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The NFL - beating women less offensive than talking bad about gays, or getting free tattoos.

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Friday, July 25, 2014 6:06 PM

AURAPTOR

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*** CORRECTION ***

Apparently, it IS worse to strike a woman in an elevator and knock her out cold!!


Good for the Ravens for letting this thug go.


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Well, let's wait for the court system to render its full judgment before we act. Wait, the courts already did that too?

Ray Rice is lucky he didn't call his wife a gay slur while she was knocked out. Because then the NFL really would have been mad. He might not play this season. Based on the precedent the Minnesota Vikings set with Mike Preifer, he certainly would have missed more games for merely uttering a gay slur than for knocking out a woman.

What if Rice had paused while dragging his wife's body out of the elevator and sent a mean text or tweet, then the NFL would have really laid down the law, too. Remember mean words are much worse than mean acts. Or, God forbid, imagine if Ray Rice had gotten free tattoos at Rutgers and the NFL found out about it. Then, like Terrelle Pryor, he might have faced a five-game NFL suspension. Hell, Pryor could have knocked out two women and only missed four games.

And don't even get me started on the NFL's absurd drug-testing policy suspensions. If you smoke too much weed you can miss an entire NFL season. That's the equivalent of knocking out eight women. (Ten if your team advances deep in the playoffs). How in the world is it eight times as bad to smoke too much weed as it is to knock out a woman? Is there any person on earth who agrees with these disparate punishments? Keep in mind, weed is not even a performance enhancing substance, it makes you worse at the game. Here's what the NFL's drug policy should be -- use any drugs you want if they don't improve player performance.

That's your risk, we don't care. But that's another column, this one is about stupidity, the NFL's in particular. Somehow we've reached the point where violent acts are much less severely punished than mean words or texts or tattoos or bad jokes about gay people during practices.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/ray-ric
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But there is that whole month where players promote Breast Cancer awareness, so I guess it's all good, huh ?

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Friday, July 25, 2014 6:25 PM

JONGSSTRAW


She didn't press charges, and she married him AFTER he knocked her out and dumped her unconscious body in the hotel lobby. Women, go figure.

And the Head Coach Harbaugh says "It's not a big deal" .. "He made a mistake."

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Friday, July 25, 2014 9:43 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Ahhh, he should have been charged. or is assault against your partner still legal in America? Coz you know women like that kind of thing, right Jongs?

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Friday, July 25, 2014 9:52 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Ahhh, he should have been charged. or is assault against your partner still legal in America? Coz you know women like that kind of thing, right Jongs?



It has been awhile since I heard this but I believe it is now law when a domestic abuse is apparent the police have to make an arrest. To many times they would show up just to have the spouse refuse to press charges. Now the state does it. I think....


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Friday, July 25, 2014 10:24 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Ahhh, he should have been charged. or is assault against your partner still legal in America? Coz you know women like that kind of thing, right Jongs?


Well this particular woman might like it, because she went ahead and married him anyway. Maybe playing the 'knockout game' is a sexual fetish of theirs.

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 7:57 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Ahhh, he should have been charged. or is assault against your partner still legal in America? Coz you know women like that kind of thing, right Jongs?



Apparently there are million$ of reasons why a girl wouldn't press charges against the man who knocked her unconscious, dragged her limp body out of a elevator, and then ends up marrying him.

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 6:58 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Again, clearly women like that kind of thing.

Can't think of any more reasons. Thank god for violent thugs, hey.

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Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:29 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Thank god for violent thugs, hey.





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Sunday, July 27, 2014 6:02 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


If you say so, dear....

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 7:48 AM

JONGSSTRAW



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Sunday, July 27, 2014 7:50 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Jongs and Rap try to convince the world they are not raging women haters - and somehow totally FAIL.

Keep it up Jongs. I rejoice that I don't know you in RL. And I feel for the women who do.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 7:55 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Jongs and Rap try to convince the world they are not raging women haters - and somehow totally FAIL.



Women are socialists ? Since when?


See, it's you bearing false witness like that which keeps the world from being a better place.


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Sunday, July 27, 2014 6:27 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


You gotta wean yourself off using random quote generator. It's not helping your image at all.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 6:34 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
You gotta wean yourself off using random quote generator. It's not helping your image at all.



Having no idea what that even is, I think it's safe to say it does not apply to me.

However, I WILL remind you that I'm the one who posted this thread to show what ?

Oh, that's right.. how UNFAIR it is that the NFL punishes its players who beat on women far LESS than those who get free tattoos or even talk about gays in a non-PC manner.

Maybe you agree that knocking women out and then dragging them across the floor doesn't warrant more than a 2 games suspension, but I do.


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Sunday, July 27, 2014 6:40 PM

THGRRI


MAGONSDAUGHTER you are arguing with cavemen.




