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You know, acknowledging your alcoholism with a winky smile doesn't make it any less of an problem, nor the misogynist bullshit you post any less pathetic.

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Well, that should help him drink less *facepalm....

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Uhhhh. And you people wonder why I'm not a fan of humanity. It can't keep it's hands to itself like they tell you in kiddygarten, and it has no consideration for people who aren't operating with a full manual.

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I guess I understand him because if I hadn't a family, I probably would BE him. I think a lot of it is he's lonely, and doesn't understand why.

Now, I'm done talking about him, 'cause it's not gonna help talking to you about it because you are being a dick.

If he were to hurt himself you would be just as guilty as the twits that bully teenage girls that hurt themselves. I'm all for putting people strait that come here pretending to be intellectuals with manipulation being the goal, but if you can't tell Six is just a little lost YOU'RE AN IDIOT.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
http://gothamist.com/2014/06/05/music_fest_sexual_assault.php



The above photo was snapped a few weeks ago at Mysteryland, a Woodstock-based affair in which neon-clad EDM heads sway to various strains of house music for a whole buzz-filled weekend. But amid lighthearted photos of friends lying on the lawn and posing with a giant stuffed bear, this photo gave us pause. Had we captured a sexual assault?

Our photographer provided us with some context:

The previous photos show how some women climbed on to the speaker and were dancing, which was fine until a bunch of people started jumping the barricade and dancing in front of the stage, which was still kind of fine until it got too crowded so they ejected everyone. In the process of ushering everyone out, one dude from the audience took the opportunity to spank this woman a couple times, which was followed by a different guy just up and grabbing her. She got down after that.

He added also that she was still dancing as she climbed down, and it did not seem like she knew the man who grabbed her.

Her reaction was simply a mild look of distaste and then climbing down on the opposite side of the speaker than her grabber was on. She didn't say anything. If there were any other reactions they were too mild to notice. Worth noting is that a different guy had spanked her a bit right before the other guy went full grab, and she didn't seem to mind/react to that. But the grabber was too much, it seemed.

Such unsolicited gropings occur at music festivals all the time, often leaving women feeling uncomfortable, annoyed, or blatantly violated (sometimes all three). Confronting your assailant is not only awkward, it's often met with ridicule. Saying nothing perpetuates the idea that such behavior is OK, or is at least tolerated. Let's be clear: it's not, and it shouldn't be.





I'm sorry..... This is NOT sexual assault, and to believe that it IS or to even try to tell us that it IS sexual assault is to completely make illegitimate the horrors that women and children have actually endured. I have two female friends who have been victims of sexual assault as well as two family members who were REAL victims of an ACTUAL crime.

Were these guys Assholes? Most definitely. I know my momma didn't raise me to be that way. If being an Asshole in America made you a criminal they'd have to just build a brick wall and ceiling around the entire country, because let's face it, I see 10 things people do every day that irritate me. I'm no saint either, by the way.... although I do have to apologize that I don't have a police record to prove it, unless you're including speeding tickets from my youth..... ;)


You know what officer? She sexually assaulted ME! Here I was enjoying a few beers and maybe a joint with some friends watching Tom Petty rock on stage and this chick gets up on the speaker and gives me a huge boner.... I don't care that she didn't touch me. I came to the concert to listen to some great music and this girl comes out of nowhere rocking her hot young body in a stripper outfit in front of me and made me think about cheating on my [theoretical] wife who is standing right next to me.


She's an Asshole too. You're out in public. This isn't Coyote Ugly. There's a few pre-pubessent boys two rows behind you that you just turned into men.

She was drunk. They were drunk. People tend to be Assholes when they're drunk. Trust me.... I KNOW ;)

If they should be locked up for sexual assault, she should be locked up for indecent exposure, and I'm just hoping it's a co-ed prison and I'm the lucky guy to share a cell with her for any one of very numerous terrible things I've said on these boards while drinking.


