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Rape culture is a phrase used to describe a culture in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender, sex, and sexuality.[1][2]

Examples of behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, sexual objectification, trivializing rape, denial of widespread rape, or refusing to acknowledge the harm of certain forms of sexual violence that do not conform to certain stereotypes of stranger or violent rape.

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Originally posted by kpo:
What do people think?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-28958365

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And what's the name of the culture in the black community which perpetuates black on black crimes, and is having a actual REAL WORLD impact on the lives of so many, in contrast to this clap trap of a phony, 100% fabricated ' rape culture' ??

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And what's the name of the culture in the black community which perpetuates black on black crimes, and is having a actual REAL WORLD impact on the lives of so many, in contrast to this clap trap of a phony, 100% fabricated ' rape culture' ??

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And what's the name of the culture in the black community which perpetuates black on black crimes, and is having a actual REAL WORLD impact on the lives of so many, in contrast to this clap trap of a phony, 100% fabricated ' rape culture' ??

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Trying to change the subject yet again?


Call me if anyone interesting shows up.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I dont know whether it has to be an either/either scenario. If you want to use the nail polish, fine. But that in no way takes away from changing attitudes both about sex and consent and about societal attitudes towards women.

Partially the response comes from the way that rape has traditionally been viewed, and still often is...that women need to dress/act/behave in certain ways to ensure that they dont get raped. The inference being...if you dont do those things and get raped, it's your fault. This victim blaming is a prevalent attitude in the media and in the public in general, and there have been many instances of victim blaming on this board.

The other perspective is to stop focusing on how women can protect themselves, and focus more on changing societal attitudes towards rape and women's bodies as being objectified for male consumption.

Nail varnish and other rape prevention paraphenalia only focus on stranger rape scenarios, when of much higher prevelance is rape by someone the victim knows, and often trusts.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
You really think women are currently 'willing victims'? I hope not.

Why should women be held to different behaviour standards to men, just because some men feel entitled to use women's bodies regardless of consent? Why should women have to worry about what they wear, where they go, how much they drink, how they behave when men dont have these concerns lest they be raped?

When was the last time any males on this board worried about whether their clothes were too revealing or sent the wrong 'message' or if you had one drink too many, or two that your arse'd get raped?

I suggest you walk a mile in someone else's shoes to understand the real injustices.

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I'd like to draw a distinction between victim blaming, which generally has a moralistic tone, and criticism of people not taking care of their personal safety. A woman should be able to dress how she likes, dance how she likes, sleep with who she likes etc, and not be raped because of it. But, as with any serious crime, people ought not to carelessly put themselves in dangerous situations. If a man or woman walks in a dangerous area at night, they are putting themself at risk of being robbed, or killed. Is it victim blaming for me to point that out?

There is a serious problem of male on female rape in our society. This is a sad reality, and in my opinion women should be advised to guard against it. The flip side of this, is that if women don't take these precautions, people will criticise them for it. But this is true for any careless crime victim, of any gender. Is it unfair to women? No. What's unfair to women is that they have a whole other violent crime to worry about, that men don't. And that they have to take special care to protect themselves against it.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Discussion of violence by men towards women mostly talks about the woman's role in that violence. If she was raped, what did she do that led to that rape? If she was a victim of family violence, why did she stay? What led psychological scars led her to choose a violent partner? Even a recent rape/murder case led to discussions by some about whether the woman had brought about her own demise. http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/stop-blaming-women-for-the-violence-the
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I can't think of an example of similar victim blaming when men have been the victim of violence. If a man gets murdered while out drinking, the discourse will be about what a violent society we have become, not 'well he shouldn't have been drinking'.

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Feminists seek to change that discourse away from'what women can do to prevent rape' - which ultimately means restrictions on female behaviour all the way to not leaving the house without a male escort and covering yourself in a burkah - restrictions which have been brought about to 'protect' women from rape

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If your beliefs include 'sometimes women have deserved to be raped, or brought about a rape' and 'men can't change' YOU are actively supporting a rape culture.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Sadly, your views do contribute to rape culture.

No one deserves to be raped or killed.
Jill Meagher did what many, many men and women do every weekend. Walk home after a drink with friends. She was let down by a system that let a violent, repeat offender rapist walk free.
Family violence is not complicated. It is illegal to assault someone. No one deserves to be assaulted.
The fault of violence lies with the perpetrator, not the victim. It's really very clear.

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In the end, protection has always been control dressed up.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
You really think women are currently 'willing victims'? I hope not.

Why should women be held to different behaviour standards to men, just because some men feel entitled to use women's bodies regardless of consent? Why should women have to worry about what they wear, where they go, how much they drink, how they behave when men dont have these concerns lest they be raped?

When was the last time any males on this board worried about whether their clothes were too revealing or sent the wrong 'message' or if you had one drink too many, or two that your arse'd get raped?

I suggest you walk a mile in someone else's shoes to understand the real injustices.

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:


I can never understand what it means to be a woman, to have to deal with the objectification every day. That doesn't mean I can't rail against rape culture and help to stamp it out, though.

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Originally posted by kpo:

I agree that no one deserves to be raped or killed, and that the blame for the crime lies entirely with the perpetrator. I don't see a contradiction between that, and criticising victims when they make choices regarding their personal safety that put themselves at risk.

How I see it:

Victim choosing what to wear, how to dance, how to act and enjoy themselves = Life choice

Victim choosing how to get home late at night in strange area = Personal safety choice

Criticising one is not the same as criticising the other.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

You miss the point. The issue is about changing the discourse from one which puts the onus on women being responsible for being raped or not being raped, to looking for solutions to prevent men from raping women.

You know, we've heard it all since pre puberty. Every women and girl has. The huge list of rules which govern our lives. Women are accutely aware of their own personal safety. It doesn't prevent them from getting raped, which can happen to little old ladies dressed in twin sets in their own home wiht locks on the door. So lets change this conversation about how we should dress, where we should be or not be, who we should be with, how we should behave to thinking and talking about rape prevention that focuses on the perpetrators.

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