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Sunday, July 27, 2014 6:47 PM

AURAPTOR

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Wow. Talk about bigotry and walking w/ blinders on...

How is the guy who is decrying the NFL's decision to give a woman beater only 2 games suspension when other far less horrific crimes get punished with even more games the 'caveman' in this scenario ?

If anyone is Archie Bunker, its you idiots who are calling ME names !

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 6:47 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Having no idea what that even is, I think it's safe to say it does not apply to me.

However, I WILL remind you that I'm the one who posted this thread to show what ?

Oh, that's right.. how UNFAIR it is that the NFL punishes its players who beat on women far LESS than those who get free tattoos or even talk about gays in a non-PC manner.

Maybe you agree that knocking women out and then dragging them across the floor doesn't warrant more than a 2 games suspension, but I do.




Oh Jesus, you mean you make up random unrelated shit to say yourself?????

Too weird.

Dont try and make yourself out to be 'mr outraged on behalf of women' and then accuse the woman of colluding with her abuser for financial gain, it's just too projectile vomit inducing.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 7:09 PM

AURAPTOR

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Ahh. Now I see your problem.

You're nuts.

I never said or intimated that anyone 'colluded ' here. This girl stayed w/ Mr. Rice because he's loaded w/ cash. Period. End of story.

You want to say it's true love, and that she should have over looked being beaten senseless and then dragged around like a rag doll, have at it. I'm gonna simply call it for what it is... a frelling travesty , for women EVERYWHERE.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 7:15 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


collude: act in unison or agreement and in secret towards a deceitful or illegal purpose

You are saying she puts up with it for money, right?

Do you know anything about women's experience of family violence? Do you know anything about the cycle of violence, about the factors that keep women within relationships that are abusive?

You are demonstrating a significant lack of empathy for this woman, so what is your point, exactly? Cause it aint about her, is it?

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 7:21 PM

AURAPTOR

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I'm showing lack of empathy for a woman whose fiance knocked her out COLD, by stating that she is endangering her life and or well being by marrying him ?

If he worked for UPS, or barely had a job at all, would you still think it a swell idea that she stick around and stay at his side ?


Seriously, you're the one sounding like Archie Bunker here.

But no, it's not just about her. It's about the NFL as a whole, which basically turned a blind eye to this violent act, begrudgingly giving Rice a 2 game suspension, while giving out far worse punishment for far lesser crimes.

Says a lot. Sounds to me as if you're not listening.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 7:28 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Sounds to me like you'd parrot anything Fox News says, even if normally you wouldn't give a shit.


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Sunday, July 27, 2014 7:32 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Sounds to me like you'd parrot anything Fox News says, even if normally you wouldn't give a shit.




How does this remotely have to do with anything FOX says ?

You're just being stubborn and can't admit that you agree w/ me.


*ETA - I suppose being out of the loop and all may be the reason you're not getting the point, but this is a major topic THROUGH OUT the sports world here in the U.S. NFL camps start this week, and the nation is gearing up for the season. It's VERY BIG news here.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:31 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I'm glad that it's big news in the US. Too often elite sportsmen get away with a wrist slap and a wink when they brutalise their partners.

The trouble with you is that you are so thick, you can't see anything incongruent in posting this story and then making a crack about how the woman puts up with it for money. So dont even get your own misogny and double standards.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 10:44 PM

CHRISISALL


MD, you nailed AU here, and he doesn't like it.

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Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:04 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

I'm glad that it's big news in the US. Too often elite sportsmen get away with a wrist slap and a wink when they brutalise their partners.



And that right there is the entire point. Period.

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The trouble with you is that you are so thick, you can't see anything incongruent in posting this story and then making a crack about how the woman puts up with it for money. So dont even get your own misogyny and double standards.




It's not a crack, genius. I'm flat out stating it, as it is the hard cold truth. There IS no misogyny here, what so ever. It's a very real and disturbing problem, that a woman will stay w/ a thug who beats her ,and who NEVER publicly apologized.

( I'm guessing his high priced lawyer advised him against such actions )

I'm sorry you're having a problem wrapping your brain around the culture here in the U.S., and how me stating the truth some how gets twisted into a tale of misogyny, but you're flat out wrong here.

Your attitude is no better than some guy saying 'well, if she got knocked out, she had to have said something to earn it '.

It's a mark against the league too, which will so minimize spousal abuse as to actually give the guy a slap on the wrist. It has fans and non fans crying foul.

Too bad you're letting your false preconceptions blur your vision on this one.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 12:40 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Keep talking the crap, Rap.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 1:47 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Keep talking the crap, Rap.



Can't keep doing something when I never started in the first place.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 4:38 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Dunno why I bother really, as it's like communicating with monkeys, and actually a lot less satisfying.

