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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I've PMed back and forth with Signy.

It's not the right wing here that's the problem.

It's the liberals who are as firmly entrenched in their own propaganda as jongsy and rappy are in theirs. After having repeatedly brought to people's attention over the years that the stories they like to believe aren't true, the Ukraine topic was just the last straw.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, do you dispute the many minutes of video signy posted?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
hate to disappoint you Jongssie, but this is not farewell. I will continue to bring facts and links to the board, but I'm sure not going to argue about them, so you'll see a lot less of me.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
And shooting at them. Can't forget that. Just a smattering of your posts. Rather than check out the FACTS, you chose to defend your preferred propaganda and attack Signy and the sources. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=57980 And you turned out to be wrong.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
hate to disappoint you Jongssie, but this is not farewell. I will continue to bring facts and links to the board, but I'm sure not going to argue about them, so you'll see a lot less of me.

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Well just dayum.

" Thanks for all the fish " is suppose to imply that you're LEAVING.

Even I know that !

Saying you're NOT leaving, and simply 'thanks for the fish'... you're doing it all wrong !

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno how the parent says I'm not angry, I'm disappointed?

Well, that's not me. I'm both disappointed AND angry.

I don't expect to be believed. In fact, I would be rather disturbed if you all just took my word for events that I post about.

However, I would hope that you liberals would give me enough credit to at least look things up for yourselves. What I've discovered from your recent behavior, however, is that instead of looking at the evidence as it stands you seem to think that if you can argue with ME you'll somehow make the facts "go away". There is hardly a smidgen of objectivity or intellectual honesty to share amongst yourselves.

I'm not your intellectual errand-boy, to be finding facts and information that you're either too lazy or too propagandized to look up for yourselves. I'm not your political whipping-boy either. If you want to keep an eye on events, you have to put in SOME effort yourselves. Don't expect to stay undisturbed in your comfy-cozy cocoon and still be able to perceive truth, because yanno what? The truth is sometimes hard, and it often runs counter to the narrative that we like to tell ourselves. So bird-dog the truth yourselves, or stay uninformed; it's on you-

not me.

If you think this is a giant FU, you're right. If you think it's undeserved, you're wrong.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Right, but in her original hissy rant she ...

1) Says 'fuck you' to her LIBERAL friends.

2) Tells her LIBERAL friends they're all lazy idiots with no "intellectual honesty".

3) States that she is the ONLY ONE who knows the facts, and she is the ONLY ONE who can be right about everything.


Maybe now some of those same LIBERAL friends will finally see what a delusional egomaniac she is by her own words....

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

The worst part ? I never got to choose side before she went all ookie-balookie.



Still, fun to watch.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno how the parent says I'm not angry, I'm disappointed?

Well, that's not me. I'm both disappointed AND angry.

I don't expect to be believed. In fact, I would be rather disturbed if you all just took my word for events that I post about.

However, I would hope that you liberals would give me enough credit to at least look things up for yourselves. What I've discovered from your recent behavior, however, is that instead of looking at the evidence as it stands you seem to think that if you can argue with ME you'll somehow make the facts "go away". There is hardly a smidgen of objectivity or intellectual honesty to share amongst yourselves.

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If you think this is a giant FU, you're right. If you think it's undeserved, you're wrong.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
hate to disappoint you Jongssie, but this is not farewell.

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I will continue to bring facts and links to the board, but I'm sure not going to argue about them, so you'll see a lot less of me.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
It's not the right wing here that's the problem.

It's the liberals who are as firmly entrenched in their own propaganda as jongsy and rappy are in theirs. After having repeatedly brought to people's attention over the years that the stories they like to believe aren't true, the Ukraine topic was just the last straw.

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When shown actual photos that did prove that the narrative they were so heavily invested in was flat out wrong (ie ANYthing anti-Russian) did they investigate? Check out various sources? Sift out facts? No. They said the photos were too obscure to interpret. Shrugged them off. Said she was mentally unbalanced. Called her PN.

