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(Reuters) - President Barack Obama assured Americans on Saturday that a newly negotiated framework for a nuclear pact with Iran was a "good deal" as he sought public support for a diplomatic breakthrough that many in Congress oppose.

A day after placing calls to top U.S. lawmakers to urge support for the agreement, Obama pressed his case that the deal would ensure Washington's longtime foe would not be able to build a nuclear weapon.

"It’s a good deal, a deal that meets our core objectives, including strict limitations on Iran’s program and cutting off every pathway that Iran could take to develop a nuclear weapon," Obama said in his weekly radio and Internet address, broadcast on Saturday.

"This deal denies Iran the plutonium necessary to build a bomb. It shuts down Iran’s path to a bomb using enriched uranium," he said.

The White House hopes support from the U.S. public for its negotiating efforts will help sway skeptical lawmakers. The president and administration officials will be engaged in a difficult sales pitch in the coming weeks and months.

Obama completed calls to John Boehner, the Republican speaker of the House of Representatives, as well as House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, Republican Senate Majority leader Mitch McConnell and Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid, by Friday afternoon, the White House said.

In his address, the president noted that the deal would commit Iran to inspections and transparency for many years.

"This is a long-term deal, with strict limits on Iran’s program for more than a decade and unprecedented transparency measures that will last for 20 years or more," he said.

The framework, which was agreed on Thursday after eight days of talks between Iran and six world powers in Switzerland, clears the way for a final agreement to allay Western fears that Iran could build an atomic bomb. It would include lifting economic sanctions on Tehran in return.

Negotiators will seek to seal a final deal by the end of June. Obama noted that it could still come apart.

"Success is not guaranteed," he said. "But today we have an historic opportunity to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons in Iran, and to do so peacefully, with the international community firmly behind us."

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Because it isn't. Based on my immediate recent experience with you in the other thread, I leave it to you to show that it's "obvious" (ie that Iran could develop a nuclear weapon under the strictures of this agreement), but I really don't expect to get any reality-based responses from you on this either.

Right now, I'm looking for comments from OTHER people.

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Bibi is being a responsible leader of his country in calling out the dangers of a nuclear Iran.

Why the push, I have to wonder, by Obama and the Left in general, to see a oil rich nation like Iran develop nuclear energy ? The Left have been trying to rid the world of nuke power and weapons for decades, but now that a hard line Muslim nation, which mistreats women and gays as bad as any govt. And all while the leader of Iran joins in a literal chorus of shouting " Death to America " , even as negotiations continued.

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And how does that impact Israel's security if everyone else trades with Iran ?
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Without this the rest of the world walks. How does that help Israel?

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Nope, you're still not answering the question I asked.

Why would Israel object to others trading with Iran ?

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The deal, despite what Obama says, does not deny Iran the bomb.

Obama has absolutely no problem lying to ...well, anyone. It's not opinion, it's FACT.

" If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it. Period "


So, when even FRANCE says this is a bad deal, and that the USA caved, I have to ask you again,... why would Israel object , unless it feels that Iran will get the bomb, no matter what ?

The false narrative that Obama and seemingly you want to give us is that either a bad deal is taken, and all is right w/ the world, or no deal is made, and we go to war.

Iran is motivated to make a deal which gets sanctions lifted. Israel wants no nukes, and yet that's exactly what the world has given them.

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(Reuters) - President Barack Obama assured Americans on Saturday that a newly negotiated framework for a nuclear pact with Iran was a "good deal" as he sought public support for a diplomatic breakthrough that many in Congress oppose.

A day after placing calls to top U.S. lawmakers to urge support for the agreement, Obama pressed his case that the deal would ensure Washington's longtime foe would not be able to build a nuclear weapon.

"It’s a good deal, a deal that meets our core objectives, including strict limitations on Iran’s program and cutting off every pathway that Iran could take to develop a nuclear weapon," Obama said in his weekly radio and Internet address, broadcast on Saturday.

"This deal denies Iran the plutonium necessary to build a bomb. It shuts down Iran’s path to a bomb using enriched uranium," he said.

The White House hopes support from the U.S. public for its negotiating efforts will help sway skeptical lawmakers. The president and administration officials will be engaged in a difficult sales pitch in the coming weeks and months.

Obama completed calls to John Boehner, the Republican speaker of the House of Representatives, as well as House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, Republican Senate Majority leader Mitch McConnell and Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid, by Friday afternoon, the White House said.

In his address, the president noted that the deal would commit Iran to inspections and transparency for many years.

"This is a long-term deal, with strict limits on Iran’s program for more than a decade and unprecedented transparency measures that will last for 20 years or more," he said.