Next time you want to judge a woman who stays in an abusive relationship, rather than condemning her motives, or deciding that she enjoys it, perhaps you could take some time to educate yourself on abuse in family situations.

Please read


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Monday, July 28, 2014 5:51 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Dunno why I bother really, as it's like communicating with monkeys, and actually a lot less satisfying.

Next time you want to judge a woman who stays in an abusive relationship, rather than condemning her motives, or deciding that she enjoys it, perhaps you could take some time to educate yourself on abuse in family situations.

Please read




Yeah, sometimes an ugly situation is exactly what it seems.

Sorry if that is too uncomfortable for you to comprehend.

And in the future, you might want to drop the arrogant attitude w/ those who don't agree with you. Just my 2 cents.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 8:15 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Lordy, that's rich coming from you.

It is an ugly situation, but again why are you posting about it if you have no empathy for the woman? If she's such a violence tolerating baitch, as you and Jongs would have it, then by that logic, she deserves the crap being beaten out of her and the abuser should get away scot free.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 8:38 AM

AURAPTOR

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Coming from me? Ha! Just another example of the false persona others have tried to cast upon me.

How many times must I say it? This is a problem for the nfl AND it shows the terrible choices being made by all parties involved.

By excusing their actions , YOU are the one here who is saying she deserves it, and it's none of our business. Don't try to project your idiocy into others. Never did I remotely suggest she " deserves " being pummeled ! My frelling god. Just stop with your lunacy!!!!!!!!!

Hell, if I were 1/2 the troglodyte you paint me as, I'd be high giving the nfl & Ray Rice for getting away with it & keeping his woman in line. I'm not doing any of that and you know it. You're just pissed off because I'm the one who posted this thread & brought light to the topic.

Deal with it.

http://beta.sportingnews.com/article/4598833-ray-rice-suspension-roger
-goodell-domestic-violence-nfl-business-women?modid=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DRay%2BRice%26a%3Dresults%26MID%3D2500

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Monday, July 28, 2014 5:28 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Coming from me? Ha! Just another example of the false persona others have tried to cast upon me.



Nothing to do with false persona, just THIS one.

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How many times must I say it? This is a problem for the nfl AND it shows the terrible choices being made by all parties involved.


Still no empathy, I see. It's just not possible for you is it?

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By excusing their actions , YOU are the one here who is saying she deserves it, and it's none of our business.

I'm not excusing HIS actions.

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Never did I remotely suggest she " deserves " being pummeled !


You suggested that money was her motivation for staying in the relationship. Therefore, she puts up with the beatings for the millions the player makes. YOU SAID IT.

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Hell, if I were 1/2 the troglodyte you paint me as, I'd be high giving the nfl & Ray Rice for getting away with it & keeping his woman in line. I'm not doing any of that and you know it. You're just pissed off because I'm the one who posted this thread & brought light to the topic.




I don't have to paint you as a troglodyte, you paint yourself quite well. Your outrage over this in veneer thin. I bet your point was more along the NFL being too PC over the issues of racism and homophobia rather than any real concern or interest in family violence. I've called you on it, and you can't deal with it.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 5:35 PM

AURAPTOR

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You called me out on exactly nothing. I showed more compassion and concern for a woman knocked unconscious than you, and it bugs the ever living hell out of you.

And you know it.

Goes against the false picture you and others have tried to paint for me, and you really can't deal. Does not compute, burns the old noodle, and such, don't it?




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Monday, July 28, 2014 5:53 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Apparently there are million$ of reasons why a girl wouldn't press charges against the man who knocked her unconscious, dragged her limp body out of a elevator, and then ends up marrying him.


Such compassion.

And all through the thread too.

Careful, your motives are showing.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 8:58 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
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Apparently there are million$ of reasons why a girl wouldn't press charges against the man who knocked her unconscious, dragged her limp body out of a elevator, and then ends up marrying him.


Such compassion.

And all through the thread too.

Careful, your motives are showing.



Too bad your blinders keep you from seeing anything which your brain can't / won't process.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 9:24 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Just another example of the false persona others have tried to cast upon me.




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Monday, July 28, 2014 9:34 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Too bad you're blinders keep you from seeing.



A quizz for Rappy

Being violent to your intimate partner is wrong because

a) Fox News told me it was
b) Black men shouldn't make so much money, it's against the laws of nature
c) There is a strange whistling sound it my head. Make it stop please.
d) Something to do with hurting people being bad, but only if they don't deserve to be hurt or like it or something....
e) All of the above

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Monday, July 28, 2014 10:42 PM

AURAPTOR

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Per MagonsDaughter...

'Spousal abuse is perfectly fine if you're black.'

Got it.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 10:48 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


No you don't. What you've got is a head so full of cotton wool, you can't understand what you read, not really what you even think.

