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I'm often very tired, sometimes feel a bit of achey pressure around
the heart, but usually not.

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Forgot to mention, often tired is another effect of sucralose, one friend of mine had a metabolism rate that the lab said was for a person in a coma - after 9 months of cold turkey from sucralose, they finally understood that her glands had become permanently damaged, but they did get her into the non-coma range.

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Part of being smart is knowing what the clues are.

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For diet:
You seem to have too much late in the day. I don't know your weight, or if it is an issue. You should wake up hungry, and have a decently large breakfast and lunch, and greatly reduce what you eat in the last 4 hours before you go to bed. Too much pasta, bread, meat before bed will just process and become fat, and mess up your chemical balance.

Transition Diet:
eat anything you want for breakfast, lunch, and up to the last 4 hours before bedtime. Moderation is better, but not essential until you've settled in.
last 4 hours eat any of this, as much as you wish:
Any soup.
any fruits or veggies, canned or fresh.
popcorn (not with sucralose)
any potato (not chips, prefer not fries) baked, mashed, salad, etc OK.
any nuts.

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Forgot to mention salads - any salad that does not contain pasta.

The explanation:
This is not a punishment "diet." Eventually if you can avoid eating the last 4 hours, that would be great. Many friends have lost weight just on this alone, never transitioning to another diet. If you eat late one night, or on a date, no big deal - you know about it, it shouldn't kill you, particularly if you go out dancing after dinner and burn off much of it before going to sleep.
Some people cannot go to bed hungry, and punishing yourself in this way is actually bad for you, your appetite, and your health habits.
Therefore, the list of acceptable foods.

Popcorn and potato products normally are filling enough that you will stop before you can really get too much calories or fats in you.
The rest have vitamins, minerals, readily available simple sugars, and should help alleviate the nutrition sensors in you which are triggering your "hungry" sense. Yet are easy for your body to break down without creating more fat cells.

So, eat enough that you are not "hungry" or "starving" when you retire, but have a healthy appetite when you awake.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Potato products? I can eat my body weight in chips, they are very morish.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Potato products? I can eat my body weight in chips, they are very morish.

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Did you read the part, very specifically and clearly mentioned, like "NO CHIPS" or similar?
That would mean chips are not allowed. Plus fries are preferred to not be included.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

It was the potato 'products' that left me cold. What other potato 'products' are there that are okay?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You know lots of folks who do not breathe? or not on a regular basis? or don't normally breathe?
This is an inhalation workout.
All land based critters perform this task naturally, with weight which would be translated to the chest on most. You may have heard of PSIA, or "atmo" in certain sci-fi ventures. Inhalation, AKA expansion of the chest or ribcage, is pushing the sternum outward against the pressure (or "weight") of this very same atmosphere.
I was not aware until now that there were beings capable of interacting on this forum which were also not habitually breathing, or did not find breathing to be a "normal" activity.
This particular workout augments the resistance against inhalation during the workout period, so that inhalation activities outside the workout period are easier and more readily effective.

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All the people I know breathe. Every day in fact. But not with weights on their sternums

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It is a well-known fact that obesity is a risk factor for cardiovascular disease and related conditions such as hypertension or high blood pressure; furthermore, heart disease is the number one cause of death in the United States. The American Heart Association recommends avoiding excessive foods and beverages that contain high amounts of sugar. Boost nutritional energy drinks range from 25 to 27 g sugar with each 8-oz. serving, according to Quitehealthy.com. >>> Do not begin this nutritional drink until you first speak with your doctor, especially if you have a history of heart disease.<<<"

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
For diet:

Transition Diet:
eat anything you want for breakfast, lunch, and up to the last 4 hours before bedtime. Moderation is better, but not essential until you've settled in.
last 4 hours eat any of this, as much as you wish:

any potato (not chips, prefer not fries) baked, mashed, salad, etc OK.

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Forgot to mention salads - any salad that does not contain pasta.

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Also forgot to mention fish/seafood up to the last 2 hours before bed. Mostly fish and seafood have less complex digestive requirements and can be completed within 2 hours.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Aren't all those potato products incredibly high in fats, including many of the so called bad fats ie trans and saturated? But baked, roasted, mashed, boiled I can live with. I can also eat a lot of mash when I get started, and that too can be loaded with butter.