The framework, which was agreed on Thursday after eight days of talks between Iran and six world powers in Switzerland, clears the way for a final agreement to allay Western fears that Iran could build an atomic bomb. It would include lifting economic sanctions on Tehran in return.

Negotiators will seek to seal a final deal by the end of June. Obama noted that it could still come apart.

"Success is not guaranteed," he said. "But today we have an historic opportunity to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons in Iran, and to do so peacefully, with the international community firmly behind us."

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Meanwhile Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is railing that a deal with Iran will be the death of Israel.

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Would you mind citing where France say's it is a bad deal?

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Why else would Netanyahu be concerned with the # 1 exporter of terror in the region obtaining nuclear grade material ??

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. . . so they can peddle their wares and generate more funds to further support terrorism and Jew-killing. . . .

What a "deal" that Neville Barack Hussein Chamberlain Obama can wheel.

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To all of you who criticize Obama's negotiations with Iran, let's not forget Ronnie "Raygun" Reagan's secret- deal-making with the Mideast Great Satan itself- Iran. Yep, negotiating with the Iranian radicals and illegally selling them arms so he could fund his equally illegal Contra war in Venezuela.

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Now, "Obama is a Kenyan Muslim socialist"?

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Hubby want to know which passport you hold. Is it Israeli? If not, why are you so concerned with Israel's security?

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Hubby want to know which passport you hold. Is it Israeli? If not, why are you so concerned with Israel's security?

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CNN Breaking News headline from 65 years ago: Israel is the sole representative of elected Democratic Republic in the Middle East. The only one in 2,000 years, and longer. If mankind is to flourish and break these simpleton dictator terrorist mindsets, then peace, tranquility, and cooperation must hold reign in the Middle East. This is a concern of every thinking and reasonable person on the planet - sorry you choose to not be a member of this group.

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And how does that impact Israel's security if everyone else trades with Iran ?

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Hubby want to know which passport you hold. Is it Israeli? If not, why are you so concerned with Israel's security?

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CNN Breaking News headline from 65 years ago: Israel is the sole representative of elected Democratic Republic in the Middle East. The only one in 2,000 years, and longer. If mankind is to flourish and break these simpleton dictator terrorist mindsets, then peace, tranquility, and cooperation must hold reign in the Middle East. This is a concern of every thinking and reasonable person on the planet - sorry you choose to not be a member of this group.

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Israel is run by the zionists, now. They never have, and never will be any sort of shining beacon of anything. They sure do love killing Palestinians, though. Apartheid states are so last century.

A failed state. It won't last. They're running out of friends.

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You speak of compassion? Bibi wants us to nuke Iran, after his murderous genocide of innocent Palestinian men, women and CHILDREN?


Are you an anti-semite in general?

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To all of you who criticize Obama's negotiations with Iran, let's not forget Ronnie "Raygun" Reagan's secret- deal-making with the Mideast Great Satan itself- Iran. Yep, negotiating with the Iranian radicals and their fresh-from-the Revolution Ayatollah who were holding American hostages, and illegally selling them arms so he could fund his equally illegal Contra war in Venezuela.

Yep, those were the good old days! [/sarcasm]

Now, can we get to something a little more intelligent than "Obama is a Kenyan Muslim socialist"?



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You speak of compassion? Bibi wants us to nuke Iran, after his murderous genocide of innocent Palestinian men, women and CHILDREN?


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You speak of compassion? Bibi wants us to nuke Iran, after his murderous genocide of innocent Palestinian men, women and CHILDREN?

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YES.

DEFINITION: A Semite is a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples, mostly originating in the Near East, including: Akkadians (Assyrians and Babylonians), Ammonites, Amorites, Arameans, Chaldeans, Canaanites (including Hebrews/Israelites/Jews/Samaritans and Phoenicians/Carthaginians), Eblaites, Dilmunites, Edomites, Amalekites, Turukku, Ethiopian Semites, Hyksos, Arabs, Nabateans, Maltese, Mandaeans, Mhallami, Moabites, Shebans, Meluhhans, Maganites, Ubarites, Sabians and Ugarites.

That includes Palestinians. In your case, both your comprehension and your compassion are found lacking!

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To all of you who criticize Obama's negotiations with Iran, let's not forget Ronnie "Raygun" Reagan's secret- deal-making with the Mideast Great Satan itself- Iran. Yep, negotiating with the Iranian radicals and their fresh-from-the Revolution Ayatollah who were holding American hostages, and illegally selling them arms so he could fund his equally illegal Contra war in Venezuela.

