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But a number that is even more alarming was buried in the middle of a Reuters report on Friday. According to Reuters, “more than 100 health workers” that have been fighting Ebola in Africa have contracted the virus themselves. Considering the extraordinary measures that these health workers take to keep from getting the disease, that is quite chilling. We are not just talking about one or two “accidents”. We are talking about more than 100 of them getting sick... The health professionals that are on the front lines of the Ebola fight in Africa are going to extraordinary lengths to keep from getting the virus…

To minimise the risk of infection they have to wear thick rubber boots that come up to their knees, an impermeable body suit, gloves, a face mask, a hood and goggles to ensure no air at all can touch their skin. They are only allowed to work for between four and six weeks in the field because the conditions are so gruelling. At their camp they go through multiple decontaminations which includes spraying chlorine on their shoes.

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Here’s what happened:

In the fall of 1989, Hazelton Laboratories had a lab at 1946 Isaac Newton Square West, where KinderCare is now located. The lab did animal experiments. There were already about 500 macaque monkeys housed at the facility when 100 more were flown from the Philippines, according to an article in the Internet Journal of Preventative Medicine.

A month later, 29 of the 100 quarantined monkeys had died. During a necropsy, a veterinarian found one monkey’s spleen had tripled in size and hardened and there was blood in the intestines. After conducting several other necropsies he diagnosed the deaths as being caused by simian hemorrhagic fever virus (SHFV), the Journal article said.

The Hazelton facility veterinarian then sent samples of the monkey tissues to the United States Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) for a conclusive diagnosis. Meanwhile, Hazelton lab workers began euthanizing the remaining animals, but sporadic deaths began occurring in several other rooms. Soon, 30 monkeys from a different shipment were dead.

Back at USAMRIID another researcher discovered by electron microscopy that Ebola Zaire was responsible for the monkey deaths. On Nov. 28, 1989 nearly six weeks after monkeys began dying in Reston, USAMRIID verified the Ebola finding. The following day, representatives from USAMRIID, the CDC, and the Virginia Department of Health met and developed an action plan. The CDC would handle people; USAMRIID would handle the monkeys and the monkey facility. Because of the threat that Ebola might spread to staff, Reston, and the greater Washington, DC community, the Army determined that all remaining monkeys would be immediately euthanized. The first task was to determine how best to administer a solution to a building potentially full of Ebola.

Scientists came to Reston in hazmat suits in order to carefully euthanize monkeys and stop the spread of the disease. During the process one of the monkeys escaped.

“Several of us spent the better part of a day trying to catch it,” Dr. Jerry Jaxx said in a veterinary medical journal interview. “When we talk about the Reston incident, we compare the frustration of that day with the Hollywood version in the movie ‘Outbreak,’ in which an infected monkey was coaxed from a tree and captured within minutes. It is a great example of reality vs. Hollywood.’ ”

The runaway was later caught in the building. Then the decontamination efforts began — an 11-day operation of scrubbing and bleaching. That was followed by electric frying pans cooking formaldehyde crystals for three days to rid the air of all toxins.

In the end, researchers concluded that the new species of Ebola was highly contagious in monkeys but not in humans. They also learned that the disease was not only found in Africa, since the monkeys had come from the Philippines. The investigators determined aerosol transmission was particularly quick in a lab setting, because the virus appeared to pass between rooms to infect susceptible monkeys.

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http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/more-than-100-health-workers
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Hrmmm. You're quoting "End of the American Dream" web site? Nope, no agenda there....

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Why would someone who is any of those things get their "news" from a state run outlet? That's not very any of those.

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She's also been caught too many times making negative assumptions and simply wrong ones.

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Per the CDC, almost 2 weeks after the doctors got sick, we STILL don't know how they were infected.

But all is well.

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what makes you think there are any news outlets that are NOT state controlled? As far as I'm concerned, since they're ALL state controlled, even you (yes, you) get your "news" from state-controlled outlets. You simply have decided to limit your news to a particular set of states.

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Um, I think the real point is that you've been caught too many times making positive assumptions, but just wrong ones. You have yet to show that either KIKI or I are wrong. What I get back from you is a lot of assumption-based emotion, but no analysis. Therefore, your assumptions remain undetected (by you).