Just another example of taking good intentions to the insane extreme.....




BTW... I don't have any reason to believe that this girl was an Asshole because she claimed any sexual assault after the fact. That would make her a SUPER Asshole. In fact, I believe that her reaction to it as explained in the article was completely appropriate. She was having a great time in the hot sun, likely somewhat intoxicated, was loving that music and thinking about what a banging body she had and she got a little carried away in the care-free bliss that one can experience in such a scenario.

If anything, the guy's with their hand on her ass were doing her a favor by kind of bringing her back into reality long enough to realize that maybe this wasn't the time or place for that display. It's not the ass-grabbing guys I would worry about any second of the day.

The true criminal is the quiet guy that's up close enough to get a good show, but far enough away to have his own dirty thoughts to himself and not be made suspect by any photos or videos taken by anyone in the vicinity. The cold and calculating pervert lurking in the shadows that has nothing better to do than stalk her the rest of the day in hopes that maybe she gets separated from the herd long enough to strike......



I love watching girls get up and dance with next to or nothing on. Actually, I love going to bars that have sexy, young "cage girls" dancing for a living, even though strip clubs aren't my thing. These girls are all paid to do it, and they're also very well protected.

I've seen plenty of really drunk girls get up on tables at regular bars, and it almost always ends up the very same way. She pretty much does it until some drunk horny guy grabs her in some way or another.

Asshole, meet Asshole.

If we were talking about a 12 year old girl, this would be an entirely different conversation, but assuming this girl has been old enough to vote for at least 1 second, I don't see how either of them are any more guilty than the other of being an Asshole.

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In "Gimme Shelter" we see a totally naked, clearly wasted 'Rubenesque' girl work her way towards the stage while The Rolling Stones are playing. As she gets to the stage a couple of Hell's Angels grab her and knock her to the ground with pool cues. Later she is seen bleeding from the head. Whaddaya gonna do?

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Per the so called hiney grab, at least she wasn't in Tahrir Square, dressed up like a foreign reporter.

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Per the so called hiney grab, at least she wasn't in Tahrir Square, dressed up like a foreign reporter.

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Had to read a bit, but found the correct term: Fallacy of relative privation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_relative_privation

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Seriously, you get a drunk girl , dressed like that, in front of young drunk males, a quick vulgar, though harmless grab is bound to happen. Shouldn't, but it does.

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It makes me wonder why women here are fighting me on this. Is it truly your dream for your daughter to be living in a world where she's free to dance on a speaker at a concert in Stripper Gear without worrying about somebody grabbing her ass????

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Per the so called hiney grab, at least she wasn't in Tahrir Square, dressed up like a foreign reporter.

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Seriously, you get a young woman , dressed like that, in front of young angey males, a quick vulgar, though harmless grab is bound to happen. Shouldn't, but it does.

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Everyone is responsible for their own behavior. What we choose to do has consequences. I did not watch the video but I am seeing one guy, one girl. Not men, not women. There are certainly things that need to be addressed in this world as far as the treatment of women go but as I said. I see one guy and one woman. Neither one is acting appropriately.

If I wanted to start world war three over women’s issues, I’d pick a better example.

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Welcome my ass. He signed on one day after Miker melted down. No intro, just jumped in and gave Chris harassing shit with his first posts. So he's a sockpuppet of Miker, who was nothing but a giant troll douche.

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Welcome back Miker! You pissed off Jongs - 100 bonus points to start your new round! Truthfully, it takes nothing to piss him off so that's just default sock puppet return points.

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It makes me wonder why women here are fighting me on this. Is it truly your dream for your daughter to be living in a world where she's free to dance on a speaker at a concert in Stripper Gear without worrying about somebody grabbing her ass????

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The idea that a woman can rest assured that no one just feels entitled to access to her body, no matter what she happens to be wearing or where she happens to be standing.

That's just basic respect. I don't understand what bothers you about that concept.

