Just curious... by Wishimay

I read a free chapter of the book and it was enough for me. Cringefest....

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Friday, January 30, 2015 7:12 PM

Do you ever read romance novels in general?

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Friday, January 30, 2015 7:19 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I saw a trailer (preview) of the movie, and it hit just about every bad, predictable trope on the topic (rich, handsome, young, powerful man meets young, attractive ....) I just kind of laughed. Maybe the book is better.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Friday, January 30, 2015 7:22 PM

America loves a winner!

No interest.

If I'm bored, and have lots of free time, I may check it out on Netflix or HBO, what ever.

But there are about 100 other things I'd rather watch before that, so...

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, January 30, 2015 9:24 PM

I've only read a handful of romance novels, and 95% percent of those were set in Ireland, go fig

I'll admit to a passing fancy with the BDSM thing, but I don't think I could ever be the person who pursues that as a hobby. I would love to hear the results of a psych study profile on people that do though. And I have a feeling that this movie WILL gross very high.

We will probably see it as a couple at some point, just for fun.

Oh wait, we have one of these

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Friday, January 30, 2015 10:18 PM

The book did amazingly, astonishing well.

Most fantasy is pretty cringeworthy once it's out for all to see, this is really no different so enjoy!

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Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:31 AM

DEVERSE

Hey, Ive been in a firefight before! Well, I was in a fire. Actually, I was fired from a fry-cook opportunity.

I know that 50 Shades of Grey was a discussion item for the women that I work with, both some time ago for the book and more recently about the movie. I don't know of any guy who read it, I didn't as it sounded as interesting as the Twilight series of books.
I trust their judgement on many things at work so I have no problem trusting their opinion on a book. They pretty much found the book to be very poorly written and the story dull. The opinion was the poorest "bodice ripper" they had ever read was a Pulitzer prize winner in comparison. Consensus was the male character is a douche and the female is an idiot.
It didn't sound like any were interested in the movie given how abominable the book was, so I doubt I'll be seeing it.

Sort of makes one wonder exactly what made it so popular?

Oh let the sun beat down upon my face;
With stars to fill my dream;
I am a traveler of both time and space;
To be where I have been

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Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:41 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
I've only read a handful of romance novels, and 95% percent of those were set in Ireland, go fig

I'll admit to a passing fancy with the BDSM thing, but I don't think I could ever be the person who pursues that as a hobby. I would love to hear the results of a psych study profile on people that do though. And I have a feeling that this movie WILL gross very high.

Knew a girl once, who I thought fit a very specific stereotype.... NE raised, well educated, successful, more liberal in her views, ... see, I'd have thought she would be the very type who'd reject the bdsm stuff, in how it objectifies women ? Turns out, she was quite into it. Here was this girl who looked all the world as smart, 'empowered' , independent, and yet... she liked being dominated. Go figure.

Never can tell.

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Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:56 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
smart, 'empowered' , independent, and yet... she liked being dominated. Go figure.

I don't think that the sensations they desire during sex are the same ones they have during the day. I get that BDSM is more about feeling pretend ways about things they wouldn't normally to heighten the experience. I don't think most of them would really want to go to lunch with someone who treats them like dirt. Sex is entirely a different animal.

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Saturday, January 31, 2015 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by DEVERSE:
Sort of makes one wonder exactly what made it so popular?

I think it being the first mainstream series maybe gave women who are curious an excuse to pick it up and read when they normally wouldn't, and maybe even the whole ridiculously written aspect was more entertaining than they claim. I haven't read them, but I have read others on the subject. I doubt the movie will be as clunky as the book is reportedly, because it's harder to pull off quirky sex scenes when you can SEE people moving around...

I do think I'm getting old though, because the people they picked out for the movie DO look like kids to me

Had to happen sometime

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Saturday, January 31, 2015 10:30 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

From the book:

The seat next to me is the only unoccupied one in the sixteen-seat cabin. The plane jolts as it pulls away from its stand, and I breathe a sigh of relief but feel a faint tingle of disappointment too… no Christian for four days. I take a sneak peek at my BlackBerry.
From: Christian Grey
Subject: Enjoy it While You Can
Date: May 30 2011 22:25
To: Anastasia Steele

Dear Miss Steele

I know what you’re trying to do – and trust me – you’ve succeeded. Next time you’ll be in the cargo hold, bound and gagged in a crate. Believe me when I say that attending to you in that state will give me so much more pleasure than merely upgrading your ticket.
I look forward to your return.

