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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Obama = Drones (bad for innocent civilians & our world rep).
Obama = TPP (bad for the U.S. economy).
Obama = Keystone (bad for the waterways & lands of America).
Obama = Hypocrite (climate change very bad! But no substantive massive push on solar or wind tech, eh?)

There's plenty to work with without spamming every little bit of nonsense.
I mean, if he gets a blowjob in the White House or uses the phrase "Go ahead, make my day!" on TV should we really forget about & be distracted from what ACTUALLY affects the lives of thousands & millions?

Just a thought.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Obama = Drones (bad for innocent civilians & our world rep).
Obama = TPP (bad for the U.S. economy).

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Drones, good or bad is all in how they are used.

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TPP, is still being discussed and would still need to be passed by congess.

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Keystone, not yet passed if it will be at all.

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Climate Change, Obama has been talking about it and pushing, however he does not control the purse strings.

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Is there anyone pushing for this beside, say, Monsanto?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If he can destroy Libya, funnel arms and intel to jihadists in Syria, and bail out banks to the tune of $3-17 Trillion dollars, why can't he handle climate change?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Obama = Drones (bad for innocent civilians & our world rep).
Obama = TPP (bad for the U.S. economy).
Obama = Keystone (bad for the waterways & lands of America).
Obama = Hypocrite (climate change very bad! But no substantive massive push on solar or wind tech, eh?)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Is there anyone pushing for this beside, say, Monsanto?

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Obama. Because, since we don't manufacture anything anymore, the only two thing we can extort money from are (1) our loans and (2) ideas. So you can add - software companies, and tech companies like Apple (all production is in China), the entertainment industry, big pharma, biotech including Syngenta and the other big GMO companies.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Jongs, we all know you love Obama, but do you need to demonstrate it ALL THE TIME? Don't defend that jerk.

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
TPP is barely a blip on the radar, but I can imagine it's about as popular.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

KEYSTONE - The oil is coming one way or another. If you don't want a pipeline, then you can wave to the oil as it passes by in railway tank cars.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And a President sitting in the WH with a "kill list" that includes American citizens... clearly, an optimal use! (If drones weren't being used in such a fashion, it wouldn't have come up at all) And we are hated everywhere in the world, BTW.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Except that Obama has been pushing for "fast track" to avoid Congressional debate. So, we can put Obama in the corner of fighting the bad fight. Also, have you heard of TTIP? Same thing, Atlantic version. Obama is trying to do the same thing. If it wasn't for Congress, we'd be subject to these by now.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Doesn't require passage, it only requires evaluation by the State Department (not the EPA. Thanks Hillary!) and a signature.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If he can destroy Libya, funnel arms and intel to jihadists in Syria, and bail out banks to the tune of $3-17 Trillion dollars, why can't he handle climate change?

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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And a President sitting in the WH with a "kill list" that includes American citizens... clearly, an optimal use! (If drones weren't being used in such a fashion, it wouldn't have come up at all) And we are hated everywhere in the world, BTW.

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Everywere? Including the countries that like us using those drones to kill insurgent groups in their countries?

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And a President sitting in the WH with a "kill list" that includes American citizens... clearly, an optimal use! (If drones weren't being used in such a fashion, it wouldn't have come up at all) And we are hated everywhere in the world, BTW. -SIGNY

Everywere? Including the countries that like us using those drones to kill insurgent groups in their countries? -M52

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Except that Obama has been pushing for "fast track" to avoid Congressional debate. So, we can put Obama in the corner of fighting the bad fight. Also, have you heard of TTIP? Same thing, Atlantic version. Obama is trying to do the same thing. If it wasn't for Congress, we'd be subject to these by now. -SIGNY

One you should know that every free trade agreement that has been does has been done through the fast track. Second the fact track is requires both the House and Senate to pass the agreement, only they are not allowed to make changes. -M52

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Requiring approval from the the State Department has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton. Regardless if the pipline is approved or not the tar sands are going to be developed and the oil is going to move through the US. If not by pipeline by rail.

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If he can destroy Libya, funnel arms and intel to jihadists in Syria, and bail out banks to the tune of $3-17 Trillion dollars, why can't he handle climate change?- SIGNY

The US did not destroy Libya. We are arming rebals in Syria, and did bail out he banks to keep the economy form dying.

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Pentagon officials say the US and the UK have fired more than 110 missiles, while French planes struck pro-Gaddafi forces attacking rebel-held Benghazi.

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and did bail out he banks to keep the economy form dying.

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Climate change, the President need congress to move on any thing substantial. Who controls the House again?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I second what AR said. People hate us for using drones. Absolutely hate us. By international poll, more people in the world (by a large percentage) think of AMERICA as the largest threat to peace and stability.

