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Polar Express ( don't call it a Vortex ! )

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Monday, November 10, 2014 4:20 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Either way, ...it's gonna be cold.

Quote:



The battle over the polar vortex, and how it should be settled.


Is or isn’t the polar vortex behind the wave of Arctic air slamming into the Lower 48 this week? Depending on what meteorologists you ask, you’ll get a different answer.

AccuWeather says yes – this week’s cold snap is a manifestation of a southward sinking polar vortex. The Weather Channel, showing unusual restraint, has laid off the polar vortex Kool-aid.

Dan Satterfield, a meteorologist in Salisbury, says just stop it already in an appeal to media hyping the polar vortex.

So who’s right? To be sure, the polar vortex is involved in this week’s cold snap – like it is in most cold snaps involving Arctic air. But this is not one of the more rare, high impact cases in which a huge chunk of the vortex breaks off and charges towards the U.S.-Canadian border bringing exceptional cold.

My view is that, to guard against overuse of the term, we should reserve calling special attention to the vortex to those cases in which its behavior is extreme.



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Monday, November 10, 2014 5:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


a few areas - cooler than usual

most areas, warmer than usual

because rappy gets so confused about days, months, years, local, national and global






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, November 10, 2014 5:05 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


18 years and how many months of no global warming ?

Early snows, cold temps, across much of the country... January temps in early November.


I see a trend. Hope the glaciers don't cover NYC again. That sucked last time that happened.

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Monday, November 10, 2014 5:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


as for last month - most of the country was warmer than normal






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, November 10, 2014 5:08 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm sure you have scientific cites for all of your RapFacts®.
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
18 years and how many months of no global warming ? (Because global warming is a centuries- if not millenially-long phenomenon! according to little rappy, of course)

Early snows, cold temps, across much of the country... January temps in early November.


I see a trend. Hope the glaciers don't cover NYC again. That sucked last time that happened.






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, November 10, 2014 5:22 PM

AURAPTOR

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Winter is coming.

Turn on the weather , ding bat. The cold snap is already headed our way.

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Monday, November 10, 2014 10:57 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Winter is coming.


Minnesota's getting 5"-14" of snow. That must suck, but I guess they're used to it. Meanwhile, here in Ft. Lauderdale it's already dropped down to the low 80's. Gonna have to turn the pool heater on pretty soon..

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Tuesday, November 11, 2014 12:14 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

18 years and how many months of no global warming ?
Early snows, cold temps, across much of the country... January temps in early November.

I see a trend. Hope the glaciers don't cover NYC again. That sucked last time that happened.



So, no cites for these wonderful bits of (HA HA HA HA HA HA) information you're now running away from. Got it.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:17 PM

AURAPTOR

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You doubt that NYC sits where glaciers once towered over the landscape ?

Wow. Ignorant much ?

I swear, this is as challenging as shooting fish in a barrel.

January in November: Arctic blast to hit USA

It's baaack.

Whether or not it's dubbed a polar vortex, icy cold will spread across much of the central and eastern USA by next week, bringing temperatures more typical of January than November.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2014/11/07/typhoon-nuri-alaska-s
torm-aleutian-islands/18630885
/



Cold for January but in November

A cold snap worthy of January on the way even for Atlanta, and while rare, it's hardly unprecedented. Roughly 17 such November arctic invasions are in the record books even for places out West and up North where this one will be a long duration event with some new records.

We could have a couple "close calls" with snow or ice from the far north suburbs to the mountains between now and Turkey Day, but mainly mountains. I will cover specifics of precip and temps as always on the radio and on the 5 day forecast page of http://www.wsbradio.com/s/weather/

There look to be a couple of storm systems with CAD events-- cold air daming, known around here as "the wedge". Possible 'Miller B' type low pressure systems.
CAD wedge events are notoriously difficult to forecast and can result in forecasts of temp and/or precip that are way off the mark.

One cold wave may be followed by another before temperatures warm again before Thanksgiving.

However, it should be noted that model spread/inconsistency is becoming high, so trust in output/forecasts must be lower than usual for a while.

The true "Polar Vortex" stays way up North, but a piece of it breaks off and makes it to between Hudson Bay Canada and the Northern Great Lakes, which is not unusual, just unusually early.

Click on the maps and charts on left for more, remember they are a snap shot in time, and change every 6-12 hours, hence the need for updates on the radio and homepage.

The coming cold is two weeks earlier than the historic normal even for places up north, it will push snow cover above normal-- even for parts of the south between now and the 25th.

* On a national basis looks like the coldest November in at least 14 years and maybe 40 years.

Follow me on twitter @MellishMeterWSB.