Christian Grey
Palm-Twitching CEO, Grey Enterprises Holdings Inc.

Abstruse Goose had a cartoon about 50 Shades that it had to retract, for some reason, between Dec 3, 2012 and Jan 4, 2013. Maybe somebody sued?
http://web.archive.org/web/20121203161428/http://abstrusegoose.com/481
fantasy role-play

"Well, sure, when you put it like that, it just sounds silly."

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Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:45 PM

America loves a winner!

I once had a woman tell me she indeed did have rape fantasies. I suspect it was the whole being controlled thing, and not the violence...at least I'm hoping so.

We didn't get very deep into that discussion, sad to say.

Of course, me merely mentioning that fact, of what some women SAID to me, will make ME the misogynist war-on-woman conservative hate monger others love to accuse me of being anyways.

Go figure.

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Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I once had a woman tell me she indeed did have rape fantasies. I suspect it was the whole being controlled thing, and not the violence...at least I'm hoping so.

I think most women who grow up with any kind of libido before it's really legal to do such things has THOUGHT that. Yanno, it's not MY fault then.
An actual stranger acting on such a thing would not be fun, of course.

I'm not going to call you a misogynist. Calm down. In the spectrum of misogynist comments I've seen you barely register as tepid anyway.

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Saturday, January 31, 2015 2:43 PM

WHOZIT

Unless Summer is in it, no plans at all. I can go online to see soft porn.

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Saturday, January 31, 2015 2:54 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Unless Summer is in it, no plans at all. I can go online to see soft porn.

I'm sure there's a rivoting plot w/ great character development.

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Saturday, January 31, 2015 3:39 PM

WHOZIT

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Unless Summer is in it, no plans at all. I can go online to see soft porn.

I'm sure there's a rivoting plot w/ great character development.

...or it'll be soft porn.

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Saturday, January 31, 2015 5:03 PM

America loves a winner!

Thanks Wish. Others will though, regardless. Not pointing the finger your direction.

I'll admit, it's a touchy issue. I'm not thrilled at the idea of this stuff being more mainstreamed. Sex is fine, but the business of bdsm... I'm not a fan. To each their own, though.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, January 31, 2015 6:44 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'll admit, it's a touchy issue. I'm not thrilled at the idea of this stuff being more mainstreamed. Sex is fine, but the business of bdsm... I'm not a fan. To each their own, though.

I'm sure the BDSM people are saying "Yaaay, we're going mainstream!" heh.

I think whether or not it's something you are into depends on if you can separate the pain/fear response. Hubby absolutely CANNOT. Pain=Fear=Run away.

Me, I'm in pain all the time so it's just another variation of a sensation, and it even has the capability to distract from what I normally feel, which can be good. Endorphins can flip everything into something good as well.

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Saturday, January 31, 2015 7:00 PM

America loves a winner!

Pretty sure that " pain = fear = run away " is a basic evolutionary adaptation.

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Saturday, January 31, 2015 7:03 PM

Here's an interview with the director, she sounds pretty cool.
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jan/31/fifty-shades-of-grey-film-
sex-sam-taylor-johnson

And Jamie Dornan is hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe I could be convinced. :)

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Saturday, January 31, 2015 8:24 PM

THGRRI

No interest what's so ever.

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Sunday, February 1, 2015 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Pretty sure that " pain = fear = run away " is a basic evolutionary adaptation.

Then why are there so many people that think Pain= Testing self knowledge= Exciting? Just another adaptation.

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Sunday, February 1, 2015 12:22 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
No interest what's so ever.

Not that it matters why not, but why not...specifically? That's actually the intent of this thread, I wanted to know what about all this bothers some people so much?