Also, it absolutely violates the Constitution when Obama uses drones on American citizens (which he did, bypassing all those amendments requiring formal charges and a trial by a jury of your peers. Or as GWB said The Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper. Right, M52?) and skirts the sole authority of Congress to declare war.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yes, but WHY is Obama pushing for free trade agreements that will hurt Americans? Just because it was done in the past doesn't mean that it's good for us, or that this particular political tactic is honest. And, again- WHY is Obama pushing for free trade pacts that will just hurt us average people? He's choosing this tactic because he knows free trade agreements are wildly unpopular, and yet he's intent on shoving this down our collective throats?

Yanno, Bill Clinton did the same thing with NAFTA, and it turned out just as awful as everyone said it would be: 700,000 jobs lost, and people impoverished on both side of the border. I didn't forgive Clinton for being an ass and a quisling then, and I don't forgive Obama now.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The whole process merely shows how corrupt our government is, because the State Department doesn't have the technical expertise to evaluate EITHER the economic OR the environmental impacts of pipeline development. The EPA is the technical expert on environmental affairs. I don't think there is a cabinet-level equivalent for economic policy (but there should be) but maybe the CBO could weigh in.

In any case, Canadians are planning to ship their oil west to the Pacific coast, which is where it would have wound up anyway, because the endpoint of the pipeline (the Houston area) would simply refine it and ship it abroad.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Again, please check your facts before posting. Obama did much more than supply arms to jihadists in Libya, he had Libya BOMBED. Okay? The USA was part of a multi-force (USA, UK, France) military strike which destroyed large parts of Libya under the guise of enforcing a no-fly zone.

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Pentagon officials say the US and the UK have fired more than 110 missiles, while French planes struck pro-Gaddafi forces attacking rebel-held Benghazi.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12796972

And Obama was going to do the same to Syria. If it hadn't been for that rather impressive fleet of Russian warships and aircraft-carrier destroyers off the coast of Syria, we would have gone whole-hog into bombing Syria too. In fact, I'm reasonably certain that it was that Russian fleet in the eastern Mediterranean (coming from the Sevastopol naval base) that put Ukraine back on the front burner.

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Despite 80% of the people being against it, and the House voting against it. Not much democracy going on over in Washington. American is truly an oligarchy! The rich always get their way, the average person... not so much!

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And yet, the banks were bailed out without Congress and without popular support. Not much democracy going on in the WH! (Oh, and shall I bring up universal warrantless wiretapping?)

M52, I know you're a nice guy. Your heart's in the right place. But you keep looking for reasons to forgive the unforgivable. Presidents as far back as JFK- which is as far back as I can remember- routinely stab Americans in the back; it doesn't seem to matter whether they were Democrats or Republicans. But it seems to have gotten much worse lately, including Obama's two terms.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Oh yeah, I am reallll sure that TPP/Keystone pipeline idea is very popular today....

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/50000-gallons-oil-spills-los-angele
s-street-23727175
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/15/los-angeles-oil-s
pill/9114619/

Or perhaps not, hmm ?


-F

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The US did not destroy Libya.

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[Libya] has had a high standard of living and a robust per capita daily caloric intake of 3144. The country has made strides in public health and, since 1980, child mortality rates have dropped from 70 per thousand live births to 19 in 2009. Life expectancy has risen from 61 to 74 years of age during the same span of years...

Public Health Care in Libya prior to NATO’s “Humanitarian Intervention” was the best in Africa. “Health care is [was] available to all citizens free of charge by the public sector. The country boasts the highest literacy and educational enrolment rates in North Africa. The Government is [was] substantially increasing the development budget for health services…. (WHO Libya Country Brief )

Confirmed by the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), undernourishment was less than 5 %, with a daily per capita calorie intake of 3144 calories. (FAO caloric intake figures indicate availability rather than consumption). The Libyan Arab Jamahiriya provided to its citizens what is denied to many Americans: Free public health care, free education, as confirmed by WHO and UNESCO data.

According to the World Health Organization (WHO): Life expectancy at birth was 72.3 years (2009), among the highest in the developing World.

Under 5 mortality rate per 1000 live births declined from 71 in 1991 to 14 in 2009
( http://www.who.int/countryfocus/cooperation_strategy/ccsbrief_lby_en.p
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The pupil teacher ratio in Libya’s primary schools was of the order of 17 (1983 UNESCO data), 74% of school children graduating from primary school were enrolled in secondary school (1983 UNESCO data).

“In a relative short period of time, Libya achieved universal access for primary education, with 98% gross enrollment for secondary, and 46% for tertiary education. In the past decade, girls’ enrollment increased by 12% in all levels of education. In secondary and tertiary education, girls outnumbered boys by 10%.” (World Bank Libya Country Brief)

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