Yep, those were the good old days! [/sarcasm]

Now, can we get to something a little more intelligent than "Obama is a Kenyan Muslim socialist"?



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World | Thu May 22, 2014 8:24am EDT
Related: World

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/22/us-iran-nuclear-russia-idUSB
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/russia-build-egypt-nuclear-power
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I found 1kiki's and SIG's place of operation. It must be very frustrating to them their cover is blown. If Putin finds out they'll be history. What a lovely thought.


Salutin' Putin: inside a Russian troll house

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russ
ian-troll-house

Sieg Heil, comrade

Propaganda within Nazi Germany was taken to a new and frequently perverse level. Hitler was very aware of the value of good propaganda and he appointed Joseph Goebbels as head of propaganda.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/propaganda_in_nazi_germany.htm

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And it took less than a week for Obama to admit that the "deal" does in fact pave the way for Iran to have nukes.


Plus, the Iranians disagree with Obama's version of the "deal"

Persian version:
http://nypost.com/2015/04/04/translated-version-of-iran-deal-doesnt-sa
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Not to mention that Obama has agreed to let them reduce their centrifuge count down to 6,000 - that is down from the 800 they had when Sheriff Obama started enforcing this sanction.

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Iran could be able to obtain a nuclear weapon... of the emerging nuclear deal, President Barack Obama acknowledged Tuesday.

Under the framework announced last week, Iran would be kept at least one year away from a bomb for the first decade of the deal, Obama said as he sought to sell the deal to skeptics.

Yet that constraint would stay in place only for 10 years, at which point some restrictions on Iran's nuclear activities would be eased.

Breakout time refers to how long it would take to build a bomb if Iran decided to pursue one full-bore — in other words, how long the rest of the world would have to stop it. U.S. intelligence officials estimate Iran's breakout time is currently two to three months.

Obama's comments to NPR appeared to suggest that even with a nuclear deal, Iran could shrink its breakout period to almost zero once the initial restrictions expire.

"I think his words were a little mixed up there, but what he was referring to was a scenario in which there was no deal," said State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf.

Despite their assurances, Obama and his aides have not specified how long it would take Iran to build a bomb ... Harf said it would be more than zero — meaning the world would still have some time to act — but didn't say whether that period would be longer or shorter than Iran's current breakout period of two to three months.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, reacted tersely to Obama's comments, arguing that the president had confirmed what critics of the deal have long feared. He said Tehran was taking the long view and cautioned that the Iranian regime could exploit the easing of restrictions to fulfill its ambitions of exporting revolution across the globe.

"It is clear that this 'deal' is a direct threat to peace and security of the region and the world," Boehner said. Considering Iran's history of evading international inspections, he added, "no one should believe that the proposed inspection and verification are bullet-proof."

The tough talk from Boehner suggested congressional leaders were continuing to sour on the framework deal that Obama and world leaders reached with Iran last week in Switzerland. Previously, Boehner had expressed serious concerns about the deal's parameters, but withheld full judgment until lawmakers had time to digest all the details.

Other top lawmakers, including some members of Obama's party, have been pressing for Congress to hold a vote on whether to approve the deal — a prospect Obama has rejected outright. Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker, R-Tenn., is pushing legislation that would also prevent Obama from using his own authority to temporarily waive existing U.S. sanctions while Congress debates the deal.

The White House raised a new concern to Corker's bill on Tuesday, objecting to a provision that would require the administration to eventually certify to Congress that Iran is not carrying out terrorist attacks against Americans. White House spokesman Josh Earnest said that provision "essentially makes the agreement contingent upon Iran renouncing terrorism."

The wrangling over the finer points of the deal came as the president seeks to quiet a growing chorus questioning whether the deal he and world leaders have negotiated merely delays the certainty of a nuclear-armed Iran. Obama has insisted confidently that Iran will not get a nuclear weapon on his watch, which ends in roughly 20 months, but has made no similar assurances about his successors.

Tehran has always maintained it doesn't want a nuclear bomb, but the international community has been skeptical, and America's close ally Israel considers a nuclear Iran an existential threat.

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Ayatollah Obama and his Iranian mullahs are singing in celebration ...


And we can build our nuke together
Standing with Allah forever
Nothing's gonna stop us now.

And if this world runs out of penicillin
We'll still have our Koran
Nothing's gonna stop us, nothing's gonna stop us now.

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Because it isn't. Based on my immediate recent experience with you in the other thread, I leave it to you to show that it's "obvious" (ie that Iran could develop a nuclear weapon under the strictures of this agreement), but I really don't expect to get any reality-based responses from you on this either.

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