* See that ? On a NATIONAL basis. Not anyone's own back yard, or just parts of the country, but THE ENTIRE GORRAM NATION !!!

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Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




18 years and how many months of no global warming ?
Early snows, cold temps, across much of the country... January temps in early November.
I see a trend. Hope the glaciers don't cover NYC again. That sucked last time that happened.



Your BS - underlined, in green, for your education. Presumably, you can read.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:31 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Yeah, no global warming for 18+ years. That's a fact, babe. Deal w/ it.

And I do see the cold as a trend. That's called an OPINION. Again, deal w/ it. Or not. I don't care. There's no need for a 'cite', pin head.

And yes, where NYC sits, there once were glaciers. it DID suck the last time that happened. Unless you're a fan of glaciers in lower NY State. Not many folks would be.

Oh, are you so petty, so anal retentive, that you LITERALLY think I'm claiming that NYC has ever had to endure actual real glaciers, while it's been called NYC ? Or any other city, for that matter ?

My, you are a special kind of stupid. Only not the sort that Mal would appreciate. I know I don't.

( I see you left the ' January temps in November ' bit, but didn't underline them or use green. Why even bother posting, if I've already utterly disproved your asinine remarks ? You really do have nothing , at all, do you ? )

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Tuesday, November 11, 2014 11:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And you have scientific cites for all of you BS, I'm sure. Oh NO CITES? You're wrong. Deal with it.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Tuesday, November 11, 2014 11:42 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Oh look Rap, the deranged psycho waited 22 hours for you to respond to her, and then she was right there, right there within 4 minutes answering you again with more deranged psycho drivel.

I'm not sure, but methinks the deranged psycho-twat has a crush on you. Actually, more than a crush. More like a psycho-sexual obsession, and is using this forum for some demented form of self-gratifying cyber foreplay. The arguing, the name calling, the desperately maniacal need to taunt and one-up you for the silliest things at every opportunity can mean only one thing ...

She Loves You, yeah yeah yeah
She Loves You, yeah yeah yeah
She Loves You, yeah yeah yeah yeah

You think you wrote a post
Well she saw it yesterday
It's you she's thinking of
When she stalks you night and day

She says she loves you
And you know that can't be bad
Yes, she loves you
And you know you shouldn't be glad

She tries to hurt you so
She almost lost her mind
And now she surely knows
You're not the hurting kind

She says she loves you
And you know that can be sad
Yes, she loves you
And you know you shouldn't be glad, ooh

She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah
She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah
And with a love like that ....

You know ... you shouldn't be ..
Glaaaad
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah!

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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 2:28 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Kookie - are you mental ? Seriously. Seems that you are.

Either way, it's not about me, but rather your denial of the real world

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:23 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Good morning Bozeman , Montana!

Your wake up temp is - 9 degrees!

Have a great hump day!

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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


18 years and how many months of no global warming ?
Early snows, cold temps, across much of the country... January temps in early November.
I see a trend. Hope the glaciers don't cover NYC again. That sucked last time that happened.

And you have scientific cites for all of you BS, I'm sure. Oh NO CITES? You're wrong. Deal with it.





SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:44 PM

AURAPTOR

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I'm not wrong, kookie. You are.

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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



18 years and how many months of no global warming ?
Early snows, cold temps, across much of the country... January temps in early November.
I see a trend. Hope the glaciers don't cover NYC again. That sucked last time that happened.

And you have scientific cites for all of you BS, I'm sure. Oh NO CITES? You're wrong. Deal with it.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:22 PM

AURAPTOR

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You're wrong, I'm right.

Deal with it.

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Friday, November 14, 2014 7:54 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Woke up to 27 degrees this morning. Suppose to be another colder front moving in next week too.

And all before Thanksgiving.

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Friday, November 14, 2014 5:48 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Winter is coming.


Minnesota's getting 5"-14" of snow. That must suck, but I guess they're used to it. Meanwhile, here in Ft. Lauderdale it's already dropped down to the low 80's. Gonna have to turn the pool heater on pretty soon..


The news said that Gile, WI got 58 inches of snow in 5 days.

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Friday, November 14, 2014 8:48 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Rarely do we get such superlatives from the weather guys...


Let me just quote from the National Weather Service forecast office for Atlanta in Peachtree City because they put it well:

"First arctic blast underway...stronger blast to follow next week, what is in store is just plain ridiculous , brace yourselves, temps like this Tuesday and Wednesday in November is just craziness, just kind of miserable..."

