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Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:37 PM

AURAPTOR

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Sailors, airmen celebrate Thanksgiving amid Ebola quarantine

A Seabee chief mid-way through a 21-day quarantine after a West Africa deployment said spirits are high for the nearly 90 troops going through the Ebola quarantine — the first of its kind for military troops in the United States.

Their stay in an expeditionary compound at Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Virginia, is "like a vacation," the Seabee reported.

Chief Equipment Operator (SCW) Jason Knifley arrived at the compound from Liberia, Africa, on Nov. 13, along with 51 airmen, 26 sailors, four Marines and two soldiers. Medical screenings are held twice daily, and no one has shown any signs of infection.

Their compound has Wi-Fi throughout, as well as a basketball court, soccer field, gym, and an entertainment center with flat-screen televisions, video games, foosball and billiards. The Air Force's 633rd Air Base Wing even threw in the NFL Sunday Ticket package as well as some pay-per-view fights.

"Langley has done us pretty good over here," Knifley said in a phone interview. "This isn't bad at all."

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Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:39 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


A good idea.

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Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:40 PM

AURAPTOR

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The nurse who caused an Ebola scare that closed many Ohio schools and businesses is demanding a refund from the bridal shop she visited during her trip to Akron last month.

The attorney for Amber Vinson, the Texas nurse who traveled to Ohio after treating an Ebola patient, sent a letter to the owner of Coming Attractions Bridal and Formal shop in Akron requesting a refund of $480 in deposit money that her bridesmaids paid to the store for dresses for Vinson’s upcoming wedding.

The bridal shop closed for several weeks after being notified that Vinson had tested positive for Ebola. Anna Younker, owner of the Akron store, said she paid to have the shop cleaned using ultraviolet light technology. In addition, she lost business during the 21 days her store was closed and had customers cancel orders because of fears of infection.

When Younker received a letter from Vinson’s attorney, she thought it was an apology for the inconvenience she caused. The Beacon Journal reported:

Instead, Dallas attorney Stephen F. Malouf requested the refund and notified Younker that Vinson has decided to use another bridal store for her nine bridesmaids’ dresses “in order to minimize additional public scrutiny.”

“Would you kindly advise whether this is agreeable to Coming Attractions?” Malouf asked. “If it is not, would you ask your attorney to contact me to discuss this matter?”

“Are you kidding me?” Younker thought as she read the letter.

Younker said she never received a phone call from Vinson or any of her bridesmaids before getting the request from the attorney.

“This is like the icing on the cake for her to ask,” the bridal store owner said. “By canceling completely because she wants to go somewhere else, that’s like a slap in the face to me.”

The store’s policy typically prohibits refunds or order cancellations, but Younker said she makes exceptions in special circumstances.

“I couldn’t believe she didn’t at least call me and have some discussion on why,” Younker said. “Maybe I would have considered it differently.”

In the letter, Malouf acknowledged that “Amber’s Ebola infection brought significant attention to Coming Attractions, not all of it positive.”

Nevertheless, he asked for refunds of $107 for two of the bridesmaids and $132.92 for two other bridesmaids “due to the most unusual circumstances.” He said it would be best if Younker kept the matter “strictly confidential.”

Malouf said he tried to contact Younker before sending the letter. “I’m sorry that the shop is upset,” he said. “This was an effort to help the shop and Amber. Amber feels strongly that the publicity was such it was harming the business and she didn’t want to add any further scrutiny to it. This was a purely innocent request and I’m sorry it wasn’t received in the spirit in which it was sent.”

“If that’s how she feels, I can’t force her to continue to order,” Younker said. “But for me to hand over a refund, it’s not feasible. It doesn’t make sense. I’m out a lot of money.”

http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2014/11/26/ebola-nurse-demanding-a-refund
-for-bridesmaid-dresses/

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Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:44 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
A good idea.


But not a good idea if you're a nurse who was dealing w/ Ebola patients, huh?



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:46 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Ohio is stupid. And so are you.
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The nurse who caused an Ebola scare that closed many Ohio schools and businesses is demanding a refund from the bridal shop she visited during her trip to Akron last month.

The attorney for Amber Vinson, the Texas nurse who traveled to Ohio after treating an Ebola patient, sent a letter to the owner of Coming Attractions Bridal and Formal shop in Akron requesting a refund of $480 in deposit money that her bridesmaids paid to the store for dresses for Vinson’s upcoming wedding.