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Per the CDC, almost 2 weeks after the doctors got sick, we STILL don't know how they were infected.

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I saw an article where someone suggested the material used to make a type of suit used in these situations is too porous and allows contaminant's in. It is to flimsy. There may also be a flaw in how they handle the suits when removing them.

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Why would someone who is any of those things get their "news" from a state run outlet? That's not very any of those.

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what makes you think there are any news outlets that are NOT state controlled? As far as I'm concerned, since they're ALL state controlled, even you (yes, you) get your "news" from state-controlled outlets. You simply have decided to limit your news to a particular set of states.-Sig

This response from you to G shows your limited understanding of how the world works... In this country the state may imply something to spin a topic towards a frame of though they wish you to peruse, as will the news agency’s themselves more often than not. ... In this country our government may make a video they wish the news agency’s to run concerning any list of topics. Many times because it is news the news outlet will run it unedited. That is a form of propaganda but again there is always a dissenting voice that can be heard that follows by that very news provider or their competition.

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Recent coverage of overbroad subpoenas for telephone records of Associated Press journalists and an inappropriate search warrant for a Fox News reporter are only the latest examples of abuse. In 2010 the Inspector General reported the FBI used an illegal “exigent letter” to obtain the telephone records of 7 New York Times and Washington Post reporters. And the FBI thwarts congressional oversight with excessive secrecy and delayed or misleading responses to questions from Congress

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There is a very big difference between that and what has happened to the news in Russia with the presence of Putin. Or Iran and many of the other news sources you research for you arguments, which do little more than cast aspersions on the west.

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Um, I think the real point is that you've been caught too many times making positive assumptions, but just wrong ones. You have yet to show that either KIKI or I are wrong. What I get back from you is a lot of assumption-based emotion, but no analysis. Therefore, your assumptions remain undetected (by you).-signy

I find this amusing. You and 1kiki have yet to be right unless we are talking global warming. When it comes to the Ukraine, wrong.

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Your belief system is tainted by the negative brush you use to paint everything but your beloved Socialism.

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Sorry, but when you suggest G is coming from a place of assumption based on emotion, it is yourself and 1kiki you are describing not G. I can’t count the amount of times I have read G saying to 1kiki, that is not what I said read it again. It is a constant reminder to me of all the times she has chosen to ignore what I was saying and respond with something that established for me, chatting anything with her was pointless.

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Lastly I would say I am torn between not responding to those hear who have an agenda, and letting the voices of reason stand unassisted in their attempts to keep these threads alive.. Alas, life has taught me the extremes on both sides are more likely to engage as I have witnessed here. My feeling is I should wean myself off of these threads entirely. I am sure there are half a dozen here that would love that which is of little concern to me. It’s just, this is fast becoming a place I do not wish to hang out.

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The point you are trying to make is the one I just made - it's not about America, so why is a End of America site using it? That site is so close to info wars - I've pointed that out before, so still true. It's obvious she didn't just happen by it.

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With over 932 dead, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has issued its highest level alert for an all-hands on deck response to the crisis in West Africa (that is spreading across the world). While President Obama proclaimed we are prepared and itis "not easily transmitted," it appears that is not entirely true. Meanwhile, CDC Director Frieden's "deep concerns" have been confirmed as Nigeria’s health minister has declared a health emergency as the deadly Ebola virus gained a foothold in Africa’s most populous nation, according to news reports. Nigerian authorities moved quickly late Wednesday, gathering isolation tents as five more cases of the Ebola Virus were confirmed in Lagos (the world's 4th most populous city with 21 million people). Most international flights from West Africa are also now screening passengers.

As Yahoo reports, The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Wednesday issued its highest alert for an all-hands on deck response to the Ebola crisis in West Africa.

"Ops Center moved to Level 1 response to given the extension to Nigeria & potential to affect many lives," CDC chief Tom Frieden said on Twitter.

Level 1 is the highest on a 1-6 scale and signals that increased staff and resources will be devoted to the outbreak.

"Basically this activation allows us to pull resources from throughout the agency to respond to this," said CDC spokesman Tom Skinner. He said it was the first time since 2009 that the Level 1 alert had been issued. Back then it was in response to the outbreak of H1N1 flu.