I've said before that I have no real shame button, and I don't get embarrassed much. I've never been able to figure out why so many others do, though ...

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Sunday, February 1, 2015 4:22 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

Not that it matters why not, but why not...specifically? That's actually the intent of this thread, I wanted to know what about all this bothers some people so much?

The director being censored? From her interview:

Quote:
In the end, the sort of censorship that bothered her was the way the mainstream rejects idiosyncrasy. “We went to a beautiful aquarium and there were these jellyfish. They’re so sexual, jellyfish, when you look at them in tanks – just the way they move, the fluidity. So there was a scene when we go into Anastasia’s world and her head, and we just had these jellyfish on the screen. It was beautiful, very impressionistic. Everyone went, ‘What the fuck are those jellyfish doing there?’” So she had to take them out. “I wasn’t happy to let them go. I could see they weren’t going to work for a wide audience, but I could also hear Sight & Sound magazine going, ‘The jellyfish were amazing’, and because I care about the Sight & Sound review, I was hanging on to them for dear life.”

And that is as far as Taylor-Johnson goes when it comes to making any distinction between high-brow and low-brow, or any mention of the fact that she may have had to compromise. “After a while,” she says contemplatively at one point, “the studio realised, ‘OK, we’ve hired a slightly anarchic artist. How are we going to rein her in a bit?’”

Since 50 Shades is a trilogy, the producers need 3 uniform movies. The producers can't have a product that does not conform to the next two movies, even if that means firing the first director and hiring somebody new for the next movie, a movie that might not even be made. Did I mention that the director had to leave the UK for LA with her 4 children and husband to make this movie? She hasn't gone back, yet. Probably depends on how well the first 50 Shades does at the box office.

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Sunday, February 1, 2015 9:05 AM

Yeah, had to dumb it down, frown.

I was reading a comment section on this yesterday. Someone said that they always pictured Kevin Spacey as Mr. Grey. I could see that. He's such an intense actor.

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Sunday, February 1, 2015 9:10 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
No interest what's so ever.

Not that it matters why not, but why not...specifically? That's actually the intent of this thread, I wanted to know what about all this bothers some people so much?

I've said before that I have no real shame button, and I don't get embarrassed much. I've never been able to figure out why so many others do, though ...

What about all this bothers some people ? Other than the degrading, objectifying and dehumanizing part ?

Gee, I dunno. Hadn't given it much thought before.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 1, 2015 3:16 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

What about all this bothers some people ? Other than the degrading, objectifying and dehumanizing part ?

How is enjoying sex and eagerly volunteering to participate in either the movie or the act itself any of those things? This is the gay marriage argument all over again. Two people consenting to do something they enjoy has nothing to do with you. I've had arguments with Two about foot fetishism, which I find odd and just on a purely germy level pretty gross, but I would never call two people engaging in it inhuman because I am not them and do not feel the same way and thus incapable of rendering an opinion on the act itself. I've had foot massages that have felt pretty good though...does that make me inhuman? No.

Spock was right. You DO have to die before you can give a valid opinion on death. Words are wholly inadequate, especially English words...

Some people juggle geese...

Oh, and if you've ever slapped someone on the ass, bitten them, gotten aggressive, tied someone up, used nails during sex- CONGRATULATIONS you have engaged in BDSM. So lets not be hypocritical just because someone else's line goes a little farther than yours does...

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Sunday, February 1, 2015 4:54 PM

America loves a winner!

This isn't the gay marriage discussion, what so ever. Not even close.

Good grief.

And I didn't say it was "INhuman" , but it DEhumanizes. There's a difference. The latter has more to do w/ dignity and respect.

Crazy concepts, huh?

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Sunday, February 1, 2015 5:03 PM

meh, it's wasn't the bdsm that I found cringey in the novel, it was the terrible writing.

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Sunday, February 1, 2015 5:09 PM

I loved the film Secretary http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274812/, similar topic only not as titillating (I am assuming)

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Sunday, February 1, 2015 5:29 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I loved the film Secretary http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274812/, similar topic only not as titillating (I am assuming)

I remember seeing Maggy Gyllenhaal in some creepy movie, I just couldn't remember what it was. 1st thing I thought of, when I heard about this being made into a movie. It's kinda been done.

