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Russia Today Correspondent Quits Over Plane Crash 'Lies'

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Friday, July 18, 2014 4:19 PM

JONGSSTRAW


http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Russia-Ukraine-reporter-quits/2014/07
/18/id/583551
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A second Russia Today correspondent has quit her job, saying the Kremlin-funded station's anchors "do work for" Russian President Vladimir Putin and lied on-air to the public.

Firth said the network asks its anchors to "obscure the truth," and that she'd had enough.

She told The Press Gazette in London that she made her decision to quit Thursday after bher newsroom's response to the reports about the deadly plane crash.

"Yesterday when the story broke you get the kick in your stomach when you’re going to get the facts and it’s this huge story," she said. "And I walked into the newsroom and they were running an eyewitness account of God-knows who the person was blaming the Ukrainian government, and it is such a volatile situation."

Firth, who has been with Russia Today since 2009, told BuzzFeed Friday that the organization's coverage of the crash was "the total disregard to the facts. We threw up eyewitness accounts from someone on the ground openly accusing the Ukrainian government [of involvement in the disaster], and a correspondent in the studio pulled up a plane crash before that the Ukrainian government had been involved in and said it was 'worth mentioning.' "

But the prior plane crash wasn't "worth mentioning," Firth said.

“I couldn’t do it any more," Firth said. "Every single day we’re lying and finding sexier ways to do it.”

Earlier this year, former Russia Today correspondent Liz Wahl quit while she was on the air, saying she couldn't support a network that "whitewashes the actions of Putin" while asking her to "promote Russian foreign policy."




Well what the hell do these western correspondents expect they're gonna be asked to do at Russia Today? Tell the truth? How can they not know beforehand that it's a propaganda machine for Putin?

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Saturday, July 19, 2014 8:45 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I'm betting these folks were too young to know the history of Pravda, and how things still work over there.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, July 19, 2014 8:51 AM

THGRRI


I posted this yesterday in the other thread. No one must have noticed. I like that it is showing up in its own thread. It is worth another look. I wonder is Signym will respond?

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Saturday, July 19, 2014 10:36 AM

WHOZIT


They're like MSNBC, but MSNBC hosts don't mind lying for their lib dictators.

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Saturday, July 19, 2014 11:15 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'm betting these folks were too young to know the history of Pravda, and how things still work over there.



You're right. I don't blame anyone for taking a high-paying dream job. It takes a lot of courage to walk away from one because of your principles.

It's a shame that things have gone the way they have in Russia since Putin rose to power. Oh well, old habits.

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Sunday, July 20, 2014 8:48 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

It's a shame that things have gone the way they have in Russia since Putin rose to power. Oh well, old habits.




Puty isn't trying to revive the old Soviet Union, but instead the old Russian Empire.

He really does want the good old days to return.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 4:40 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Oh yeah............well, FOX News sucks............so there!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by WHOZIT:
They're like MSNBC, but MSNBC hosts don't mind lying for their lib dictators.


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Monday, July 21, 2014 10:38 AM

BYTEMITE


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Puty isn't trying to revive the old Soviet Union, but instead the old Russian Empire.

He really does want the good old days to return.



Putin confirmed for literally Hitler.

I'm actually serious, the amount of legitimate comparisons that can be made for Putin's actions, how he maintains power, the minorities he represses, and his motivations are troubling to say the least.

And that's even with me factoring in how most of US news is bullshit and propaganda.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 11:34 AM

JONGSSTRAW


If you think Putin is "literally Hitler", then you clearly know nothing about Hitler. Lots of books on the subject. One of the best is Martin Gilbert's "The Holocaust". Read it. I guarantee you an enlightening experience.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 12:29 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Oh yeah............well, FOX News sucks............so there!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by WHOZIT:
They're like MSNBC, but MSNBC hosts don't mind lying for their lib dictators.



RT is on another level to FOX News:



It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 12:34 PM

THGRRI


.........................................No working video KPO?


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Monday, July 21, 2014 12:51 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


No, haha RT seems to have pulled it. It was called: "The Truthseeker: ‘Genocide’ in Eastern Ukraine"

It basically started off talking about how the US had caused the genocide in Rwanda, and the war in the DRC, and is now behind the Ukrainian government's current 'genocide'.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 1:19 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by kpo:
No, haha RT seems to have pulled it. It was called: "The Truthseeker: ‘Genocide’ in Eastern Ukraine"

It basically started off talking about how the US had caused the genocide in Rwanda, and the war in the DRC, and is now behind the Ukrainian government's current 'genocide'.

It's not personal. It's just war.