The bridal shop closed for several weeks after being notified that Vinson had tested positive for Ebola. Anna Younker, owner of the Akron store, said she paid to have the shop cleaned using ultraviolet light technology. In addition, she lost business during the 21 days her store was closed and had customers cancel orders because of fears of infection.

When Younker received a letter from Vinson’s attorney, she thought it was an apology for the inconvenience she caused. The Beacon Journal reported:

Instead, Dallas attorney Stephen F. Malouf requested the refund and notified Younker that Vinson has decided to use another bridal store for her nine bridesmaids’ dresses “in order to minimize additional public scrutiny.”

“Would you kindly advise whether this is agreeable to Coming Attractions?” Malouf asked. “If it is not, would you ask your attorney to contact me to discuss this matter?”

“Are you kidding me?” Younker thought as she read the letter.

Younker said she never received a phone call from Vinson or any of her bridesmaids before getting the request from the attorney.

“This is like the icing on the cake for her to ask,” the bridal store owner said. “By canceling completely because she wants to go somewhere else, that’s like a slap in the face to me.”

The store’s policy typically prohibits refunds or order cancellations, but Younker said she makes exceptions in special circumstances.

“I couldn’t believe she didn’t at least call me and have some discussion on why,” Younker said. “Maybe I would have considered it differently.”

In the letter, Malouf acknowledged that “Amber’s Ebola infection brought significant attention to Coming Attractions, not all of it positive.”

Nevertheless, he asked for refunds of $107 for two of the bridesmaids and $132.92 for two other bridesmaids “due to the most unusual circumstances.” He said it would be best if Younker kept the matter “strictly confidential.”

Malouf said he tried to contact Younker before sending the letter. “I’m sorry that the shop is upset,” he said. “This was an effort to help the shop and Amber. Amber feels strongly that the publicity was such it was harming the business and she didn’t want to add any further scrutiny to it. This was a purely innocent request and I’m sorry it wasn’t received in the spirit in which it was sent.”

“If that’s how she feels, I can’t force her to continue to order,” Younker said. “But for me to hand over a refund, it’s not feasible. It doesn’t make sense. I’m out a lot of money.”

http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2014/11/26/ebola-nurse-demanding-a-refund
-for-bridesmaid-dresses/


SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:06 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
A good idea.


But not a good idea if you're a nurse who was dealing w/ Ebola patients, huh?




Uh, no a good idea for anyone who is working with ebola patients.

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Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:15 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Ohio is stupid. And so are you.


An entire state is stupid because 1 selfish Ebola patient ?

And that has what to do w/ me ?

Inquiring minds ... don't really care what you think.

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Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:15 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
A good idea.


But not a good idea if you're a nurse who was dealing w/ Ebola patients, huh?




Uh, no a good idea for anyone who is working with ebola patients.


Gasp. We agree!

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Sunday, November 30, 2014 11:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"The nurse who caused an Ebola scare that closed many Ohio schools and businesses ... had customers cancel orders because of fears of infection ..."

Utter stupidity. And ... you seem to agree with it. That makes you ...

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, November 30, 2014 11:27 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


meh, I think there seemed like undue hysteria over the nursey incident, but think that a quarantine period is a reasonable concept - if for no other reason than to stop such hysteria.

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Sunday, November 30, 2014 11:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


As long as it's at government expense, I have no problems with it. But if government is going to demand it, it should at least foot the bill. Aside from which, in general people can't afford to lose 3 weeks pay.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 12:04 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
As long as it's at government expense, I have no problems with it. But if government is going to demand it, it should at least foot the bill. Aside from which, in general people can't afford to lose 3 weeks pay.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.


Pure trolling , there.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 12:18 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


whatever

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 12:51 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
As long as it's at government expense, I have no problems with it. But if government is going to demand it, it should at least foot the bill. Aside from which, in general people can't afford to lose 3 weeks pay.



Whoever sends workers should foott the bill, whether it be a private organisation or the government. If you go over on your own, then it's up to you to factor in the quarantine period. I think it's a reasonable enough precaution.

