, the defence laboratory in Wiltshire. British intelligence had obtained a sample of the sarin used in the 21 August attack and analysis demonstrated that the gas used didn’t match the batches known to exist in the Syrian army’s chemical weapons arsenal. The message that the case against Syria wouldn’t hold up was quickly relayed to the US joint chiefs of staff...

Last May, more than ten members of the al-Nusra Front were arrested in southern Turkey with what local police told the press were two kilograms of sarin. In a 130-page indictment the group was accused of attempting to purchase fuses, piping for the construction of mortars, and chemical precursors for sarin. Five of those arrested were freed after a brief detention. The others, including the ringleader, Haytham Qassab, for whom the prosecutor requested a prison sentence of 25 years, were released pending trial....

The American decision to end CIA support of the weapons shipments [FROM LIBYA-Signy] into Syria left Erdogan exposed politically and militarily. ‘One of the issues at that May summit was the fact that Turkey is the only avenue to supply the rebels in Syria,’ the former intelligence official said... the[re was] acute anxiety’ of the Erdogan administration about the rebels’ dwindling prospects. The analysis warned that the Turkish leadership had expressed ‘the need to do something that would precipitate a US military response’.

As intercepts and other data related to the 21 August attacks were gathered, the intelligence community saw evidence to support its suspicions. ‘We now know it was a covert action planned by Erdogan’s people to push Obama over the red line,’ the former intelligence official said. ‘They had to escalate to a gas attack in or near Damascus when the UN inspectors’ – who arrived in Damascus on 18 August to investigate the earlier use of gas – ‘were there. The deal was to do something spectacular

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