Carry on.


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Monday, July 28, 2014 11:06 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
No you don't. What you've got is a head so full of cotton wool, you can't understand what you read, not really what you even think.

Carry on.




So cemented in your view that anything I side with, you absolutely have to take the opposite side. If I said cancer is bad, you'd call me cancerphobic.

You obviously have no clue of what you're saying here, or any idea of how pissed off the sports world is over this slap on the wrist. But of course, you'll casually dismiss it as ALL Americans are just racist, and don't think a black man should be paid millions of dollars - for anything, or some such go-se.

You truly are the crying baby you accuse others of being.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 11:13 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
No you don't. What you've got is a head so full of cotton wool, you can't understand what you read, not really what you even think.

That's our AURapetor.

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Monday, July 28, 2014 11:16 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I'm being cruel here, aren't I?

It's like debating with a parrot, there is no victory to be had.

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 5:54 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
No you don't. What you've got is a head so full of cotton wool, you can't understand what you read, not really what you even think.

That's our AURapetor.



That makes no sense - at all.

@ MD - stop making this out to being some complex issue that requires great analytical powers. It ain't & it don't.

You're not debating at all. You're arguing. And for no apparent reason.

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 8:51 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Maybe you should read the following, and then spend a few seconds, minutes even, thinking about it.

You posted a story critical of the NRL over their leniency with a player who viscioously bashed a woman unconscious, and then in the very next few posts you and JOngs have an exchange that basically not only dismisses her experience but demeans her even further and you dont get why I still call you a misogynist.

Please explain to me why you have posted this article? Why the outrage, you obviously dont give a shit about the victim. So I wonder why you bother.

And the only thing I can get is that you just parrot stuff mindlessly without thinking.

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 9:21 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Maybe you should read the following, and then spend a few seconds, minutes even, thinking about it.

You posted a story critical of the NRL over their leniency with a player who viscioously bashed a woman unconscious, and then in the very next few posts you and JOngs have an exchange that basically not only dismisses her experience but demeans her even further and you dont get why I still call you a misogynist.



First, it's the NFL.
Second, I did no such thing as you claim.
Third, your name calling of me is 100% w/ out merit.

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Please explain to me why you have posted this article? Why the outrage, you obviously dont give a shit about the victim. So I wonder why you bother.

And the only thing I can get is that you just parrot stuff mindlessly without thinking.




Because the only thing you EVER see from anyone who is a conservative or libertarian is that it MUST Be mindless parrot stuff. You have programmed yourself into dismissing, completely out of hand, any position that comes from the Right.

You're a bit like Hamas - Death to the Jews! No matter what ! Always!

The story is self explanatory. It doesn't originate from FOX, and is being widely talked about here in the states.

I'm sorry that it and my reporting of it does not fit with in your narrow view of what I MUST be like, how I MUST think. As you've clearly got that wrong, it freezes you from moving forward.

I don't have time to play message board psychologist w/ you.

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 9:38 AM

JONGSSTRAW


That crazy bitch is just jealous.

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:22 AM

AURAPTOR

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Just tune into espn radio or any national syndicated sports talk... The story is still front & centre.

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:17 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Please explain to me why you have posted this article? Why the outrage, you obviously dont give a shit about the victim. So I wonder why you bother.

And the only thing I can get is that you just parrot stuff mindlessly without thinking.



I thought your defense of women was admirable till I saw you’re every much the bigot you accuse Archie of being. Your bigotry is exposed through your posts about Obama. The accusations you make towards him and how are recognized by many in this country because we have been seeing it for years. When I saw your post I asked are you joking and you replyed:

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...Mag.
No, no. Totally serious. I believe Obama is a secret Muslim who has been cunningly manoevered to the top of the world's most powerful country and he will turn America into a Islamic theocracy. Only he better hurry, because he has only two years left to do it.

And I welcome it all. Because there would be nothing better than having an America as an Islamic theocracy. Great days head. Prepare to face MECCA or die.




It’s my impression by what you post your hate for the man stems from the color of his skin. You not being from here suggests to me it’s not his politics.

It's more than a little ironic you are making that accusation against someone else now over gender. It would be nice to get all the bigots to go away so more congenial people would start posting here.

Do us a favor, we have enough bigots here without importing more. Try visiting someplace else.







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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:40 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Just tune into espn radio or any national syndicated sports talk... The story is still front & centre.


As Commissioner, Goodell does what he thinks is best for the game. And the team owners tell Goodell what to think.

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Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Just tune into espn radio or any national syndicated sports talk... The story is still front & centre.


As Commissioner, Goodell does what he thinks is best for the game. And the team owners tell Goodell what to think.



Baltimore fans seem to have forgiven him already . Reminds me of ATL fans defending Mike Vick after his dog fighting troubles.

Go figure.

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