Personally, if it were me, I wouldn't want to have even a 1% possibility of spreading the disease. I wouldn't be able to live with myself.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 4:21 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Which is why I have no problems with soldiers being quarantined - it's just another place to be stationed, and they're paid.


http://mashable.com/2014/10/16/ebola-us-hospital-capacity/

America's 4 Ebola Hospitals Can Only Hold 9 Patients

These hospital people probably don't need quarantine.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/health/how-to-help-in-efforts-to-ste
m-ebolas-tide.html?_r=0

How to Help in Efforts to Stem Ebola’s Tide

Doctors Without Borders
International Medical Corps
International Red Cross
Partners in Health

These groups appear to be fielding personnel. Considering that they're non-profit orgs depending on donations and volunteers, I suspect their budgets couldn't take paid quarantine.


http://www.npr.org/2014/11/18/364934926/aid-groups-see-a-dropoff-in-u-
s-health-volunteers-to-fight-ebola

Aid Groups See A Drop-Off In U.S. Health Volunteers To Fight Ebola

The federal agency that oversees many American healthcare workers volunteering in Ebola-stricken regions of West Africa says there's been a significant decline in the number of people who are willing to go. International aid groups attribute that drop to the mandatory quarantine rules implemented by New York and New Jersey last month.

"Once the restrictions were issued, we definitely had people who said I'm going to have to back out," says Margaret Aguirre, the head of global initiatives at the International Medical Corps in Los Angeles. The group has about 30 healthcare workers volunteering in West Africa.

Aguirre says Ebola assignments can last six to eight weeks at a time because of all the safety training that's required. "Many of these people are volunteering their time. And to be able to ask them to leave their work and families for that long stretch of time — plus the three weeks, 21-day quarantine — that's just prohibitive for people. ... Gostin points out that Ebola patients are only contagious when they're showing symptoms of the disease. And he's worried that mandatory quarantine rules may ultimately hurt more than they help by discouraging volunteers. "I call this a kind of misguided self-interest," he says. "We think it's in our self-interest. But in fact, it's probably harmful to our own interests.""



I think it's a laughable international effort by the US (and other countries) in this crisis. The response is being patched together by charity organizations and volunteers? Really? And on top of that, US states are imposing quarantines and further choking off aid where it's needed the most.

When I think about it, in light of this information I found, yes indeed, the government should fund the quarantines.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 8:42 AM

AURAPTOR

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So a woman who treated an ebola patient, goes about and visits as small dress shop, orders a set of brides maids dresses. The shop then is forced to close down, pay for cleaning of the establishment, sending its workers home w/ out pay, who are also quarantined.

You think the govt should pay for all this ?

And the original ebola nurse who caused all this ? She wants the shop to cancel her order, because SHE feels embarrassed.

Nothing the shop did, nothing wrong w/ the service, she just wants them to give her $ back, and doesn't offer as much as a 'sorry for your inconvenience ' for all the trouble she caused them.

It makes PERFECT sense that 1kiki would say " let the govt pay ! ". Utter callous and selfish behavior on display here, and 1kiki is all in.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 9:50 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


" The shop then is forced to close down, pay for cleaning of the establishment, sending its workers home w/ out pay, who are also quarantined. "

Considering this was political theater, republicans should pay or it.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 10:25 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
" The shop then is forced to close down, pay for cleaning of the establishment, sending its workers home w/ out pay, who are also quarantined. "

Considering this was political theater, republicans should pay or it.




How was it political theatre ? What the hell do the GOP have to do w/ anything on this matter ?

You think the shop owner calculated all this , for political reasons ? Was it because the Ebola customer was black ? You think the shop chose willingly to shut down , lose business and not pay its employees as some dig at Obama ?

Where DO you get these crazy ass ideas ?


Seriously, your mental disorder may actually be getting worse.


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Monday, December 1, 2014 11:30 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


OK - let me explain it to you because apparently you've been infected with stupidity.

Vinson was not symptomatic. The shop was not contaminated. No one was at risk. It was fear-mongering for political reasons and nothing else that victimized the shop owner. You and your reicht-whinge buddies are responsible. So, you should pay.
Isn't that what you advocate? People pay their own way and not government? You should support this.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 1:18 PM

AURAPTOR

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How was it political ?

You can't / won't explain.

Try, or admit you are wrong & drop it.


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Monday, December 1, 2014 2:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I think most people understand the rather simple concept. And while I can explain it to you - again - I can't understand it for you.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 5:10 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sailors, airmen celebrate Thanksgiving amid Ebola quarantine

A Seabee chief mid-way through a 21-day quarantine after a West Africa deployment said spirits are high for the nearly 90 troops going through the Ebola quarantine — the first of its kind for military troops in the United States.

Another great first for The Tourettes-in-Chief.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 5:11 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
How was it political ?

You can't / won't explain.

Try, or admit you are wrong & drop it.

Her insanity is far too gone to be capable of that.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 5:14 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I think most people understand the rather simple concept. And while I can explain it to you - again - I can't understand it for you.