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Welcome my ass. He signed on one day after Miker melted down. No intro, just jumped in and gave Chris harassing shit with his first posts. So he's a sockpuppet of Miker, who was nothing but a giant troll douche.

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Welcome back Miker! You pissed off Jongs - 100 bonus points to start your new round! Truthfully, it takes nothing to piss him off so that's just default sock puppet return points.

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Who absolutely has been confirmed to be a sock puppet of Chris in the first place. Just another layer to the onion, is all.

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Everyone is responsible for their own behavior. What we choose to do has consequences. I did not watch the video but I am seeing one guy, one girl. Not men, not women. There are certainly things that need to be addressed in this world as far as the treatment of women go but as I said. I see one guy and one woman. Neither one is acting appropriately.

If I wanted to start world war three over women’s issues, I’d pick a better example.

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Welcome to RWED, where EVERYTHING is a cause to celebrate or war-inate

Seriously though, welcome Most people take a while to make it into the fray, you been lurking long or do you just naturally dive right in to most things?

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I see I caused a bit of a stir. Not much I can do about that. Not much I care to do about that.

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I see I caused a bit of a stir. Not much I can do about that. Not much I care to do about that.

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I used to think it was sad that this is what's become of us, but hey- WE SURVIVE~!

And really, what else is there to do? I mean would you really want everyone to be joyously happy and use perfect manners all the time? That would be stuck up and repressing and Depressing...
It might be a little sick, but it's also delightful to have a place to come and tear people down and then the next day ask them how their kid or their job or their health is. It really does help you figure out what's REALLY important to you and where your battle lines are.
Not trying to convert, just explaining. If that ain't yer thing, there's chat which is more like snail mail these but I've always tried to be best behavior just so people have that outlet if they need

And if you really AREN'T a sockpuppet, hang around long enough they'll get past it...We really have had a few in the past so they're extra paranoid, ya see...

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At some point you need to get a little common sense. Get drunk in stripper gear, climb into the lion's enclosure and prance the behind in the lion's face. Problem solved, just sue the lion because a drunki girl is too stupid.
Seems the vast majority of women drink alcohol precisely to get laid, "let go their inhibitions," et al, and then complain they won't get laid when they're sober. Act like an adult, pretend you are responsible for your own behavior, and that women are not too dumb to make their own decisions and stick with them. And then leave this girl alone because she's not in your camp.

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Fully dressed & working as a journalist is a far cry from drunk, barely dressed, on a stage & baring her backside. A quick butt slap or even a grab is far from a violent gang rape.

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I'm just saying that if she was dressed in a burkah in public where there are half a million horny male hands and also kids present, maybe her ass wouldn't have been grabbed.

It makes me wonder why women here are fighting me on this. Is it truly your dream for your daughter to be living in a world where she's free to dress how she pleases without worrying about somebody grabbing her ass????

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- "Sexual assault" is a purposefully vague term designed to oppress men because it makes it difficult to distinguished between bad forms of unwanted sexual contact and totally acceptable forms of unwanted sexual contact that men are simply entitled to if women act a certain way.

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Does anyone really deny this though ? I mean, you go the first part right, 'bout making it obscure. Rape use to be called Rape. Now it's called 'assault' which also includes all manner of unwanted contact.

Basically, any man who had 'bad , adult feelings ' for a female, and she didn't want those , from him, is now an assault.

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Welcome. How did you find this site? Have you been here before? THGRRI? Does it stand for Trolls Have Gorram Repeat Responsibility Indefinitely? And which American way? The radical Tea Party one? The downtrodden masses one? The elitist we-know-what's-best-for-you Left or Right one?
See, timing is everything, and apparently you will pan out as nothing.
Very weak try at a new ident.

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One of my coworkers - a brilliant young man - had a serious drinking problem.

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One of my coworkers - a brilliant young man - had a serious drinking problem.

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My uncle, not a brilliant young man and pretty screwed up with drug use, alcohol, and a number of perversions, had a serious drinking problem.