Yoghurt is great, I agree. But not kind that is loaded with sugar

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

This is not the eventual diet that you may choose. This is for the final 4 hours before bedtime, to help you get over any "starvation" hump, to allow you to sleep. The more your diet shifts to earlier in the day, the less you'll feel the need to eat during the last 4 hours before bed. As I stated, this is not a punishment diet, just one to help correct bad habits - but many friends tell me they lose so much weight and feel so much better that they never move on to another diet.
If you are eating "a lot" of mashed potatoes, then you likely didn't have enough other foods prior to the last 4 hours period. You may choose to not include potato products in your tailored routine, but the reasoning behind leaving them in the allowed foods is sound.

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Originally posted by G:
BOOST http://www.livestrong.com/article/440387-side-effects-of-boost-high-pr
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"Boost's temporary energy increase comes from the sugar that it contains. Therefore, energy drinks like Boost have a high amount of calories, which if taken for an extended period of time could lead to weight problems, states MayoClinic.com. Specifically, Boost High Protein Energy drink contains 240 calories in an 8 oz. serving, along with 50 calories from fat. Additionally, Boost High Protein drink has 10 mg cholesterol, 33 g carbohydrates, and 18 g of sugars. The chocolate Boost high protein drink contains nearly 30 g sugar."

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The people you know breathe in a vacuum? Really? Without the weight of atmospheric pressure on their sternums? Really?

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The great thing about being an earthling is we're built not to feel that pressure. Do you feel it pressing on your stomach?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
unnecessary strain would be one which produces muscular soreness at the time or within the following days after the event. Muscles can only work properly when they are exercised.

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We wouldn't know that until perhaps too late - so why risk it? this isn't a bum foot we're talking about.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are you also going to prohibit anybody who has undergone surgery from coughing, sneezing, grunting on the can, singing, shouting, whistling, playing musical instruments of the mouth, or blowing their nose?

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Hell yeah! Have you ever had stitches? "Don't strain" is common advice.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I can pretty much guarantee you that no doctor will ever suggest such an exercise - far easier and less thoughtful and within insurance guidelines to shovel some pills down their throat, and that will keep the customer - errr patient - coming back for more instead of letting them get better.

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You seem to be suggesting that Drs never cure anyone. I agree that there are good and bad Drs, and that some of them might take shortcuts. That's why I suggested the Cleveland Clinic.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
high amount of calories?
Boost 8oz serving has 25% USRDA of something like 24 vitamins and minerals, meaning about one quarter of your daily requirements. 240 calories is about one quarter of a 1,000 calorie per day diet. Quarter for a quarter, get it? Under the original Nutrament name, the serving was 12oz, the USRDA was 35%, and the calories were about 350 - in other words, one third for one third. How this perfect proportionality can be redefined as "high amount" is junk-science or junk-math at it's worst.
I have never found a product with that many vitamins and minerals while at the same time that few calories, sugars, fats as Boost has. And I do look.

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Boost? Please check it out again.

http://www.weightymatters.ca/2011/10/badvertising-boost-is-it-really.h
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"You know if you're making health claims and you run your ad often enough, I'll probably get around to checking up on it.

Today's ridiculousness?

Boost. It's made by Nestle Nutrition and they've been advertising like crazy these days with that ad up above being plastered all over multiple Canadian medical journals.

The ad claims the silly dressed up guy in the frog glasses is

"totally serious about complete nutrition",
and that ad suggests that for said "complete nutrition" I should recommend Boost for my patients.

So do I?

Lord no.

Why?

First take a moment to peek at Boost's ingredient list:



And now let me ask you, if a beverage starts out with a 237ml glass of water and added to that are 7 teaspoons of sugar and corn syrup, would there be any concoction of vitamins or minerals that you could stir into that glass that would have you believe it'd be a smart choice?

I didn't think so, and yet with 28g of sugar, and sugar and corn syrup being the 2nd and 3rd ingredients after water, that's exactly what you get with Boost, with added sugar accounting for a whopping 47% of Boost's total calories.