As The Washington Post reports, Nigeria’s health minister has declared a health emergency as the deadly Ebola virus gained a foothold in Africa’s most populous nation, according to news reports.

“This is a national emergency. Everyone in the world today is at risk. The experience of Nigeria opens the eyes of the world,” Minister of Health Onyebuchi Chukwu told the country’s House of Representatives. Nigerian authorities moved quickly late Wednesday, gathering isolation tents as five more cases of the Ebola Virus were confirmed in Lagos, a city bursting with 21 million people.

All five people are believed to be health workers who had direct contact with one man traveling from Ebola-ridden Liberia to Nigeria — making this country the fourth now infiltrated by the deadly disease.

“Yesterday the first known Nigerian to die of Ebola was recorded,” Chukwu told reporters in Abuja on Wednesday. “This was one of the nurses that attended to the Liberian. The other five [newly confirmed] cases are being treated at an isolation ward.”

Idris said this is the time “for everyone to be vigilant, especially with regard to relating to people who are ill.”

As Bloomberg reports,

Most international airlines flying to West Africa in the grip of the deadly Ebola outbreak are counting on stepped-up passenger screening as they continue serving the region. Air France fliers in some cities must complete health questionnaires and be checked for symptoms, including an elevated temperature, before boarding cards are issued. Delta Air Lines Inc. said travelers are being checked at the airport in Monrovia, Liberia, one of the countries hit by Ebola. Only two airlines have suspended flights to West Africa so far, with British Airways opting yesterday to join Gulf carrier Emirates in pulling back.

U.S. carriers “that fly to the affected countries remain in steady contact with government agencies and health officials, and have procedures in place to monitor and quickly respond to potential health concerns,” said Victoria Day, a spokeswoman for the Washington-based Airlines for America trade group.

Barack Obama says that Ebola is "not something that is easily transmitted" and that everything is under control...

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I made my point and do not feel the need to repeat myself.

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I am biased against liars and posers - whoever and wherever they are, US, Russia, RWED.

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Actually Australia isn't Russia. And I'd still be distrustful. Would you trust that they would be forward and complete with any anti-government news? And because saying it 5 times is never enough around here: I am distrustful of all "news" outlets. They all have agendas.

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Actually Australia isn't Russia. And I'd still be distrustful. Would you trust that they would be forward and complete with any anti-government news? And because saying it 5 times is never enough around here: I am distrustful of all "news" outlets. They all have agendas.

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Thanks for reminding me of that.

They are often accused by governments of being anti government, so that's kind of funny.

Yes, all news is inherintly biased, but being government funded doesn't necessarily make it more pro or anti government than a privately owned news source.

I give you Fox as an example of a blatantly biased news source.

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There's definite distinction between government run and gov funded, and certainly even more between either of those in Russia versus the same in AU.

Another update on freedom of speech in Russia:

https://twitter.com/NataliaAntonova
"According to @Izvestia - all access to public WiFi will now be regulated. Russians will have to input passport data in every cafe. OK, wow."

They took away their brie and now their wifi.... man, darker and darker.

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Parsing Obama's Answer on the Unfairness of Giving Ebola Serum to Americans Before Africans

"And the countries that have been affected are the first to admit that what's happened here is that their public health systems have been overwhelmed."

But he's not gonna stand up and say, "We're not gonna share it." He's gonna stand up and say they know they don't want it. They know enough to know that they don't know what to do with it. They know enough to know that their health care systems are so shoddy that they wouldn't be able to use it anyway. So he's hiding behind them. These three African countries, he's gonna deny it to 'em. But he wants everybody to believe that they are telling him that they don't want it. That's what that means. When you hear him say anything like this ever, "And they'll be the first to admit, these countries that have been affected by this, they'll be the first to admit that what's happened here is that they're a bunch of hellholes and they don't know what they're doing and they're not worth saving and they can't get this."

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/08/07/parsing_obama_s_answer_on
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You must be pro Russian. Or anti American. Or both. Commie jihadist scum.

You will never ever be allowed to claim any facts ever again that won't be dismissed out of hand because - well - who they think you are is more important than what the facts are.