My dad and his mother found him face down on the floor of his kitchen. He had been dead for two days before anyone thought to look for him.

That's why we have his cat now.

My other grandmother lived through a quintuple bypass, multiple car wrecks, a couple hospital induced morphine overdoses. She had a serious drinking problem.

We begged her to quit, and for a while, it seemed like she had. But she developed dementia, which began to get worse and worse. Eventually, she had a stroke, and for two months we had to take care of her while she couldn't sleep though the night, didn't know where she was, she was terrified, and she also peed on all of our furniture in her confusion.

Her feet started turning purple and necrotizing from yet more blood clots. We took her to the hospital, and while we were trying to figure out whether to amputate her affected limbs because they were rotting and getting gangrene, she died. She died unhappy, troubled, befuddled, and in pain.

As it turned out, we later found two ginormous bottles of vodka in her closet, one was almost empty. The alcohol had interacted with the heart medication she was on, causing her dementia and the blood clots.

*Pointed look at Jack*

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Welcome. How did you find this site? Have you been here before? THGRRI? Does it stand for Trolls Have Gorram Repeat Responsibility Indefinitely? And which American way? The radical Tea Party one? The downtrodden masses one? The elitist we-know-what's-best-for-you Left or Right one?
See, timing is everything, and apparently you will pan out as nothing.
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*snort. Sorry, that's a bit funny.


As to the rest of the argument, I'm a bit known for my lack of faith in humanity. See, if you live in the bad side of town and you leave your door unlocked *GUESS WHAT* eventually yer stuffs gonna get pinched. You can blather on about society and it's responsibility, but at the end of the day it's up to YOU to look out for YOU. Same goes for the girl. We can pretend that all men are capable of keeping hands to themselves or we can recognize reality for what it is and PROTECT OURSELVES. I recommend a layer of clothing BIGGER than a couple inches on all relevant parts, and some self defense training, so that when a guy grabs your ass you can sidle up to him, smile and THEN knee him in the crotch! Then you've taught that guy a valuable lesson to keep his dirty hands to himself...PRICELESS!

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We can pretend that all men are capable of keeping hands to themselves or we can recognize reality for what it is and PROTECT OURSELVES.

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At some point you need to get a little common sense. Get drunk in stripper gear, climb into the lion's enclosure and prance the behind in the lion's face. Problem solved, just sue the lion because a drunki girl is too stupid.
Seems the vast majority of women drink alcohol precisely to get laid, "let go their inhibitions," et al, and then complain they won't get laid when they're sober. Act like an adult, pretend you are responsible for your own behavior, and that women are not too dumb to make their own decisions and stick with them. And then leave this girl alone because she's not in your camp.

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I love how this thread could be so simple ("Yeah, that guy should definitely not have touched her") and instead so many people seem compelled to add qualifiers:

- it's the woman's fault, she was totally asking for it
- his action was harmless, so we shouldn't be talking about it, at all
- women elsewhere have it worse, so we shouldn't be talking about it, at all
- arguing against groping drunk naked strangers is the same as denying personal responsibility
- men are "lions in a den", but women need to stop being stupid and be responsible, because we certainly can't ask men to do that
- if you want to talk about "women's issues" you need to pick a nice and easy example that everyone can agree on (so you don't have to spend so much time on that unimportant crap)
- this woman's behavior after the fact is somehow deeply relevant to what others may think of her being groped (i.e. she is some kind of team mascot)
- "Sexual assault" is a purposefully vague term designed to oppress men because it makes it difficult to distinguished between bad forms of unwanted sexual contact and totally acceptable forms of unwanted sexual contact that men are simply entitled to if women act a certain way.

The "vast majority" of women drink to get laid? For real? 1) How is that possibly true, 2) is that invented fact supposed to make it okay when people grope drunk women? Because "looking to get laid" means being fair game to anyone within groping distance?

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