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It had been described in great detail - nearly frame by frame - back when the first video was released, so it's not as if nobody knew about this or saw it.

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The NFL is a racket, the very definition of an organized crime syndicate. These idiots are lionized and paid millions for being aggressive, for getting the big hit on another person, and then people act surprised when shit like this comes out.

Hey, at least he didn't straight-up murder her like some other players have. Well, he didn't murder her quite yet, anyway.

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Apparently, it IS worse to strike a woman in an elevator and knock her out cold!!


Good for the Ravens for letting this thug go.

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Well, let's wait for the court system to render its full judgment before we act. Wait, the courts already did that too?

Ray Rice is lucky he didn't call his wife a gay slur while she was knocked out. Because then the NFL really would have been mad. He might not play this season. Based on the precedent the Minnesota Vikings set with Mike Preifer, he certainly would have missed more games for merely uttering a gay slur than for knocking out a woman.

What if Rice had paused while dragging his wife's body out of the elevator and sent a mean text or tweet, then the NFL would have really laid down the law, too. Remember mean words are much worse than mean acts. Or, God forbid, imagine if Ray Rice had gotten free tattoos at Rutgers and the NFL found out about it. Then, like Terrelle Pryor, he might have faced a five-game NFL suspension. Hell, Pryor could have knocked out two women and only missed four games.

And don't even get me started on the NFL's absurd drug-testing policy suspensions. If you smoke too much weed you can miss an entire NFL season. That's the equivalent of knocking out eight women. (Ten if your team advances deep in the playoffs). How in the world is it eight times as bad to smoke too much weed as it is to knock out a woman? Is there any person on earth who agrees with these disparate punishments? Keep in mind, weed is not even a performance enhancing substance, it makes you worse at the game. Here's what the NFL's drug policy should be -- use any drugs you want if they don't improve player performance.

That's your risk, we don't care. But that's another column, this one is about stupidity, the NFL's in particular. Somehow we've reached the point where violent acts are much less severely punished than mean words or texts or tattoos or bad jokes about gay people during practices.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/ray-ric
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But there is that whole month where players promote Breast Cancer awareness, so I guess it's all good, huh ?

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Ahhh, he should have been charged. or is assault against your partner still legal in America? Coz you know women like that kind of thing, right Jongs?

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Unfortunately, I still meet many women who do crave this. Apparently, smacking your partner shows that you care enough, that you are invested in the woman, or the RELATIONSHIP enough. If you didn't tune her up every once in a while, that means the guy just doesn't care enough. And of course, the make up sex is GREAT. Or so they say.
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Ahhh, he should have been charged. or is assault against your partner still legal in America? Coz you know women like that kind of thing, right Jongs?

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Unfortunately, I still meet many women who do crave this. Apparently, smacking your partner shows that you care enough, that you are invested in the woman, or the RELATIONSHIP enough. If you didn't tune her up every once in a while, that means the guy just doesn't care enough. And of course, the make up sex is GREAT. Or so they say.
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No, you're fucking depressing.

What a neanderthal attitude. Glad you are far away from me.

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It had been described in great detail - nearly frame by frame - back when the first video was released, so it's not as if nobody knew about this or saw it.

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Per usual, you're wrong. The elevator cam recording wasn't released until just recently. So, only a few people actually DID see it.

Point I and damn well everyone else was making is that the NFL obviously had seen this video too, but chose to only suspend Rice for 2 games, since the public only saw the outside recording, and there was some speculation as to what actually took place before the elevator doors opened.

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And I'm pretty sure it was MSNBC who said take the stairs too, so I guess that's sage advice from everyone.

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that the second video was known about and had been seen.

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You're only making it worse for you.

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It had been described in great detail - nearly frame by frame - back when the first video was released, so it's not as if nobody knew about this or saw it.

The NFL is a racket, the very definition of an organized crime syndicate. These idiots are lionized and paid millions for being aggressive, for getting the big hit on another person, and then people act surprised when shit like this comes out.

Hey, at least he didn't straight-up murder her like some other players have. Well, he didn't murder her quite yet, anyway.

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Ahhh, he should have been charged. or is assault against your partner still legal in America? Coz you know women like that kind of thing, right Jongs?

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Unfortunately, I still meet many women who do crave this. Apparently, smacking your partner shows that you care enough, that you are invested in the woman, or the RELATIONSHIP enough. If you didn't tune her up every once in a while, that means the guy just doesn't care enough. And of course, the make up sex is GREAT. Or so they say.
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No, you're fucking depressing.

What a neanderthal attitude. Glad you are far away from me.

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How do you arrive at this position? JSF didn't endorse or approve of such attitudes, in the least. In fact, he called it depressing, and left no doubt that he was against it.

But you seem to think that JUST saying such things happen is on par w/ condoning such action.

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If due diligence was done by the NFL, then a 2 game suspension after seeing this video was beyond a joke. That's been MY point all along.

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NFL Commish has just come out and broken his silence on the matter.

He claims that neither he nor anyone in the NFL head office got a chance to see latest video before it was released.

Welp, that's what he said, folks.

Anyone buy that ? I sure as hell don't.