It is called subjective writing (in this case delivered by video)and is meant to confuse and also has the effect of stopping others from commenting because It is too much to take on. This is how Sig and 1kiki post. The trick is to cut through the shit and get back to the point.

Here is how I would deal with it here.

Rwanda has nothing to do with the Ukraine and was decades ago. None of the players are the same as is the case with the DRC (WESTERN UGANDA) so if you wish to discuss those topics start a new thread. Right now we are talking about the Ukraine and I see nothing in what you suggest to bear out your claims.

See what I mean?


AURAPTOR
on a good day

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Monday, July 21, 2014 1:38 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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See what I mean?

You were trying to demonstrate subjective writing...?

Bringing up old, seemingly irrelevant topics and spinning them into the narrative of a modern day story is not, I don't think, an attempt to bamboozle. It's due to the fact that some worldviews are contrived and elaborate, and don't have a lot of evidence to draw upon.

For example I was arguing with some Russians online recently about which of our media is more trustworthy. I gave some very recent examples of Russian media lying (on the current Ukraine crisis), and being caught red handed. The Russians responded with a FOX News link from 2008, covering the Russia-Georgia war. I just laughed at them because 1) it was FOX News and 2) why couldn't they give any recent examples of Western media lying, like I did for Russian?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 2:01 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by kpo:
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See what I mean?

You were trying to demonstrate subjective writing...?

Bringing up old, seemingly irrelevant topics and spinning them into the narrative of a modern day story is not, I don't think, an attempt to bamboozle. It's due to the fact that some worldviews are contrived and elaborate, and don't have a lot of evidence to draw upon.

For example I was arguing with some Russians online recently about which of our media is more trustworthy. I gave some very recent examples of Russian media lying (on the current Ukraine crisis), and being caught red handed. The Russians responded with a FOX News link from 2008, covering the Russia-Georgia war. I just laughed at them because 1) it was FOX News and 2) why couldn't they give any recent examples of Western media lying, like I did for Russian?

It's not personal. It's just war.



It is an accurate example of a less than trust worthy America news agency. That is a good heads up as to how Fox tarnishes this countries reputation and adds to the confusion which others can take advantage of.


AURAPTOR
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Monday, July 21, 2014 2:18 PM

GEEZER

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
It is an accurate example of a less than trust worthy America news agency. That is a good heads up as to how Fox tarnishes this countries reputation and adds to the confusion which others can take advantage of.



Just out of curiosity, do you ever watch Fox News, or are you repeating what you've heard second-hand?

I never watch it (except the local news on the local Fox station sometimes) so I refrain from commenting on it.



"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, July 21, 2014 2:29 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
It is an accurate example of a less than trust worthy America news agency. That is a good heads up as to how Fox tarnishes this countries reputation and adds to the confusion which others can take advantage of.



Just out of curiosity, do you ever watch Fox News, or are you repeating what you've heard second-hand?

I never watch it (except the local news on the local Fox station sometimes) so I refrain from commenting on it.



"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."



That's a fair question. I too only watch fox locally although I watch Chris Wallace on Sunday mornings. I don't get cable anymore but back when I did I loved Fox because it spoke to my conservative side and also my patriotism. I started realizing for myself they were turning everything into spin rather quickly. The lies they spewed about Iraq for one completely turned me off to them. That does not mean I could not find on occasion some programing I liked, but for the most part wow what bullshit.


AURAPTOR
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Monday, July 21, 2014 2:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"It is called subjective writing (in this case delivered by video)and is meant to confuse and also has the effect of stopping others from commenting because It is too much to take on. This is how Sig and 1kiki post. The trick is to cut through the shit and get back to the point."

So when I post that I'm waiting for facts, it's an attempt to bamboozle you. You must be easily confused!




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 2:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


BTW, in this whole topic, not once did our intrepid reporter state what SPECIFICALLY she was asked to lie about. And it is the heart of the story. You would think - being a reporter and reporting being her profession - and acting out of conscience over one last straw - she could tell us what that specifically was.

It's not like she has to go millions of years into the past or across the globe or into secure data for this information. It's information she knows firsthand. So, where is it?

For a 'professional' acting out of 'conscience', she's both failed to do her job and display honesty.

And until this specific piece of information comes out, I file this under propagandist non-story. We're all supposed to get in a mutual huff over ... something. Whatever it is. But it's terrible!




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 3:57 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
BTW, in this whole topic, not once did our intrepid reporter state what SPECIFICALLY she was asked to lie about. And it is the heart of the story. You would think - being a reporter and reporting being her profession - and acting out of conscience over one last straw - she could tell us what that specifically was.




Read the second paragraph twice, maybe it will sink in.