So I guess the morale of the story here is that you shouldn't take nutritional recommendations from a clown....or at the very least not from Nestle Nutrition. "

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high amount of calories?
Boost 8oz serving has 25% USRDA of something like 24 vitamins and minerals, meaning about one quarter of your daily requirements. 240 calories is about one quarter of a 1,000 calorie per day diet. Quarter for a quarter, get it? Under the original Nutrament name, the serving was 12oz, the USRDA was 35%, and the calories were about 350 - in other words, one third for one third. How this perfect proportionality can be redefined as "high amount" is junk-science or junk-math at it's worst.
I have never found a product with that many vitamins and minerals while at the same time that few calories, sugars, fats as Boost has. And I do look.

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Boost? Please check it out again.

http://www.weightymatters.ca/2011/10/badvertising-boost-is-it-really.h
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"You know if you're making health claims and you run your ad often enough, I'll probably get around to checking up on it.
Today's ridiculousness?
Boost. It's made by Nestle Nutrition and they've been advertising like crazy these days with that ad up above being plastered all over multiple Canadian medical journals.
The ad claims the silly dressed up guy in the frog glasses is
"totally serious about complete nutrition",
and that ad suggests that for said "complete nutrition" I should recommend Boost for my patients.
So do I?
Lord no.
Why?
First take a moment to peek at Boost's ingredient list:



So I guess the morale of the story here is that you shouldn't take nutritional recommendations from a clown....or at the very least not from Nestle Nutrition. "

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Holy cow, another even worse site - type in sucralose for his search - he uses it constantly!!

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I would never recommend any artificial anything, nor would I recommend any drink that is as full of sugar as Ensure or Boost - easy.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You know lots of folks who do not breathe? or not on a regular basis? or don't normally breathe?
This is an inhalation workout.
All land based critters perform this task naturally, with weight which would be translated to the chest on most. You may have heard of PSIA, or "atmo" in certain sci-fi ventures. Inhalation, AKA expansion of the chest or ribcage, is pushing the sternum outward against the pressure (or "weight") of this very same atmosphere.
I was not aware until now that there were beings capable of interacting on this forum which were also not habitually breathing, or did not find breathing to be a "normal" activity.
This particular workout augments the resistance against inhalation during the workout period, so that inhalation activities outside the workout period are easier and more readily effective.

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All the people I know breathe. Every day in fact. But not with weights on their sternums and not after heart surgery (I don't care how long ago).

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You say "augments resistance" and I say "unnecessarily strains" how would either of us know which it really is?

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Diets, health and eating = everybody says something different and it can be so confusing. There's a lot of misinformation out there as far as I can determine.

One thing that they all agree on is that you cannot each too many fresh vegies. The fresher the better for you.

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My mantra is the same as G. Choose food that has been tampered with as much as possible.

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On a coworkers water bottle today, I noticed that Propel Water has sucralose, and not even at the bottom of the ingredient list, but halfway up the list.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You know lots of folks who do not breathe? or not on a regular basis? or don't normally breathe?
This is an inhalation workout.
All land based critters perform this task naturally, with weight which would be translated to the chest on most. You may have heard of PSIA, or "atmo" in certain sci-fi ventures. Inhalation, AKA expansion of the chest or ribcage, is pushing the sternum outward against the pressure (or "weight") of this very same atmosphere.
I was not aware until now that there were beings capable of interacting on this forum which were also not habitually breathing, or did not find breathing to be a "normal" activity.
This particular workout augments the resistance against inhalation during the workout period, so that inhalation activities outside the workout period are easier and more readily effective.

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All the people I know breathe. Every day in fact. But not with weights on their sternums and not after heart surgery (I don't care how long ago).

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When any adult human lowers themselves into water, they are putting pressure on their sternum, adding pressure to work against. Water pressure increases about 0.445 psi per foot of depth. An average person would have their chest submerged about a foot when their mouth is at surface level. if the average chest is about a foot square, that would be 144 inches square, and for argument's sake, half that is 72 square inches. So 0.445 psi times 72 square inches equals about 31 pounds of weight on the chest (or extra resistance) just by swimming, or wading in to neck depth. Five pounds is one-sixth of that.
I have difficulty believing that almost anybody reading this would not be able to see how much of a foolish notion you have.

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You say "augments resistance" and I say "unnecessarily strains" how would either of us know which it really is?

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Yep, sitting in water that is 2 inches above your nipples is certainly an excessive "strain" and should certainly not be considered a form of exercise. Just sit in bed for the rest of your life.