The NFL, the richest sports league in all the world, can't find a way to get to the bottom of a well publicized violent attack against a woman by one of its own players ? In Atlantic City ? A CASINO in Atlantic City ?

REALLY ???

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You don't get it.
Everybody should only listen to the facts as filtered thru EvilJesus and his news sources. You must not be allowed to develop your own opinion or judgement, you must blindly accept and adhere to the facts as presented with the filter that EvilJesus uses. No objective observations of the video should be considered, just use the first on-the-fly fifth-hand source that EvilJesus heard rumors about.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

NFL Commish has just come out and broken his silence on the matter.

He claims that neither he nor anyone in the NFL head office got a chance to see latest video before it was released.

Welp, that's what he said, folks.

Anyone buy that ? I sure as hell don't.


The NFL, the richest sports league in all the world, can't find a way to get to the bottom of a well publicized violent attack against a woman by one of its own players ? In Atlantic City ? A CASINO in Atlantic City ?

REALLY ???

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Are you planning to round up a posse and lynch the poor, unarmed innocent defendant...?

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And I'm pretty sure it was MSNBC who said take the stairs too, so I guess that's sage advice from everyone.

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Ben Carson wants us to stop "demonizing" Ray Rice.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/ben-carson-ray-rice-110724.html

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Roger Goodell made a very bad assumption when he chose not to contact the casino to request a copy of the Ray Rice elevator video -- because law enforcement tells TMZ Sports ... that would have been perfectly legal.

Goodell said Tuesday he did not contact the Revel Casino because it was his understanding "the casino is prohibited from turning over material to a third party during a law enforcement proceeding" -- namely the criminal case against Rice.

But Paul Loriquet, the Director of Communications for the New Jersey Attorney General, tells TMZ bluntly, "No, it's not illegal."

To be clear ... our question was very specific: "Is it illegal for the casino to show or provide this material to a private entity in an ongoing investigation." His answer, "No, it's not illegal."

Mind you ... the NFL has some of the best lawyers in the country. It's inconceivable they didn't do basic legal research to either validate or invalidate Goodell's assumptions.

TMZ broke the story ... Goodell NEVER even bothered to ask the casino for the video -- something he's now acknowledged.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/10/roger-goodell-video-casino-ray-rice/#ixz
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She looks a little like Anna Faris.

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You'll be hiding UNDER your bunk, ya big fuckin' coward.

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How do you arrive at this position? JSF didn't endorse or approve of such attitudes, in the least. In fact, he called it depressing, and left no doubt that he was against it.

But you seem to think that JUST saying such things happen is on par w/ condoning such action.

Utter nonsense.

I think you need to re-read what JSF said, and put away your knee jerk reactions to name call here.

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No concern, no urgency , no compassion for what he'd just done.

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It was more like..." Yeah, here we go again."

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Lotta women stay in abusive relationships , and that's a fact. Though 'crave' such abuse, I have to admit, does seem a bit daft.

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Kudos to the imagery !

Meanwhile...

I didn't see this, but heard about it...

“Two years ago I challenged the NFL community and all men to seriously confront the problem of domestic violence, especially coming on the heels of the murder-suicide of Kansas City Chiefs football player Jovan Belcher and his girlfriend Kasandra Perkins. Yet, here we are again dealing with the same issue of violence against women.

Now let's be clear, this problem is bigger than football. There has been, appropriately so, intense and widespread outrage following the release of the video showing what happened inside the elevator at the casino. But wouldn't it be productive if this collective outrage, as my colleagues have said, could be channelled to truly hear and address the long-suffering cries for help by so many women? And as they said, do something about it? Like an on-going education of men about what healthy, respectful manhood is all about.

And it starts with how we view women. Our language is important. For instance, when a guy says, ‘you throw the ball like a girl' or ‘you're a little sissy,' it reflects an attitude that devalues women and attitudes will eventually manifest in some fashion. Women have been at the forefront in the domestic violence awareness and prevention arena. And whether Janay Rice considers herself a victim or not, millions of women in this country are.

Consider this: According to domestic violence experts, more than three women per day lose their lives at the hands of their partners. That means that since the night of February 15th in Atlantic City more than 600 women have died.

So this is yet another call to men to stand up and take responsibility for their thoughts, their words, their deeds, and as Deion [Sanders] says, to give help or to get help, because our silence is deafening and deadly.”

- James Brown CBS Sports.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24705864/james-brown-deli
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How do you arrive at this position? JSF didn't endorse or approve of such attitudes, in the least. In fact, he called it depressing, and left no doubt that he was against it.

But you seem to think that JUST saying such things happen is on par w/ condoning such action.

Utter nonsense.

I think you need to re-read what JSF said, and put away your knee jerk reactions to name call here.

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in response to discussions like this. It shows a disgraceful attitude, as well as an unbelievably ignorant one about the impact of abuse and violence on people who experience it in their intimate relationships.

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Yes, as I mentioned before, I too am distressed and disgusted when women make these claims that they feel the emotional need to experience violence in order to believe their partner cares about them or loves them. But just because their claims and statements are distressing, disgusting and depressing, does not mean that I should discount, disregard, dismiss, or disrespect their feelings, needs, or societal hangups. You should do more to listen to these women if you really care about them, instead of insulting them and degrading their perspective as if it should not be stated or exposed to the light of day.