Your crazy is showing.

Quote:
A spokesperson for Coming Attractions Bridal and Formal in Akron, Ohio told WKYC 3 that it closed voluntarily after speaking with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It will not reopen until it gets an official's go-ahead.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ohio-bridal-store-closes-ebol
a-patient-visit-article-1.1977175


You've not sanely explained it ONCE, so your claim that you can do it again is text book coo coo- bananas.

Where is the political or financial upside for the shop to close, not pay its employees, go into self quarantine, pay for a the shop to be sterilized and only AFTER having done all that, have the Ebola nurse decide she wants HER $ back ?

The shop owner did everything RIGHT ! SHE paid for all this , and didn't ask for govt help. Nor did she ask the Ebola nurse to pay for anything either , just to fulfill her order.


Now HOW was any of this story connected to the bridal shop in the least bit POLITICAL.

2nd chance.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 5:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


whatever

Just because you feign (cough cough) stupidity doesn't mean other people can't understand. I think I've made the point with anyone who counts.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 5:55 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

whatever




Like, totally ! OMG !


Mind of a 13 yr old girl. And it shows.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 5:55 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I think most people understand the rather simple concept. And while I can explain it to you - again - I can't understand it for you.

Your crazy is showing.
Quote:
A spokesperson for Coming Attractions Bridal and Formal in Akron, Ohio told WKYC 3 that it closed voluntarily after speaking with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It will not reopen until it gets an official's go-ahead.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ohio-bridal-store-closes-ebol
a-patient-visit-article-1.1977175

You've not sanely explained it ONCE, so your claim that you can do it again is text book coo coo- bananas.

Where is the political or financial upside for the shop to close, not pay its employees, go into self quarantine, pay for a the shop to be sterilized and only AFTER having done all that, have the Ebola nurse decide she wants HER $ back ?

The shop owner did everything RIGHT ! SHE paid for all this , and didn't ask for govt help. Nor did she ask the Ebola nurse to pay for anything either , just to fulfill her order.

The shop owner was not only RIGHT, she acted RESPONSIBLY, unlike Vinson acting recklessly.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 5:58 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
whatever

Like, totally ! OMG !


Mind of a 13 yr old girl. And it shows.

Hey! You posted at he same time I did. There is at least one kuukuu around here that is going to have a fit about that.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 5:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


whatever

Just because you feign (cough cough) stupidity doesn't mean other people can't understand. I think I've made the point with anyone who counts.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 6:03 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
A good idea.

But not a good idea if you're a nurse who was dealing w/ Ebola patients, huh?

Uh, no a good idea for anyone who is working with ebola patients.

Gasp. We agree!

She was not marinating in libtard ignorance in the specific thread.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=58754

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Monday, December 1, 2014 6:11 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
whatever

Just because you feign (cough cough) stupidity doesn't mean other people can't understand. I think I've made the point with anyone who counts.



Too bad for you, those who count to you only exist INSIDE your brain, while the rest of us in the real world are on the outside.

Last chance. HOW was any thing the Bridal Shop did , after consulting with the CDC&P, remotely " political " ??

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Monday, December 1, 2014 6:22 PM

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Monday, December 1, 2014 6:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Magon's isn't a medical person. She based her ideas on what she would do.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/health/us-ebola-patient/

Duncan had direct contact with a pregnant woman stricken with Ebola on September 15
He departed the West African nation on September 19
he was on two United Airlines flights -- Flight 951 from Brussels to Washington Dulles and Flight 822 from Washington Dulles to Dallas-Fort Worth
After 10 p.m. Thursday, September 25 ... Duncan first walked into Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas ... he had a "low grade fever and abdominal pain"
he was admitted to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital ... On Sunday (September 28)
Health officials are reaching out to as many as 100 people who may have had contact with Duncan ... The number of direct contacts ... identified and ... monitored (was) "more than 12"


So, out of all the people in the airports, on those flights, all of the cabbies, the people in stores, all the places he went over 13 days, the people he lived with and visited - how many got Ebola?

The answer, in case you haven't worked it out for yourself - is zero.

The only two people who got Ebola were nurses who cared for him as he died, bleeding, shitting, peeing and coughing everywhere, leaving a miasma of highly infectious articles behind. As is true of Ebola patients in general.

Slight contact with an asymptomatic person - or even a mildly symptomatic person - isn't enough. And btw, this was borne out by experience. How many of those people who had contact with Duncan - as he traveled from continent to continent and went about his business, and visited the ER the first time - contracted Ebola, again? In case you forgot, the answer was - zero.

