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Thankfully, that scourge known as 'empathy' is finally being done away with.

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
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Saturday, July 26, 2014 9:51 PM

CHRISISALL


Empathy with those who are oppressed, hungry, or actively being killed against their will causes a feeling of powerlessness and leads to depression. Depression bad. Happy good.
Ever know a sociopath? They never get depressed. Not that they're always the cheery peeps at parties, but you'll never see a sociopath crying over kids killed in war, or posting angrily over animal cruelty in a pig farm.

Good news though: the internet has a non-sociopathic solution to empathy. It's called emotional-text-removal. You can rant angrily, or deny fastidiously.

Anything to stem the tears that works is cool.

Bye bye true empathy; hello social media sublimation!
WOOHOOO!

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 10:58 PM

THGRRI


Here we go, one thread leads right into another. Why, because the holier that thou place excessive emphasis on their own moods, attitudes, opinions, etc. If you do not agree with their exorbitant views of focusing only on the horror, but instead want to include the facts to give some context, you must be void of empathy.

Their view is subjective and often has a basis in reality, but reflects the posters views of reality. If you wish to challenge the posters perceptions about who may be at fault, then you must not be sympathetic to the plight of others. A sociopath, I don't think so.


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Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:07 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
sympatric

What? Is that a word? Please clarify for non-obfuscated response.

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:26 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


It's important to be reminded that there are people in the world who care - about EVERYTHING - more than you.

And more times than not, this " caring " involves taking money from others and putting it towards FIXING the so many wrongs in the world.

And if you question or dare to object ? By golly, you don't CARE.

Meanie.

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:32 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's important to be reminded that there are people in the world who care - about EVERYTHING - more than you.

And more times than not, this " caring " involves taking money from others and putting it towards FIXING the so many wrongs in the world.

And if you question or dare to object ? By golly, you don't CARE.


I'm trying to think of a way you could be MORE misdirective and self-servingly nebulous, but it's not coming...


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Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:35 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Two powerful and influential songs from my yoot. Both were banned on the radio back then, but now they're kinda corny. We're not perfect now, but we've come a long way.








This one still makes me well up. She was only 16 here on The Smothers Brothers Show. It caused quite a shitstorm.

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:41 PM

MAL4PREZ


I once had a job offer from a top-notch company in England. I liked the people in the company, liked the perks, but something about the norms and general societal structures in that (elite) part of the UK bothered me. Something was off there. Everything was so rigidly defined, as opposed to my experience in Boston where one could go out to dinner wearing torn jeans and a crappy old T-shirt but the waiter/tress would be cool because he/she had to consider that maybe you're a tech millionaire who really can afford the best wine on the list.

That wouldn't happen in the UK that I experienced. Even the "punks" there were uniform in their dress and behavior, taking care that their appearance defined their social role. (F'ing creepy how uniform the "punks" were! WTH?) In that society, what one looks and acts like in the moment defines everything that they are and have been and will be, and that is an end to it.

I quote only a small part of an article I read today and found very enlightening - read the whole thing if you want to make sense of the mentality of the ruling classes in England, and by extension those of other countries established by England. By which I mean the US. It is directly related to the neocon mentality of the old wealth class here in the US, the mindless obeisance of authority and lack of any empathy towards those who face challenges in the very basics of survival.

It very neatly fits Frem's ideas, which I have never disagreed with in general, though I find his focus too narrow.

From the article:

"This clutch of male ruling politicians embodies the grand Victorian public school virtues – or failings – more than most: suppression of emotion, devotion to the team, distrust of women and minimal empathy for the weak and ordinary."

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/may/04/abuse-britain-private-s
chools-personal-memoir


Good lord, is that not the US neocon movement? The ruling British class, which has become the US ruling class?


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Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:43 PM

CHRISISALL


Jongs, great songs, but we haven't come so far IMO. We move like the tides, making progress, then slipping back.
It's the way of things...

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:13 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's important to be reminded that there are people in the world who care - about EVERYTHING - more than you.

And more times than not, this " caring " involves taking money from others and putting it towards FIXING the so many wrongs in the world.

And if you question or dare to object ? By golly, you don't CARE.


I'm trying to think of a way you could be MORE misdirective and self-servingly nebulous, but it's not coming...




Meh. You were trying to say 1 thing, but it all boils down to something else, so I just cut the the b.s. and distilled it all down for ya.

Or not. Really don't care , either way.

As in, i don't give a flip. Really.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:28 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

Jongs, great songs, but we haven't come so far IMO. We move like the tides, making progress, then slipping back.

It's the way of things...


Yes it is. If you let all the misery in the world get to you, you'll end up in a straight jacket.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:36 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

And more times than not, this " caring " involves taking money from others and putting it towards FIXING the so many wrongs in the world.
FIRST DO NO HARM.

