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Boy has your argument changed form something tangible to something out of desperation.

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many have the opinion I do about Nixon.

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It is my facts that hold up. You can not change the definition of a word like pardon to suit you needs.

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Now your post is a good example of OCD. Thanks for making my point about that valid.

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Not at all, your just out of your league and you don't get it.

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Sorry, Chris, but I don't think Rappy really deserves this.

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Not at all, your just out of your league and you don't get it.

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What don't I get Ric, that you're an idiot? I played this game too, and like Inara said, you can't play a player.
..unless you kiss me...
BUT THAT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN ONLINE!!! Hahahahahaha!

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Playing the Inara card? You really are a cruel bastard!

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Forgive me for not folding under the pressure of being come at by those of you who

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Forgive me for not folding under the pressure of being come at by those of you who live on these threads like a wolf pack. Every thread, every day. Sad for you.

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You're forgiven. ... Truly, I'd hate to see you leave.

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You're forgiven. ... Truly, I'd hate to see you leave.

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Your sarcasm is delicious, dude.;)

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House Judiciary Committee can't impeach.
The House of Representatives didn't make haste to approve the Articles.
The House of Representatives can't impeach someone who is no longer a
federal employee, i.e., the EX-president.
Had Nixon not resigned, his impeachment was a near certainty.
O -- the Devil is in the Details.
Why do a lot of Olders call him "Tricky Dick"?


... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

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or the person I am debating with hates America.

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Not at all, your just out of your league and you don't get it.

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it tickles me how some of you use what I post to attack him also. Every thread, every day. And as for you Jongsstraw almost all comments posted by you a little more that insulting and demeaning to whom ever you are replying to. Don't believe me go back and read your own words. Your are a very sad individual.

As for you others it is time to get back to the stroke fest. Tell each other how much you love each other and how wonderful you each are. So, so , sad.

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That's because you see ghosts.

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It's not bull if it is accurate, which it is.

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^ Maybe not.

"The House Judiciary Committee usually sends the greatest number of
substantive bills to the House Floor each year."

One of the things the HJC does is, it composes & proposes New Laws.
When they create a new bill and send it to the House for discussion &
ratification, it says much the same as it will when it's voted in or voted
down. A bill is a proposed law with no power to enforce anything.

The HJC wrote in present tense, "RESOLVED, That Richard M. Nixon,
President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and
misdemeanours ..." It wasn't a Law when it went to the floor on July
30th. It wasn't a law even on 9 Aug 1974, when Nixon resigned. ...
It was a suggestion.

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He plead guilty to the charges because they were going forward with the impeachment.

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He plead guilty to the charges because they were going forward with the impeachment. You do not get to plead guilty and then suggest it never happened.

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No one said it didn't happen. At least 2 of his staff went to prison.

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So is it safe to say we can put this to bed JSF, you seem to have lost all your supporters?

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Jeeeesh .... what a bunch of dumb-ass buffoons!

There's all this mental masterbation here, and then there are historical facts.

It's simple research ... ONLY 2 U.S. Presidents have ever been impeached. They are Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. In BOTH cases the U.S. Senate acquitted them after a trial of the charges. Johnson was saved from removal by only one vote.

Nixon was never impeached, and he never plead guilty to anything. He resigned instead. He was later pardoned by Ford as protection against any future charges for crimes he may have committed.

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Jeeeesh .... what a bunch of dumb-ass buffoons!

There's all this mental masterbation here, and then there are historical facts.

It's simple research ... ONLY 2 U.S. Presidents have ever been impeached. They are Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. In BOTH cases the U.S. Senate acquitted them after a trial of the charges. Johnson was saved from removal by only one vote.

Nixon was never impeached, and he never plead guilty to anything. He resigned instead. He was later pardoned by Ford as protection against any future charges for crimes he may have committed.

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He was being impeached and plead guilty, what is it you don't get. I don't care what Wikipedia says or answers dot com. In school our professors do not want us to use those sites for research because they are in many cases not accurate. The impeachment process and charges against him ended with his guilty plea and not before. You can not be pardoned for the not committing a crime or not having been found guilty of said crime.

You are saying he was pardoned for something he had not been found guilty of by the courts or by his own admittance. Not possible:)

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A pre-emptive pardon?

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You guys made me read too much!!!

Nixon resigned rather than face impeachment proceedings. Ford pardoned him from prosecution for any illegal activities HE MAY HAVE PERFORMED OR BEEN PARTY TO.

Bottom line: no he was not impeached.

No crow for me!

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Nixon new by accepting the pardon he was admitting guilt. He accepted the charges in the Article of Impeachment without exception. I don't care if he was in China a freeman when he did so. By accepting guilt he completed the Impeachment process. First the Articles of Impeachment were drawn up. They were voted on to proceed. When he accepted the pardon he jumped that process to its end. The final outcome, his guilt.

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Thanks, Jongs!

I don't understand the part about bein' pardoned for crimes not yet held against him.
And I'm not willing to dig for it.

But if I do think back, that Prom was a very long dance. A lotta people doin'
a lot of steps, most of them behind the curtain.

Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
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Right and all those dances revolved around the fact that Nixon would be accepting guilt if the pardon was to be issued. The democrats insisted that he did and made sure to suggest that in the press. No guilt, no pardon. Can't be done.

Merriam Webster, "Pardon; an act of officially saying that someone who was judged to be guilty of a crime will be allowed to go free and will not be punished".

"Who was judged to be guilty of a crime"....."Who was judged to be guilty of a crime".

Guilty of what, all the charges in the Articles of Impeachment. Even Gerald Ford can't change the definition in the dictionary and deem a pardon something it is not. A pardon by its very nature is given to show forgiveness for a crime. In other words, you have to admit a crime has taken place to offer it and in Nixon's case admitting to a crime in accepting it.

Honesty is the first chapter of the book of wisdom.
Thomas Jefferson

I see you gave up on just wanting a cookie.

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I'm again sensing the presence of a sock puppet.... but it can't be...
can it?

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I'm sorry MIKER, but this is a classic AURaptor line. Don't sound like him if you don't want to be associated with him.
The fact is that Nixon was pardoned of crimes NOT YET PROVEN. I don't give a toss about what a pardon legally consists of, the law was BENT a little there. Happens all the time. Deal with it. He wasn't impeached, and going on like this in the face of the facts makes it seem like you are just Rappy tryin' to sound like a negatively-charged, anti-matter version of himself out to test the waters of politically fueled debate from the other side.
I was fully prepared to believe I was in error, as you plainly saw.
You need to consider yourself possibly capable of error too.

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Whoa!
The breezy logic swaying in the wind accidentally ventures into real facts.
I haven't read to the end of the thread yet, so how many posts before this one sways back to being convinced the lies are truths?

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