Finally, in case you didn't notice, Vinson was given permission by the CDC to travel. She didn't 'break' quarantine. And it turns out the CDC was right. How many people contracted Ebola from Vinson? How many? Hey, maybe you can answer the question.

So, who's being 'responsible'? The fear-mongers - like you - who cause damage to gain political traction?

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So, who's being 'responsible'? The fear-mongers - like you - who cause damage to gain political traction?


What damage did I cause? Please, cites.


What political traction did the bridal shop owner hope to gain by closing her business down for 3 weeks ?

I mean, AFTER she consulted the CDC&P, directly, and THEY told her it would be prudent for her to go through all those steps.

Go scurry up some more unrelated cut / paste material, because you're gonna need it.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 7:15 PM

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I mean, AFTER she consulted the CDC&P, directly, and THEY told her it would be prudent for her to go through all those steps.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ohio-bridal-store-closes-ebol
a-patient-visit-article-1.1977175

The CDC assured Younker and her employees that Vinson was not contagious at the time of her visit, she said.

But county health officials suggested she should disinfect the store with regular household product, the owner said.



The shop then is forced to close down, pay for cleaning of the establishment ...

http://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state-ohio/amber-joy-vinson-coming-attr
actions-bridal-and-formal-nurse-may-have-had-ebola-symptoms-at-shop

Only local health inspectors have been inside the bridal store since Thursday's discovery, and will work to clean it before it's set to reopen next week.



Now don't you feel silly getting caught making things up (cough RapFacts®) - AGAIN?

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Monday, December 1, 2014 7:26 PM

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So there rappy - how many people died because of Vinson? How many ended up in the hospital? How many even got a little sick from Ebola due to Vinson?

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Now don't you feel silly getting caught making things up (cough RapFacts®) - AGAIN?



What exactly did I " make up " ???

I had already posted this in the thread above...

A spokesperson for Coming Attractions Bridal and Formal in Akron, Ohio told WKYC 3 that it closed voluntarily after speaking with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It will not reopen until it gets an official's go-ahead.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ohio-bridal-store-closes-ebol
a-patient-visit-article-1.1977175

Apparently, reading it took too much out of your CRAZY time. Ya might want to see to that.


Also, you're still skirting the issue.

How is this REMOTELY political ?

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Monday, December 1, 2014 7:44 PM

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A spokesperson for Coming Attractions Bridal and Formal in Akron, Ohio told WKYC 3 that it closed voluntarily after speaking with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It will not reopen until it gets an official's go-ahead. The CDC assured Younker and her employees that Vinson was not contagious at the time of her visit, she said.

But county health officials suggested she should disinfect the store with regular household product, the owner said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ohio-bridal-store-closes-ebol
a-patient-visit-article-1.1977175


Apparently, reading a sentence that DIDN'T say the CDC told her to close the shop took too much out of your CRAZY time. And you failed to read the part IN YOUR OWN CITE that said the CDC told her it was OK, but that COUNTY officials told her to close the store. Ya might want to see to that.

Because, you see, they IMPLIED that they closed voluntarily BECAUSE of the CDC, but really only said it happened AFTER. And they said they were waiting for AN OFFICIAL to say it was safe to reopen - once again IMPLYING it was the CDC - when it fact it was a COUNTY official.


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So there rappy - how many people died because of Vinson? How many ended up in the hospital? How many even got a little sick from Ebola due to Vinson?




A better question is ... how much $ did the bridal shop spend , out of its own wallet, after consulting with the CDC & P to protect their employees and their customers ( in addition to the public perception ) all because they wanted to do the right thing ?

How much ? Being closed, paying for cleaning, losing business, bad PR... c'mon. Toss out a big round number. Entertain us.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 7:51 PM

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Eyes on reality:

How many people died because of Vinson? How many ended up in the hospital? How many even got a little sick from Ebola due to Vinson?

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Apparently, reading a sentence that DIDN'T say the CDC told her to close the shop took too much out of your CRAZY time. And you failed to read the part IN YOUR OWN CITE that said the CDC told her it was OK, but that COUNTY officials told her to close the store. Ya might want to see to that.

Because, you see, they IMPLIED that they closed voluntarily BECAUSE of the CDC, but really only said it happened AFTER. And they said they were waiting for AN OFFICIAL to say it was safe to reopen - once again IMPLYING it was the CDC - when it fact it was a COUNTY official.