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You speak of artificial sweeteners - did you read the Boost ingredients label?

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That's a much better label.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I hope this is the case in your country. In America this is not always the case, many lethal cases of salmonella and such are from veggies picked by illegal immigrants and the like. Although not neighbor-fresh, these are still in "fresh" form, not canned or cooked. Nobody has been getting these illnesses from canned or cooked veggies. I wish this was not a dilemma.

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I was thinking you actually meant the opposite.

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FAIL.
Your labels are missing the data. Left label seems about 5grams (if it is only one cup), right label about 13grams. For those of you not good with the math, 13 grams is more than the 9 grams for men and 6 grams for women the Sugar Nazis say should be consumed per day.

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FAIL.
Your labels are missing the data. Left label seems about 5grams (if it is only one cup), right label about 13grams. For those of you not good with the math, 13 grams is more than the 9 grams for men and 6 grams for women the Sugar Nazis say should be consumed per day.

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And you miss the point completely. You couldn't miss it more if you tried... er, yeah, right, you did try.

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There are juicers and juicers.

This is the one I have now.

http://www.appliancesonline.com.au/small-appliances/beverage-preparati
on/juicers/centrifugal/breville-juice-fountain-juicer-bje200.html#BJE200

It's pretty simple to clean, plus the pulp goes well in the compost.

I dont like citrus skin on, so I do that the old fasioned way (I think it tastes better pressed anyway)


In all honesty, you are better off not drinking too much fruit juice, but eating a piece of fruit. Again, the juicer is for vegetables.


For smoothies, I use this.

http://www.appliancesonline.com.au/small-appliances/mixing-and-blendin
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
fwiw I've had juicers - twice. But they were messy and hard to clean, and I also decided I was throwing away good stuff. Then I got a Vitamix which gets consistently good ratings, plus I know people who swear by theirs. But again, it was a pain to clean and too big for my needs since I'm the only one that uses it. So I got a Nutribullet and it's the best $100 I've spent. It makes 'me' sized portions, is easy to clean, and does a decent job. There are a couple of things to watch out for - you can't let it sit for any length of time (hour +) after use b/c it tends to get stuck, you have to take the gasket out and rinse it b/c otherwise it won't get clean, and when you put it back in you need to take a second and make sure it's flat, or it might leak.

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It sounds like you have some experience with various juicers. Can you share with us the pros and cons, and perhaps make/models of the other units you have tried? Or why you did or didn't like them?

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Good luck avoiding it

http://www.celestialhealing.net/Food_contain_HFCS.htm

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

OK. I'm still real interested in this thread. So why do I skip it so much?
Not sure. Part of my disorganization thing? Takes a long time for some
things to penetrate to a level of understanding? Anyway, I went off &
OCDed on a computer game. But the health issues and wanting to work
on them, I continued.

Aug 2, I drove across town to the other Health Food store and asked if
they carry Ceylon Cinnamon. They did, so I got a small pile of it to try.
Compared to Supermarket cinnamon, the color is lighter, smell is different
& taste; it's warm, not hot, on the tongue. And when eaten, I felt right
away that it heats the blood. Now it's in my morning tea all the time.
Shall I up my dose? Dunno yet. The gal at the store even told me to put
it in a glass jar when I got home, 'cause it will burn thru a plastic bag!

In the meantime, how's my hypoglycemia?
It's a little better, feels different, but still with me. If I get preoccupied
and forget to eat, it'll still get me.

I wanna go wheat-gluten free. I have a loaf of rice & millet bread ... &
it's from the regular grocery store! I don't like it much, but I can eat it.

The lady at my neighborhood Health Foods store warned me about micro-
wave ovens. Big No-no, ruins the food, bad for you! So I searched that &
found a buncha articles that agree. My friend told me, "They've been tel-
ling us not to microwave for years!" Me, "Yeah, but ... I don't read or
watch TV, so I never heard of it!"

Today, I ordered some Polygala tenuifolia (my town doesn't have it).
It's a Chinese herb, anti-aging, semi-panacea thing. I'm sure it'll be fun
to try. Anyways, my main interest is What it does for the Brain. Yes, it
improves mood, memory & concentration; but mainly, it helps one to
sleep, to dream, to wake up refreshed.

O, I almost forgot: some refer to it as the Will Herb.


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