The rain will end from west to east during the day Monday, and right after that we deal with another surge of very cold air. Not out of the question for a flake or two of snow to fall over the Mountains as it all ends and the colder air arrives, but for now there is no sign it will be anything of note. Temperatures should begin to fall late Monday afternoon with a gusty north wind, and by Tuesday morning we will be close to 20 degrees, with a wind chill index down in the single digits and teens.


http://www.wsbradio.com/weblogs/kirk-mellishs-weather-commentary/2014/
nov/14/one-cold-blast-follows-another
/



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, November 14, 2014 9:55 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rarely do we get such superlatives from the weather guys...


Let me just quote from the National Weather Service forecast office for Atlanta in Peachtree City because they put it well:

"First arctic blast underway...stronger blast to follow next week, what is in store is just plain ridiculous , brace yourselves, temps like this Tuesday and Wednesday in November is just craziness, just kind of miserable..."

The rain will end from west to east during the day Monday, and right after that we deal with another surge of very cold air. Not out of the question for a flake or two of snow to fall over the Mountains as it all ends and the colder air arrives, but for now there is no sign it will be anything of note. Temperatures should begin to fall late Monday afternoon with a gusty north wind, and by Tuesday morning we will be close to 20 degrees, with a wind chill index down in the single digits and teens.


Ah ha ... climate change at its most heinous! Time to boil some water AND make a plan for rationing the toilet paper.

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Saturday, November 15, 2014 12:03 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


normal low temperatures November:

http://wx.hamweather.com/maps/climate/normals/normmin/11/us.html

low temperatures now:



Not seeing a big difference.






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Saturday, November 15, 2014 1:10 AM

AURAPTOR

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10 degrees isn't a big difference, huh?

And yet 1/10th of a degree over a century is cause for massive calls to stop global warming ?

Funny.

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Saturday, November 15, 2014 1:19 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


N Central US is 10 degrees colder. SW US is 10 degrees warmer. You can't just focus on one area - like your backyard, or a small portion of the US - to declare that the country, or the globe, is colder. So, looking at the whole country, over all - yes, pretty much the same.

Oh, as for your RapFact® "1/10th of a degree over a century"

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_war
ming.html

• Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit ...





SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:31 AM

AURAPTOR

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using the weather maps YOU posted, -10 or more in most of the country, not just my back yard.

N. Dakota - 10
GA - 8
Washington - 7
N. Carolina - 8
Wyoming - 19


And so on, and so on...


And yes, there are average temps, vs 1 snap shot of one day, so that's hardly a fair comparison, either way. But you chose to run w/ it, so be it.

We can play this game again if you like, when another, colder Arctic blasts comes through the country.


A 1.4 F degree increase in 134 years. OMG!!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!

Who the hell says the Earth's temp is or ever will be exactly static ? Newsflash ! It NEVER WAS !

We can deal w/ slight variations, over a century or more. The Earth always has.


And yeah, to clarify -

Carbon Tax: Climatically Useless

By Chip Knappenberger -- December 3, 2012

“No matter how much you pay with a carbon levy, virtually nothing is received climatically…. No matter the level of domestic action that we take, it will pale in comparison to the rapid expansion of carbon dioxide emissions in other parts of the world.”

How much global warming will result from U.S. emissions over the course of this century, and how much of that could be prevented by a carbon tax? These two questions have the same simple answer—virtually none. One or two tenths of a degree a century out with–and without–a carbon tax makes the whole climate debate a peculiar exercise.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) estimates that the earth’s average temperature will increase somewhere between 1.1°C and 6.4°C over the 21st century, depending on the assumed pathway of anthropogenic emissions (both greenhouse gases and aerosols) and the actual (but unknown) climate sensitivity.

A temperature rise towards the low end of this range is not worth worrying too much about (the ‘lukewarming’ position), while a rise near the higher end of the range is potentially much more problematic (the alarmist position). And while lukewarmers and alarmists stray apart when it comes to the amount of climate change they are expecting, they are bound together by the fact that there is practically nothing that can be done to change the situation, either way. Why? They use the same math.

https://www.masterresource.org/carbon-tax/carbon-tax-climatically-usel
ess
/

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Saturday, November 15, 2014 2:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


N. Dakota - 10
GA - 8
Washington - 7
N. Carolina - 8
Wyoming - 19


And so on, and so on...



N CA +15
S CA +12
OR +13
AZ +24
NM +24
TX +39
OK +8
UT +16
MI +8
LA +8
FL +12
MS +5
TN +5

ND -6 (yours -10)
GA +5 (yours -8)
WA = (yours -7)
NC +5 (yours -8)
WY -17 (yours -19)
(by picking geographically equivalent points rather than the lowest point located in one place vs the highest point located somewhere else, I get a different result from you)

See how that goes?

So, WY a lot colder. More places - a lot warmer. Most places, a little warmer or about the same.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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