OMG, you're such a complete effing nut case ! That's not what it says !

She checked the the CDC, closed her shop under their suggestion, and then re-opened after the local health inspectors gave it the O.K., the following week.

No one ever said, no one ever implied that the CDC or anyone from the local Health Dept ORDERED a closure.


Just admit you're wrong, about this, and about there being no political angle by the bridal shop, at all !!


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Monday, December 1, 2014 8:05 PM

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Please - point out to me where it says the CDC advised her to close the store.
Explicitly.

Because the only thing they're quoted as saying was that Vinson was not infectious.

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I posted the quote and the link 2x's now.


A spokesperson for Coming Attractions Bridal and Formal in Akron, Ohio told WKYC 3 that it closed voluntarily after speaking with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It will not reopen until it gets an official's go-ahead.



Make it 3x's now.


PWNED !!!

YOU show me where ANY of this is political.


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Monday, December 1, 2014 8:16 PM

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After speaking with ... and what did the CDC say? You have a quote on that?

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Monday, December 1, 2014 8:21 PM

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http://www.cleveland.com/akron/index.ssf/2014/11/akron_bridal_shop_re-
opens_hou.html

Younker said she checked with both the Center for Disease Control and Summit County Public Health, who advised her she didn't need to close the store. She decided to close and wait out the 21-day period after employees said they were uneasy.


Health officials told her to keep the store open. That whole thing about 'she decided' is why the term VOLUNTARY was used IN YOUR CITE.


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Monday, December 1, 2014 8:24 PM

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So - now we know what kind of sources you use. The misleading, slanted kind.

Oh wait - why is that news? You lap up FAUX after all.

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Monday, December 1, 2014 11:51 PM

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rappy:

The shop then is forced to close down, pay for cleaning of the establishment, sending its workers home w/ out pay, who are also quarantined.

The shop owner did everything RIGHT ! SHE paid for all this , and didn't ask for govt help.

Last chance. HOW was any thing the Bridal Shop did , after consulting with the CDC&P

I mean, AFTER she consulted the CDC&P, directly, and THEY told her it would be prudent for her to go through all those steps.

how much $ did the bridal shop spend , out of its own wallet, after consulting with the CDC & P

She checked the the CDC, closed her shop under their suggestion, and then re-opened after the local health inspectors gave it the O.K., the following week.


reality:

Younker said she checked with both the Center for Disease Control and Summit County Public Health, who advised her she didn't need to close the store. She decided to close and wait out the 21-day period after employees said they were uneasy.

Only local health inspectors have been inside the bridal store since Thursday's discovery, and will work to clean it before it's set to reopen next week.

On Sunday, the bridal shop looked like a "Star Trek" set. Bright blue light beamed from five ultraviolet ray machines in an operation designed to eliminate any possible trace of the Ebola virus. It's called a TORCH UV system from New Jersey-based ClorDiSys Solutions Inc. The Younkers say a team spent about five hours performing the service free of charge.

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Kiki - I'm right, you're wrong,& all you're trying to do now is bury the issue with spam posts & trolling

How was any of this political, as YOU claimed ??????

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Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:06 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


rappy:

The shop then is forced to close down, pay for cleaning of the establishment, sending its workers home w/ out pay, who are also quarantined.

The shop owner did everything RIGHT ! SHE paid for all this , and didn't ask for govt help.

Last chance. HOW was any thing the Bridal Shop did , after consulting with the CDC&P

I mean, AFTER she consulted the CDC&P, directly, and THEY told her it would be prudent for her to go through all those steps.

how much $ did the bridal shop spend , out of its own wallet, after consulting with the CDC & P

She checked the the CDC, closed her shop under their suggestion, and then re-opened after the local health inspectors gave it the O.K., the following week.


reality:

Younker said she checked with both the Center for Disease Control and Summit County Public Health, who advised her she didn't need to close the store. She decided to close and wait out the 21-day period after employees said they were uneasy.

Only local health inspectors have been inside the bridal store since Thursday's discovery, and will work to clean it before it's set to reopen next week.

On Sunday, the bridal shop looked like a "Star Trek" set. Bright blue light beamed from five ultraviolet ray machines in an operation designed to eliminate any possible trace of the Ebola virus. It's called a TORCH UV system from New Jersey-based ClorDiSys Solutions Inc. The Younkers say a team spent about five hours performing the service free of charge.


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Considering this was political theater, republicans should pay or it.



How is THIS political ?

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