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:

One more before I move on: you really ought to not take the internet so seriously. We're the U.N. here. We make no policies.

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
I think her new personality is gung-ho to hate on every American policy

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"After having repeatedly brought to people's attention over the years that the stories they like to believe aren't true" // "always a good way to improve communication: make broad sweeping statements of blame and labeling"

signy provided a list, checkmark whichever applies

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"Oooooh. "actual" photos! That must be absolute proof that everything Sig says absolutely must be true!!! /sheesh"

Not what I posted.

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"everything else you're saying seems aimed at me"

Not even close. There's a whole list of posters who claim to be liberal, or at least fact-oriented and reasonable - who didn't seem to want to be bothered with checking out the facts, or even discussing what might be factual before they dismissed it all as crazy-russian-biased-abnormal-pn stuff, and of course there are the ones who claim to be fact-based who stayed away in droves and couldn't be bothered at all. I'm sorry if you feel singled out. I didn't have you specifically in mind.

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"I think her new personality is gung-ho to hate on every American policy ..."

Well, there's an extended list both domestic and foreign to hate. Indefinite detention? 24/7 spying on the US? Kettling Occupy? Prosecuting whistle-blowers? Drone murders? Backing the Egyptian army? Trying to arrange a UN or at least NATO attack on Syria through bogus chemical attack claims? Do any of these strike a chord?

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"Jumping blindly onto any other side ..."

Not what Signy did. But if multiple posts from different sources showing you the narrative you got in the western news with your breakfast was all slanted one way didn't convince you there is a WRONG side here - what would it take?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
I think her new personality is gung-ho to hate on every American policy

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My car needs a new nose panel, the one it has is missing a piece on the right side (a true "what was that?" moment), the gas tank needs a new band, the cockpit fan is busted, the handle on the window-roll-up thing keeps fallin' off...
Hey, I LOVE my car, but that don't stop me from realizin' all what dearly needs to be fixed on her.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Okay, after reading all this, I can't resist popping in to ask a question. I'm not about to read what I've kind of guessed is the thread that started Sig going off the rails, but since Sig started this thread, and did so as a way to say FU to people here, I'm not going to start a new thread to ask my question, I'll do it here.

My question is this: When the map stuff came up, about Rap being in Georgia, etc., I played with the FFF "Browncoat Map" for a bit. Found it fascinating; most people were exactly where I'd made note they said they were. The one that had me saying "huh", and I asked about it at the time, was Sig and Kiki. I never got an answer, from them or anyone else.

If you go to the "Browncoats Map" on FFF, and look in the Los Angeles area, you see this:



If you click on that "12", you get a close-up view. Putting the cursor over each flag brings up a name. Here are the two which fascinated me:





Now, in the past Kiki has written that she lives in "San Dimas", which is North of the L.A. area, and Sig wrote she lived "near Long Beach". Neither of those places is near what is shown on the map. And there's TWELVE supposed "Browncoats" in that one "block" on the map. The other names are

VEEJER
YT
TONYP
IANR
MOJAVE
CAPTAINHAMMER
ANOTHERCOATOFBROWN
DRAGONWINE
PLATONIST

So I've found myself wondering; do we have a whole bunch of sockpuppets at work here, or what? Certainly, as I wrote at the time, where I'm flagged on that map is close to where I live, but about three miles East, so it's not absolutely accurate for me (others might check and see how close it is for them). Everyone I looked up at the time was at least in the same CITY as they'd previously written they were.

But twelve Browncoats in one block, and Sig and Kiki being flagged right next to one another and quite a ways away from where they claim they live? While Long Beach isn't that far from where they're flagged in L.A. (and NewOldBrowcoat is right there in Long Beach, as he's always said, by the way), San Dimas is quite a ways North of the L.A. area…

All this is, of course, totally unimportant. But Sig going off the rails in this thread, as it certainly seems she has, and Kiki being so intent on defending her, made me think back to all this. So, having nothing better to do for a few minutes, never having forgotten my curiosity about finding this before, and given the content of this thread, I just thought I'd toss it out there in case anyone else is interested.