It would be a great start if we would just stop killing people by the hundreds of thousands ... bombing, shelling, shooting.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:08 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

And more times than not, this " caring " involves taking money from others and putting it towards FIXING the so many wrongs in the world.
FIRST DO NO HARM.

It would be a great start if we would just stop killing people by the hundreds of thousands ... bombing, shelling, shooting.



It would be wonderful. Now all we have to do is get all to agree to that. Easier said that done.


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Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:56 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
If you let all the misery in the world get to you, you'll end up in a straight jacket.

Got one all picked out.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And yet Mal4, despite US claims to be a meritocracy of rugged individualists, Britain has better upward mobility than we do.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from
-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 6:13 PM

THGRRI


Do Muslims, shaman and medicine men get a free ride? I did not notice them listed? Your poem misses vast amounts of territories as well? That is generally what happens when we make lists.

I do agree with the sentiment but we as a race do not exist on that plain of conscious yet, if we ever will.


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Sunday, July 27, 2014 6:26 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
I once had a job offer from a top-notch company in England. I liked the people in the company, liked the perks, but something about the norms and general societal structures in that (elite) part of the UK bothered me. Something was off there. Everything was so rigidly defined, as opposed to my experience in Boston where one could go out to dinner wearing torn jeans and a crappy old T-shirt but the waiter/tress would be cool because he/she had to consider that maybe you're a tech millionaire who really can afford the best wine on the list.

That wouldn't happen in the UK that I experienced. Even the "punks" there were uniform in their dress and behavior, taking care that their appearance defined their social role. (F'ing creepy how uniform the "punks" were! WTH?) In that society, what one looks and acts like in the moment defines everything that they are and have been and will be, and that is an end to it.

I quote only a small part of an article I read today and found very enlightening - read the whole thing if you want to make sense of the mentality of the ruling classes in England, and by extension those of other countries established by England. By which I mean the US. It is directly related to the neocon mentality of the old wealth class here in the US, the mindless obeisance of authority and lack of any empathy towards those who face challenges in the very basics of survival.

It very neatly fits Frem's ideas, which I have never disagreed with in general, though I find his focus too narrow.

From the article:

"This clutch of male ruling politicians embodies the grand Victorian public school virtues – or failings – more than most: suppression of emotion, devotion to the team, distrust of women and minimal empathy for the weak and ordinary."

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/may/04/abuse-britain-private-s
chools-personal-memoir


Good lord, is that not the US neocon movement? The ruling British class, which has become the US ruling class?


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I've been reading those articles on boarding school abuse, Mal. They are so depressing. The idea that the ruling elites send their kids off to be bastardised like that at 7 or 8, knowingly, because they went through it too, because they want empathy beaten out of their kids, literally. It's gobsmackingly awful.

But there you have it all over the world, the powerful or wanna be powerful teach a twisted kind of morality. Fierce competition, contempt for those less powerful, who deserve the beating down they get. Scary stuff.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 7:52 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:

My bad I should have included the writer of the song and that happens to be Buffy Sainte Marie. She is a Native American.

I thought it was a fitting piece given the thread title and I happen to agree with the sentiments in the song.




I get it, and your right. It is just sad that some here use the claim of lack of empathy as a shield against criticism of what they are saying. Just one more thing that is wrong with us collectively.


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Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:08 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
If you let all the misery in the world get to you, you'll end up in a straight jacket.

Got one all picked out.


Hey, that's a beauty! Looks just like the one Frem's in 23 hours a day.


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Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:27 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Looks just like the one Frem's in 23 hours a day.

Me and him are jacket buddies now.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 1:11 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Depression bad. Happy good.
Ever know a sociopath? They never get depressed.



That sounds like the kind of lie a sociopath might tell. :P

We do get depressed, it's called co-morbidity. If you have one mental health disorder, it's likely you have others.

And some of us do have interests in causes apart from our own self-interest.

The difference is, the way they approach problems lends itself to horrible solutions. And any regret they might feel is tempered by their certainty that it was necessary and they were right.

We're more common than you think.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 1:17 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Quote:

Depression bad. Happy good.
Ever know a sociopath? They never get depressed.



That sounds like the kind of lie a sociopath might tell. :P

We do get depressed, it's called co-morbidity. If you have one mental health disorder, it's likely you have others.

And some of us do have interests in causes apart from our own self-interest.

The difference is, the way they approach problems lends itself to horrible solutions. And any regret they might feel is tempered by their certainty that it was necessary and they were right.

We're more common than you think.



The ranks of the successful and governments are full of sociopaths.


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Monday, July 28, 2014 2:26 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
That sounds like the kind of lie a sociopath might tell. :P

We do get depressed, it's called co-morbidity.

Byte, you think YOU'RE a sociopath?
That's just crazy talk.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 5:36 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Yeah, more likely somewhere on the autism spectrum.

As all the best people are....


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