Their agenda is all. Facts are nothing. Get used to it.= KIKI

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Having seen snippets of American news, I can say that most of it appears to be SHOCKINGLY and ALARMINGLY biased in a way that is less common here. There seems to be a blurring between opinion and news, which often feels more distinct over here.
So it's no bad thing to look to different sources for information.

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Denmark having a seat at the big boy table for the first time because of the fact that half or so of the 300 people killed were from there.

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You must be pro Russian. Or anti American. Or both. Commie jihadist scum.

You will never ever be allowed to claim any facts ever again that won't be dismissed out of hand because - well - who they think you are is more important than what the facts are.

Their agenda is all. Facts are nothing. Get used to it.= KIKI

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Are these quotes from THUGR from other threads? I confess, I find myself baffled. They seem to express THURGR's (or maybe G's) most ideological/ authoritarian moments, and they're very specific, but they're not from this thread.

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(Reuters) - West Africa's Ebola epidemic is an "extraordinary event" and now constitutes an international health risk, the World Health Organization (WHO) said on Friday.

The Geneva-based U.N. health agency said the possible consequences of a further international spread of the outbreak, which has killed almost 1,000 people in four West African countries, were "particularly serious" in view of the virulence of the virus.

"A coordinated international response is deemed essential to stop and reverse the international spread of Ebola," the WHO said in a statement after a two-day meeting of its emergency committee on Ebola.

The declaration of an international emergency will have the effect of raising the level of vigilance on the virus.

"The outbreak is moving faster than we can control it," the WHO's director-general Margaret Chan told reporters on a telephone briefing from the WHO's Geneva headquarters.

"The declaration ... will galvanize the attention of leaders of all countries at the top level. It cannot be done by the ministries of health alone."

The agency said that, while all states with Ebola transmission - so far Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria and Sierra Leone - should declare a national emergency, there should be no general ban on international travel or trade.

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After an experimental drug was administered to two U.S. charity workers who were infected in Liberia, Ebola specialists urged the WHO to offer such drugs to Africans. The U.N. agency has asked medical ethics experts to explore this option next week. [ID:nL6N0QB5UH]

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Your first post, you said "actually" as if to correct my assertion that Gov influenced news was not to be trusted. You cited Aussie ABC. To me, that was not an equivalent, so I felt I needed to make distinctions even further - I wouldn't think I'd have to point out the differences between Russia & Aus, or between funded and controlled, but clarity is good.
Fox is horrible, it is known. They invented the "bias posing as news" format as far as I can tell. It's worse on our radio. If you have never listened to Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh then you have not heard just how bad it can be. Both of these people have a mind blowing number of listeners and their message is basically the same every day: "Obama Sucks!" I can only listen for a few minutes before it's just too much to take. If you REALLY want to hear how bad it can be, I suggest you have a quick listen.

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You obviously aren't comprehending (or reading my posts) - thanks you. The fact that those are Kiki's words makes it all the more funny. Wait for it... wait for Kiki to come in and spin her post to deflect her intentions. What really seems to have galled her is my belief that you shouldn't trust government controlled media. That's how absurd her line of thinking is.

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In crisis situations, rumour mills – long a prominent feature of daily life in Nigeria – take on a frenetic urgency. Add the push and reach of social media and the impact grows exponentially. The least any responsible government can do is make available accurate and credible information.

Yet when I attended a briefing by senior officials of the Lagos state government on the rising threat of the deadly Ebola virus in Africa’s most populated city yesterday, I found journalists struggling to confirm exactly how many lives had been affected by the outbreak so far.

The Lagos commissioner put the total number of confirmed cases (including fatalities) at eight, but the number released earlier in the day by the federal authorities in Abuja, Nigeria’s capital, seven hundred kilometres away, was seven.

Given that the number victims of the worst Ebola outbreak in history had risen to at least 932 across four countries, according to the World Health Organisation, some might say a difference of one is a modest discrepancy.

But I imagine that not a few minds in the press briefing audience silently toyed with this thought: if there are two different figures, it must mean that at least one is wrong. And if one is wrong, then both could easily be wrong. If both are wrong, what else might be wrong?