RT Reporter Quits Over Pro-Russia Spin on MH17 Disaster, Says She’s Tired
of Lying

Back in March, RT host Liz Wahl made news when she abruptly quit on the air, claiming that she could no longer be part of a network that whitewashed the sins of Vladimir Putin. She says she made the decision after the Kremlin-run network put her in a position of having to essentially lie about the Russian invasion of Crimea. That intervention marked the start of the chain of events that led to yesterday’s downing of a Malaysian Airlines flight by a surface-to-air missile — one more than likely fired by pro-Russian forces.

Now another RT personality has quit — in part because of yesterday’s tragedy and the Russian reaction to it. Earlier today, Sara Firth handed in her resignation at RT and announced that she was leaving, saying on Twitter, “I’m for the truth.” But her scathing attack on the network and what it stands for didn’t stop there.

Here's another one.

A London-based reporter for Russia’s state-owned English-language channel RT quit Friday in protest at its coverage of the Malaysia Airlines crash in Ukraine.

http://www.punchng.com/news/russia-today-reporter-quits-over-lies-on-u
kraine
/






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Monday, July 21, 2014 5:22 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I enjoy watching Red Eye and The Five.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 6:06 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


If you had read my post with understanding, you would have understood that I was pointing out the lack of SPECIFICS. So, what SPECIFIC lie did she object to? Read your quote again. When you find the SPECIFIC lie she was objecting you, post it. Then you will have responded to my argument. Until then, I'll treat your posts on this topic as spam.
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
BTW, in this whole topic, not once did our intrepid reporter state what SPECIFICALLY she was asked to lie about. And it is the heart of the story. You would think - being a reporter and reporting being her profession - and acting out of conscience over one last straw - she could tell us what that specifically was.




Read the second paragraph twice, maybe it will sink in.


RT Reporter Quits Over Pro-Russia Spin on MH17 Disaster, Says She’s Tired
of Lying

Back in March, RT host Liz Wahl made news when she abruptly quit on the air, claiming that she could no longer be part of a network that whitewashed the sins of Vladimir Putin. She says she made the decision after the Kremlin-run network put her in a position of having to essentially lie about the Russian invasion of Crimea. That intervention marked the start of the chain of events that led to yesterday’s downing of a Malaysian Airlines flight by a surface-to-air missile — one more than likely fired by pro-Russian forces.

Now another RT personality has quit — in part because of yesterday’s tragedy and the Russian reaction to it. Earlier today, Sara Firth handed in her resignation at RT and announced that she was leaving, saying on Twitter, “I’m for the truth.” But her scathing attack on the network and what it stands for didn’t stop there.

Here's another one.

A London-based reporter for Russia’s state-owned English-language channel RT quit Friday in protest at its coverage of the Malaysia Airlines crash in Ukraine.

http://www.punchng.com/news/russia-today-reporter-quits-over-lies-on-u
kraine
/











SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 8:39 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
It is an accurate example of a less than trust worthy America news agency. That is a good heads up as to how Fox tarnishes this countries reputation and adds to the confusion which others can take advantage of.



Just out of curiosity, do you ever watch Fox News, or are you repeating what you've heard second-hand?

I never watch it (except the local news on the local Fox station sometimes) so I refrain from commenting on it.



"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."



That's a fair question. I too only watch fox locally although I watch Chris Wallace on Sunday mornings. I don't get cable anymore but back when I did I loved Fox because it spoke to my conservative side and also my patriotism. I started realizing for myself they were turning everything into spin rather quickly. The lies they spewed about Iraq for one completely turned me off to them. That does not mean I could not find on occasion some programing I liked, but for the most part wow what bullshit.


AURAPTOR
on a good day


Here's the FOX clip I was talking about:



It's embarrassing, and funny, but not as bad as Russian propaganda.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 8:54 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
If you had read my post with understanding, you would have understood that I was pointing out the lack of SPECIFICS. So, what SPECIFIC lie did she object to? Read your quote again. When you find the SPECIFIC lie she was



Maybe you should ask her, give her a call. The point I wanted to make is in what I posted. They wanted her to lie about the airliner that was shot down. She refused and quit.


A London-based reporter for Russia’s state-owned English-language channel RT quit Friday in protest at its coverage of the Malaysia Airlines crash in Ukraine.

http://www.punchng.com/news/russia-today-reporter-quits-over-lies-on-u
kraine
/







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Monday, July 21, 2014 9:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Why, SPECIFICALLY, she wouldn't say. And you didn't care to wonder why she left out that one extremely vital fact that would have validated her story. But, you have no problem with lack of facts. You just fill in with whatever fantasy validates your opinions.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 9:07 PM

AURAPTOR

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@KPO - Clear to me that FOX didn't cut off anyone, and in fact, they came BACK to the aunt and let her continue her diatribe.

