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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I used to think along these lines, Chris, but sadly I have come to see that some people just enjoy or feel entitled to inflict pain and suffering on others if it suits their needs, and are not in any inner pain or suffering themselves, just dont have any empathy.

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Originally posted by DEVERSE:


I am going to explain my position and ask polite questions and see if I can agree or not with what sounds like an interesting theory.

I have difficulty in thinking that every single rape is a result of a genetic trait. However, I do understand that "rape" occurs quite frequently in animals and insects and that it is assumed that this occurs not as a social behaviour, but a biological one.

I would suggest that the thought that human males commit rape as a biological behaviour would be similar to saying rape is "natural" and thus normal or should be accepted and this may be a reason why such a theory is rejected. Humans should be "better" than animals (yeah, right) and this likely leads to a fair amount of prejudice against such a theory.

Anyway, I am supposing that you are suggesting that if rape is part of an animal's genetics, is it also part of human genetics?



Would you agree that culture is a stronger motivator than genetics? Both as a motivator and as a motivator not to rape?

Given the possible lowering rate of incidence would you think it is a trait that is being lost or is it some other factor?

Would you think it is a genetic mutation rather than inherent?

Anyway, I'd be interested in hearing a bit more of your thoughts on this and perhaps some clarification of your thoughts.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
No, it wasn't really anything to do with animals, or their natural tendencies. Humans are an entirely different beast,

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Behind every rape is a terrified little kid feeling out of control and unable to point to his grown up self and see the asshole.

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or someone who gets off on exerting power and control over another person.

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To sooth the inner terrified, out of control little kid. A person with an emotional age of six in a grown up body is a recipe for disaster. Most humans who inflict pain on others are in pain themselves.
Not an excuse here, just trying to understand. They still deserve whatever legal or physical smackdown they incur upon themselves for embracing evil as a distraction.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:


Some of us rise above it a bit, others do not.

Watch the Star Trek episode "The Enemy Within." This explains it all better than I ever could.

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
I see that Wish has not provided any real response, ie links to this DNA "expertise" of hers. I'm still completely blown as regards this "blame the DNA" idea of hers. Is any real, existent person really that blind and stupid and just... yick!? There is no word for the madness she has posted here.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Mad dog syndrome?
For some I guess.
In any case, a release from this world is best. I believe in helping them on their way if they confess. Not a fan of the 'death penalty', but some peeps want out so bad it's best to grant their wish IMO.

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
I am truly sad that you live in such a brain. What a horrible world you must face, seeing things the way you do. I have been in the company of such brains, and it isn't fun. I hope you find a way out.

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Serious virtual HUG here, Byte.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Why's she the one you all get mad at?

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

How's what I said any different from what Wish's doing? Huh? Why's she the one you all get mad at?

Do I get special privileges because you all think I'm more broken or something? Even though I'm pretty sure she has it much worse than me?

Jeez, maybe she's just talking from the same place I am, only I'm even less of a cheery ball of sunshine than her. Only difference is, she wants the attention. I'm just bored.

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Byte- are you done talking about what you think are my intentions yet, in every other post? Speak for yourself.

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This will be my last post on the subject, because I've been here long enough to know when it's gotten pointless.

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It is not possible for the girl to get it.

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You don't know Jack.

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It sure looks like to me that because of testosterone, and accompanying various genes, that statistically men aren't AS capable of self-control.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Mal4prez- you are officially on my douche list. I've always tried not to respond to you because your primary argument is to attack the PERSON on EVERYTHING and try to get everyone else to do it to. Who does that but insecure people??

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This will be my last post on the subject, because I've been here long enough to know when it's gotten pointless.

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Byte- are you done talking about what you think are my intentions yet, in every other post? Speak for yourself.

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Simply put, I've been there.

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You don't know Jack.

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Ahah. No, I don't, and goodness willing, I won't ever have cause to meet him. I don't have to go to Fireflyfans to encounter drunks trying to grab my ass.

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Originally posted by DEVERSE:

What no calling me a Nazi? I don't know if I can deal with this. It might be too much

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Well, until I have a Nobel Prize for publishing the definitive answer to life’s questions, I’ll try and keep an unprejudiced mind.
The idea that violence may be genetic isn’t exactly new or unusual. It seems there have been a number of incidents where the question has been asked, “Is there a murder gene?”; so I’m thinking it isn’t exactly outlandish to wonder if there isn’t something in our make up that leads individuals to engage in violent behaviour.

As humans we tend to want answers, especially in situations that make little sense. For example, I think of a case where an individual comes from a wealthy family, has apparently had a comfortable life with a very loving family, who has never been in any trouble and then over the last 5 years seems to have killed both his mother and father, at least two women and (the incident that resulted in him being caught) then arranging to meet a person who wanted to sell their truck and killing the man so he could steal the truck.
The individual planned and executed the murders quite carefully as his parents deaths were not seen as suspicious and he was not even remotely suspected as being involved with the two women killed. The one incident where he seems to have either miscalculated or lost control was in killing the man who wanted to sell his truck.
The individual also does not seem to be suffering from any specific or identifiable condition so, what was the motivation or trigger for the violent acts?
And this case is not alone, there seems to be a number of others and even some where individuals are attempting to use genetics as a defense for their actions.