A similar, albeit much worse scenario comes to mind. In the nine weeks it took Nigeria’s federal government to officially determine and announce the exact number of schoolgirls kidnapped by terrorists in northern Nigeria in April, several conflicting figures emerged. The profusion of different numbers permitted one false view to gain currency – the suggestion that perhaps it was all fiction, there were no girls missing, and the alleged abduction was a ruse meant to embarrass Nigeria’s president in front of the world.

Ten years ago, a number of Muslim-dominated states in northern Nigeria suspended polio vaccination programmes, alleging that the vaccines were a western strategy to render Muslim girls infertile. It took great effort by the federal government and the international community to mount an information campaign that would convince state governments and residents of those states that the rumours were false. By then of course the damage had been done – a sharp rise in polio infection rates followed.

Today, religion still holds great power in shaping crisis narratives. In response to the news that a Liberian man had brought the Ebola virus to Nigeria, a Pentecostal preacher took to Facebook to post a message claiming that “at the Name of Jesus, Ebola will bow out!”

The post drew loud condemnation, causing the preacher to add a clarification, insisting that he was “not in anyway an attempting to deny the existence of the virus in Nigeria, or to encourage anyone to seek interaction with the virus.”

But there was also strong support as well, for his views. One commenter posted: “God is not man, believe Him, He will defend His words.” Since then I’ve sighted at least one similar message circulating on mobile phones, saying that “Jesus brings life, Ebola brings death. Choose life!!!

In Liberia, where more than 300 people have been infected in the Ebola outbreak, President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf this week called for a three-day stint of fasting and prayer to ask for divine intervention against the disease.

The implications are obvious. If Ebola victims choose to believe that the solution to Ebola actually lies in churches, mosques or with traditional healers (which, in the absence of a medical cure, is not such a farfetched scenario), they will flock to these places in search of healing, dramatically raising the chances of an outbreak of a real epidemic.

In the earlier stages of the outbreak, confusion about the origins of the disease combined with distrust of Western medical intervention to trigger anger and mass protests in Sierra Leone. Some relatives of victims kidnapped their loved ones from hospital, apparently in an attempt to offer them better treatment at home from traditional healers.

Governments clearly have a role to play in decisively countering observed and impending misinformation with correct and timely information. Which would explain why the Lagos state government has since visited the headquarters of at least two prominent Pentecostal churches, to dissuade them from actions or teachings that might undermine efforts to check the spread of the virus.

Generally, the way a government manages information in a crisis is a proxy for its capacity to manage the crisis proper. It doesn’t take long for public perception to boil down to a single question: how does one expect a government that can’t properly manage a symptom (the flow of information) to convincingly manage the underlying condition (be it rampaging terrorists or a viral hemorrhagic condition like Ebola)?

So far the Lagos state and federal governments have held regular press briefings, and launched a telephone helpline, and Twitter and Facebook pages – all of these are much welcome, as is the assurance by the state government to cooperate with the federal government.

If the discrepancy over victim numbers is put aside, the unusual urgency, honesty and transparency demonstrated thus far in managing information has been impressive, but will need to be kept up in the weeks and months ahead, as the temptation to succumb to a habitual official tardiness or tightlipped-ness mounts.

In theory, accepting that lying to the public or obfuscating issues is not an option should serve to encourage governments to refrain from action they might have to lie about. The net effect of that stance for Nigeria’s governments would be a greater quality of action; the very thing the country needs the most to stand a fighting chance in the face of an enemy as lethal as Ebola.

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You linked to a "End of America" web site as providing definitive information - "REALLY???" You really trust those obvious nut job sites?

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It wasnt necessarily for you, not everything is for you.
It builds a picture of the Russian press and what their civilians are being told. I would think you might be interested in that.

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Christ, you keep coming back to "I predicted..." get over yourself. These are real events affecting real people and you keep wanting brownie points for guessing. You are so far removed and safe you act like they only exist to help you prove what a brilliant person you are. It's not about you - do you get that?

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So don't you think the 'my sources and more trustworthy than your sources' argument has been kind of thrashed to death now?

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BTW Ad hominem means to attack the man (or woman) rather than address the argument. It doesn't mean you are right or wrong, but you've chosen to get personal rather than discuss the subject.

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