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"There's two sides to every story," said the 23-year-old waitress from Baltimore. "I saw the video. That's their personal business, and it shouldn't have affected his career. I don't agree with domestic violence, but she's still with him, so obviously it wasn't that big of a deal. Everyone should just drop it."

Ravens fans male and female, young and old, arrived for Thursday night's game against the Pittsburgh Steelers debating the events that have affected their team over the last few days. Their once beloved running back has been kicked off the team and banned by the NFL after a video surfaced that showed him punching his then-fiancee - and now wife - inside an Atlantic City hotel elevator.

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I"m wondering if anyone here got a chance to hear or see the responses by Raven's fans, who showed up at the game wearing Ray Rice's old #.

One woman actually said that if she struck her b/f or husband, she'd expect to be hit back.

Blind adherence and loyalty to one's team or tribe, what ever, makes folks do and say some strange things.

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"There's two sides to every story," said the 23-year-old waitress from Baltimore. "I saw the video. That's their personal business, and it shouldn't have affected his career. I don't agree with domestic violence, but she's still with him, so obviously it wasn't that big of a deal. Everyone should just drop it."

Ravens fans male and female, young and old, arrived for Thursday night's game against the Pittsburgh Steelers debating the events that have affected their team over the last few days. Their once beloved running back has been kicked off the team and banned by the NFL after a video surfaced that showed him punching his then-fiancee - and now wife - inside an Atlantic City hotel elevator.

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Yes, as I mentioned before, I too am distressed and disgusted when women make these claims that they feel the emotional need to experience violence in order to believe their partner cares about them or loves them. But just because their claims and statements are distressing, disgusting and depressing, does not mean that I should discount, disregard, dismiss, or disrespect their feelings, needs, or societal hangups. You should do more to listen to these women if you really care about them, instead of insulting them and degrading their perspective as if it should not be stated or exposed to the light of day.

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I'm disgusted by you, you pompous moron. The women I have empathy for.


You're just a perpetrator in sheeps clothing. Worse than the man who punches and kicks because you don't face the consequences that they do, but in terms of being an enabler, you are right up there. I feel for the women in your life, and I hope they find the strength to piss you off real soon.

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Yes, as I mentioned before, I too am distressed and disgusted when women make these claims that they feel the emotional need to experience violence in order to believe their partner cares about them or loves them. But just because their claims and statements are distressing, disgusting and depressing, does not mean that I should discount, disregard, dismiss, or disrespect their feelings, needs, or societal hangups. You should do more to listen to these women if you really care about them, instead of insulting them and degrading their perspective as if it should not be stated or exposed to the light of day.

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I'm disgusted by you, you pompous moron. The women I have empathy for.


You're just a perpetrator in sheeps clothing. Worse than the man who punches and kicks because you don't face the consequences that they do, but in terms of being an enabler, you are right up there. I feel for the women in your life, and I hope they find the strength to piss you off real soon.

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Perpetrator?
Because I grant the assumption to adult women that they can really, really, actually, make decisions for themselves, they can be self-arbiters of their situations, they can be responsible enough to choose their own partner instead of having somebody else choose for them, they choose to not constantly seek out those who beat them? Accepting that adult women are capable of reasoning, thinking, deciding, capable of making choices, and not just dumb drones makes me a perpetrator? How quaint of you to let us know just how low your expectations are of adult females, that they can only be victims and unthinking baby machine drones.

I am beginning to understand why you so often refuse to err on the side of freedom - you don't even think women in civilized society should have or strive for the freedom to make their own decisions in their lives. I don't know if you think you are the proper arbiter of whom they should mate with, or if you think only their father or other males in the family should be the sole deciders for them, but you certainly seem to think women should not have the freedom to decide for themselves (because they will choose wrong, according to your definition).

Any judgement I have of them is downgraded when they seek out and crave violence and my judgement is upgraded when they reject such behavior.
So far, in my life, I have successfully resisted the temptation to capitulate to the women who want to fight, and just slap them around to satisfy them. Instead, I just reject these women and let them go find the violent guys they crave. Their need to be violent has been too repugnant for me to change to their ideal, no matter how attractive they were to me.

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This doesn't sound like a NIKE sponsored deal. He had a contract with NIKE, which was cancelled, but I find it hard to believe they'd advertise 'wife beater' swaps for his jerseys. Maybe local merchants, but NIKE ?

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Hardy, a Carolina Panthers all-pro linebacker who was convicted in July on two counts of assault on a female and communicating threats, has faced no league suspension as he appeals that conviction. Last week, he played against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and recorded a sack.

Sunday morning, the Panthers deactivated Hardy, meaning he can't play against the Detroit Lions.


This comes after the Minnesota Vikings deactivated star running back Adrian Peterson in connection with his arrest on charges of reckless or negligent injury to a child. He is accused of disciplining his 4-year-old son by hitting him with a switch – a wooden rod or tree branch – causing cuts and bruises.

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