Oh, and I didn't miss Kiki's "and of course there are the ones who claim to be fact-based who stayed away in droves and couldn't be bothered at all". Dunno if that's aimed at me or not, but I found it interesting when I compared it to--I may be wrong, but I BELIEVE Signy--railing on me for "refusing" to answer a question from her at least twice, which questions happened to be in threads I'd never even read. To both I say, just once, that the day I feel COMPELLED to read and respond to any specific thread on FFF is the day I truly DO throw in the towel! I read what looks interesting to me, and don't even respond to most of that…anyone who takes this place that seriously, well, has serious problems.

…and I'm off to more interesting, worthwhile pursuits… Enjoy.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
OK - I was trying to be a little literary with "with your breakfast" - it wasn't meant to be literal. It implied the morning newspaper people used to read as they ate breakfast in a bygone era - which hardly anyone gets anymore, am radio-alarm, evening tv news ... the www for all you younger folk - the general stream of commonly available media people access to to feel informed.

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Where did I say she was right about everything and everyone else was wrong (about everything)?

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Originally posted by Niki2:
My question is this: When the map stuff came up, about Rap being in Georgia, etc., I played with the FFF "Browncoat Map" for a bit. Found it fascinating; most people were exactly where I'd made note they said they were. The one that had me saying "huh", and I asked about it at the time, was Sig and Kiki. I never got an answer, from them or anyone else.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
The narrative:

the pro-Russians started shooting
the pro-Kiev moved in and forced them into a building
the pro-Russians threw Molotov cocktails and set the building on fire
the pro-Russians died in the fire or when jumping to escape the flames

Now, there are pictures I didn't explicitly discuss - I know my eyes are bad and my visual processing is faulty, but I assume that if I'm having difficulty trying to figure out a photo, then everyone else is too. But there are photos that OBVIOUSLY don't fit the narrative. The men with blood pools under their heads. The woman bent backwards over a desk with no trace of fire. The woman who was raped. The many videos add convincing evidence - the narrative provided by western news was false.

BTW - if we both have the time and interest, maybe we could go back to that thread (probably where this belongs) and look at the responses.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
MAL4, you make such a big fucking deal about RT.

WHY?

I make a point of posting from almost ANY OTHER site than RT (zerohedge most notably) and yet... there you are, being all bothered by ... what?

So, are you anti-Russian? Youbetcha! You're one of those people who THINKS they're being reasonable, but you have big blinders on, just as big as rappy's only differently shaped.

You're right, we're not the UN here, but you are a citizen- right? You vote? You make you opinion known in other ways to your Congresspeople and President? Do you really think it doesn't matter, that you are somehow absolved of evil if you go along with yet another evil plan by the USA? After Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria, have you learned nothing about the real policies of the USA, or have any concern for the millions of lives that we've ruined and the hundreds of thousands of people that we killed? Or would this, just, yanno, ruin your enjoyment of a baseball game?

I used to think you were a halfway decent person.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
It's a spell. An anger spell by an anger demon...

Seriously, I've had better times at the dentist. Or enduring Rappy's nonsense.

Can I suggest cooling down a bit, or is this the wrong crowd?

-Washisall

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You're right, we're not the UN here, but you are a citizen- right? You vote? You make you opinion known in other ways to your Congresspeople and President?

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Or would this, just, yanno, ruin your enjoyment of a baseball game?

I used to think you were a halfway decent person.

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Still, sorry for making you unhappy Chris. You are the Willow or Kaylee of RWED: the pure soul. Ummm... except when you said something unacceptable to Rap...

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Sadly, Chris, I don't think suggesting cooling down will have any effect...

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I'm also listed as living in a tree with 3 other posters that I know nothing about.

I don't think ikiki is signy's sockpuppet. I mean why would they bother?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Depressed now.

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Rap makes me Mal fighting the war again. Sometimes. Or Dark Willow.

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