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Sunday, February 1, 2015 6:42 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

It occured to me that a guy attending a showing uv this film by himself standz a better than normal chans uv scoring.

('normal' in my case meanz sitting in frunt uv hiz computer posting junk in forumz)

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Sunday, February 1, 2015 8:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

And I didn't say it was "INhuman" , but it DEhumanizes.

They both imply something less than human...

The only time sex has to do with either is when someone is an unwilling participant. If you've ever watched porn, then there are a great many people who say YOU are inhuman and dehumanizing. Sex is one of those basic human things, so I fail to see how it's dehumanizing.

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Sunday, February 1, 2015 8:10 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
It occured to me that a guy attending a showing uv this film by himself standz a better than normal chans uv scoring.

I'm sure it's worth a try anyway. Good Luck!

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Monday, February 2, 2015 11:30 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

Thanks. I'll tell you how it works out.

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Tuesday, June 30, 2015 10:38 AM

So, how did it go?

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Thursday, July 2, 2015 12:02 AM

I bet my Grams has seen it. Turns out, she saw Pulp Fiction in the theater about 6 years before I saw it on VHS.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, July 2, 2015 8:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Do you ever read romance novels in general?

I used to read every Danielle Steele. That count?

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Thursday, July 2, 2015 8:58 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
So, how did it go?

how about you?

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Friday, July 3, 2015 12:34 PM

We were set to watch it last night on Amazon rental as the child was staying with friends, but unfortunately I picked up a stomach bug and the last thing I would want to do for the last three days was watch anything remotely sexual

May take a while until we get another chance.

We had to pick up food while out and stopped at a White Castle. Stupid, I know...

We did finally get around to watching The Kingsman, was an interesting film.
I get that they gave Sam Jackson a lisp so he wouldn't just be doing the same character he's done HUNDREDS of times, but egad was it annoying...

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Sunday, September 6, 2015 12:32 PM

Finally got a chance to watch it together.

1.Dakota Johnson is really really thin. Maybe it's norm for her, but damn...she raises her arms and I think "Wonder what concentration camp she's been in?" It's S&M for the Abercrombie and Fitch crowd...

2. Grey is an idiot. He's all about "control" in the first half, and then doesn't mind taking her virginity five seconds after she said she was a virgin, and then five seconds later strapping her down.

A blind deaf mute could've said this wasn't going to work...

3. Steele is an idiot. She leads him on, knowing what will happen, then tries to whine and manipulate to get her way. She was playing WAAAAY above her level. Then tries to take the "high road" and guilt him with the car.
And what college kid THESE days DOESN'T KNOW THE TERMS DOMINANT AND SUBMISSIVE????? Please...

Happy to see Mack from "The Unit", but I'd rather see him in the leading role

Not so happy at the message. "Anyone who likes something different from you sexually MUST be fucked up." I should've figured that a mainstream movie about being sexually uninhibited would come wrapped in judgment and neurosis.

4. I am an idiot for having seen this movie

5. Can't wait to see what will happen in 2 and 3

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Wednesday, September 9, 2015 1:03 AM

I know all about being an idiot....

best beat ever here, even though it's like 8 years old now....

I love it because altough I'm in a "HATIN" mood, I'm not in a racist mood....

I'm just Grindin' man, ya'all nevermind me.....

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, September 9, 2015 1:11 AM

I'm out of beer, and I'm 15 beers into it.

I'm going to buy more....

Never done that before....

:)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, September 9, 2015 1:14 AM

https://soundcloud.com/newjawn/grindin-instrumental-clipse

Karaoke to the sound.....

Fuck Clipse and Pharell....

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, September 9, 2015 1:18 AM

I was like 25 then though....

How old is Pharell?

When he did that song with the Dad from Growing Pains, he was already pretty old...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, September 9, 2015 9:28 AM

Yeah, but HAVE YOU SEEN THE MOVIE?????

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Wednesday, September 9, 2015 9:45 AM