Not exactly the 'eye witness 'account it seems they were expecting to give to the viewers, but more of a prepared speech w/ talking points.


Not sure if that's the point you were trying to make or not.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 9:13 PM

THGRRI


I don't have a problem with it 1kiki, you do. It makes Russia look bad so you are going to constantly challenge it. It is what I expect of you and all this helps to strip you of being able to claim you post objectively. More and more I notice some have had enough of the attacks you make against this country to protect your precious Mother Russia.

I have less and less of a problem with it because as time goes by it gets easier and easier to brush your bullshit aside. Your complaint about the article just shows a bit of desperation.




A London-based reporter for Russia’s state-owned English-language channel RT quit Friday in protest at its coverage of the Malaysia Airlines crash in Ukraine.

http://www.punchng.com/news/russia-today-reporter-quits-over-lies-on-u
kraine/

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Monday, July 21, 2014 9:20 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
@KPO - Clear to me that FOX didn't cut off anyone, and in fact, they came BACK to the aunt and let her continue her diatribe.

Not exactly the 'eye witness 'account it seems they were expecting to give to the viewers, but more of a prepared speech w/ talking points.


Not sure if that's the point you were trying to make or not.



It was a bit awkward. And yes the ladies did have their say. It reminds me that if you are questioning a person on the witness stand, don't ask a question you do not know the answer to because you may get an answer you do not want the jury to hear.


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Monday, July 21, 2014 10:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"It makes Russia look bad so you are going to constantly challenge it.'

Wait. What was the title of the thread, again? it was this: "Russia Today Correspondent Quits Over Plane Crash 'Lies'" .. Not, 'Russia looks bad because of ... something', not 'Russia looks bad because of 'things' someone said RT 'always' does', but "Russia Today Correspondent Quits Over Plane Crash 'Lies'

So, if she quit over lies about this plane crash, it would be valuable to know WHICH lies about THIS plane crash? SHE certainly didn't give us on the scoop on what, SPECIFICALLY, Russia lied about regarding mh17 . It would be a valuable piece of information. But despite the fact she claims first-hand knowledge, she didn't say. Apparently it gets left up to your imagination. And you oblige.

So, LAST CHANCE. What SPECIFICALLY did Russia lie about?





SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 11:22 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
@KPO - Clear to me that FOX didn't cut off anyone, and in fact, they came BACK to the aunt and let her continue her diatribe.

Not exactly the 'eye witness 'account it seems they were expecting to give to the viewers, but more of a prepared speech w/ talking points.


Not sure if that's the point you were trying to make or not.


It was a bit of an ambush, but it only worked because FOX was so intent on presenting this bit of news a certain way. A news reader on the BBC for example would've been able to react to an interviewee saying something this completely unexpected, and would've interviewed them anyway. They would've said something like: "Many people blame the Russians as the aggressors here - but you actually see them as defenders?" But the FOX guy, it was funny how he couldn't react at all to his interviewee going 'off script', didn't acknowledge her points, and the producers had to cut to an ad break.

Yes FOX did give both ladies time to voice and sum up their sentiments, but it was hurried, and clearly uncomfortable for the network - like, 'uh-oh, this is one of the points of view we usually shelter our viewers from...'

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 11:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Uncomfortable or not, they stuck w/ the piece, and allowed the 12 year old girl and her aunt to say their piece.

Sure, Shep didn't do a bang up job, but at least he didn't get schooled like that Krystal Ball dame , from msnbc.

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Monday, July 21, 2014 11:42 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Uncomfortable or not, they stuck w/ the piece, and allowed the 12 year old girl and her aunt to say their piece.

Sure, Shep didn't do a bang up job, but at least he didn't get schooled like that Krystal Ball dame , from msnbc.



You can bet his staff caught shit for not vetting the women first.


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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 9:41 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Uncomfortable or not, they stuck w/ the piece, and allowed the 12 year old girl and her aunt to say their piece.

Sure, Shep didn't do a bang up job, but at least he didn't get schooled like that Krystal Ball dame , from msnbc.



You can bet his staff caught shit for not vetting the women first.



The first clue might have been that she had a Russian surname, and not a Georgian one.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, July 22, 2014 10:59 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Uncomfortable or not, they stuck w/ the piece, and allowed the 12 year old girl and her aunt to say their piece.

Sure, Shep didn't do a bang up job, but at least he didn't get schooled like that Krystal Ball dame , from msnbc.



You can bet his staff caught shit for not vetting the women first.



The first clue might have been that she had a Russian surname, and not a Georgian one.

It's not personal. It's just war.



Yea really. That would be a clue.


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