As I indicated earlier, the idea of genetics being involved in human activities isn’t new, but I think I may be slightly more comfortable with epigenetics rather than the dated concepts of “nature versus nurture” in an exploration of possibly finding an answer.
The concern that the idea of genetic behaviour does raise for me though is that the scientific community is as fallible as any other (in many cases much more fallible) and some idiot will publish some half baked idea that a bunch of other idiots will embrace and it will cause nothing but grief.

Anyway, seems the thread has taken its unique FFFNet turn, so I’ll toddle off to ponder the matter as I think you answered my questions sufficiently.


Oh let the sun beat down upon my face;
With stars to fill my dream;
I am a traveler of both time and space;
To be where I have been

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Originally posted by DEVERSE:


Well, until I have a Nobel Prize for publishing the definitive answer to life’s questions, I’ll try and keep an unprejudiced mind.


Anyway, seems the thread has taken its unique FFFNet turn, so I’ll toddle off to ponder the matter as I think you answered my questions sufficiently.

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Originally posted by DEVERSE:


Well, until I have a Nobel Prize for publishing the definitive answer to life’s questions, I’ll try and keep an unprejudiced mind.
The idea that violence may be genetic isn’t exactly new or unusual. It seems there have been a number of incidents where the question has been asked, “Is there a murder gene?”; so I’m thinking it isn’t exactly outlandish to wonder if there isn’t something in our make up that leads individuals to engage in violent behaviour.

As humans we tend to want answers, especially in situations that make little sense. For example, I think of a case where an individual comes from a wealthy family, has apparently had a comfortable life with a very loving family, who has never been in any trouble and then over the last 5 years seems to have killed both his mother and father, at least two women and (the incident that resulted in him being caught) then arranging to meet a person who wanted to sell their truck and killing the man so he could steal the truck.
The individual planned and executed the murders quite carefully as his parents deaths were not seen as suspicious and he was not even remotely suspected as being involved with the two women killed. The one incident where he seems to have either miscalculated or lost control was in killing the man who wanted to sell his truck.
The individual also does not seem to be suffering from any specific or identifiable condition so, what was the motivation or trigger for the violent acts?
And this case is not alone, there seems to be a number of others and even some where individuals are attempting to use genetics as a defense for their actions.

As I indicated earlier, the idea of genetics being involved in human activities isn’t new, but I think I may be slightly more comfortable with epigenetics rather than the dated concepts of “nature versus nurture” in an exploration of possibly finding an answer.
The concern that the idea of genetic behaviour does raise for me though is that the scientific community is as fallible as any other (in many cases much more fallible) and some idiot will publish some half baked idea that a bunch of other idiots will embrace and it will cause nothing but grief.

Anyway, seems the thread has taken its unique FFFNet turn, so I’ll toddle off to ponder the matter as I think you answered my questions sufficiently.

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Originally posted by Wishimay: (quoting me with rather poor formatting)

Is any real, existent person really that blind and stupid and just... There is no word for the madness she has posted here.

I did not think any living person could be as freakishly obviously WRONG as you have been here.

I am truly sad that you live in such a brain. What a horrible world you must face, seeing things the way you do.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Women who are safely coddled from murderers, dictators, and choose to intentionally associate with "bad boys" with the knowledge that things could get out of control should not be shocked, shocked I say, that they are not the masters of all that surround them.

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Bring it on JSF.

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You might wanna see to that OCD problem you got. I bet yer a hand washer, aincha?? It's prolly also why you stay angry for days about blah blah on the internets.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Mal4.

Spent the last seven years not talking to you FOR A REASON.

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You might wanna see to that OCD problem you got. I bet yer a hand washer, aincha?? It's prolly also why you stay angry for days about blah blah on the internets.

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Swing and a miss!

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Women who are safely coddled from murderers, dictators, and choose to intentionally associate with "bad boys" with the knowledge that things could get out of control should not be shocked, shocked I say, that they are not the masters of all that surround them.

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This ^^^

This is the sick mentality that you make excuses for, Wish. Which is why I'm not mad at you, no matter what Byte might think. I'm sad as hell for anyone who accepts this world view and lives in it without even putting up a fight.

The "mad" Byte sees is just my automatic reaction to anyone who expects me to live in such a sick sad world with them. Sorry, hon. I'm not coddled, I just make no excuses for those few men who are scared and weak enough to try to find their ID through bullying women, and I pity the fool who encounters me on a dark night thinking I'm not the master of my own fate.

Bring it on JSF.

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Swing and a miss!

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Methinks you doth protest too much. A normal person would have blown it off, but you wrote a whole page about it. Says I'm closer than you'd like.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
On the bright side, at least we didn't have 6ix chime in on this thread about how we should be making sure our daughters dont grow up to be little sluts who deserve what they get.

So it's a step up, or one foot out of the sewer of threads if you like.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
To be fair Mal4Prez, we're probably all crazy around here, and I say that as the craziest one of you.

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Sorry but you do not get to claim to be the craziest if your posts continually show a calm thought out opinion. Nope, not buying it.

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Sorry but you do not get to claim to be the craziest if your posts continually show a calm thought out opinion. Nope, not buying it.

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You really haven't seen crazy yet. Give it a month or two.

Some of us walk the straight and narrow path of logic to a conclusion, others of us crawl through the wilderness of madness and somehow end up in the same place.

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