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But the politics of this idea are very challenging. The problem is that it takes something (parking, specifically) away from people who already live on McAllister Street in order to benefit hypothetical occupants of new homes who, by definition, don't live there. That would be good for San Francisco, good for California, good for America, and good for the world. But it's not good for the people currently living on the block — and those are the people the city council is going to respond to.

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Hahahahah. Say it aint so. Isn't Fox News the new Encyclopedia of the right winged red neck. Hellooo Whozit.

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Yes, those libs in Baltimore are really smart.

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Originally posted by second:
A more complicated example: Paul Ryan loves talking about poverty, but he keeps getting the basic facts wrong. www.vox.com/2015/5/5/8548065/paul-ryan-poverty Paul Ryan deliberately gets his facts wrong so he can justify spending less money on the poor.

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Originally posted by second:
A more complicated example: Paul Ryan loves talking about poverty, but he keeps getting the basic facts wrong. www.vox.com/2015/5/5/8548065/paul-ryan-poverty Paul Ryan deliberately gets his facts wrong so he can justify spending less money on the poor.

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Which of your so-called wrong facts do you claim Ryan gets?

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Originally posted by second:
Democrats are no smarter than Republicans. I know this because I'm around both, but they have different styles of reasoning. The different styles makes one side think the other is stupider and less honest than it really is. (The sad truth is neither side is smart.) Conservatives are thinking, and arguing, for what is best for themselves now , exclusively, and for their close relatives, maybe.

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Just wanted to throw that true factoid into the title stream.

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I debate idiots on both sidez and the democrats are notisably less idiotic. Still sement heded, still party line followerz for sure, but the low level iz not nearly az abyzmal, wich bringz the averaj up.

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98% of the worlds scientist say global warming is real. The Republicans have denied this for years. REPUBLICANS ARE NOT ONLY STUPID, BUT DISHONEST AS WELL.

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All evidence to the contrary, no evidence to support it, what reasonable measure do you use?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
All evidence to the contrary, no evidence to support it, what reasonable measure do you use?

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Herez the measure:
http://www.billoreilly.com/
Thats the smartest guy in the hedquarterz uv the entire conservativ propaganda machine. Clearly a pinhed (the term he likes to toss around all the time), yet hiz word iz gospel to all you Obama Deranjement Syndrome suffererz. How many best sellerz haz he published? The Factor haz been the top rated cable newz show forever. An intellectual jiant amongst hiz conservativ peerz.

I hav better lojik than him wen I'm sleeping. A meth addled zombie in my most incoherent dream can expoze the flawz in O'Riellyz arguments!

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Originally posted by JO753:
You totally misinterpreted my statements. Proof that you are filtering everything you see & hear to fit wut you want to believ.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Straw man arguments from a conservativ?! I'm shocked! SHOCKED I tell you!

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Democrats are no smarter than Republicans. I know this because I'm around both, but they have different styles of reasoning. The different styles makes one side think the other is stupider and less honest than it really is. (The sad truth is neither side is smart.) Conservatives are thinking, and arguing, for what is best for themselves, exclusively, and for their close relatives, maybe. Liberals are arguing for what is best for a much wider population, even going so far as to include non-human lives on special occasions.

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You totally misinterpreted my statements. Proof that you are filtering everything you see & hear to fit wut you want to believ.

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A more complicated example: Paul Ryan loves talking about poverty, but he keeps getting the basic facts wrong. www.vox.com/2015/5/5/8548065/paul-ryan-poverty Paul Ryan deliberately gets his facts wrong so he can justify spending less money on the poor.

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Which of your so-called wrong facts do you claim Ryan gets?

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Originally posted by second:
Democrats are no smarter than Republicans. I know this because I'm around both, but they have different styles of reasoning. The different styles makes one side think the other is stupider and less honest than it really is. (The sad truth is neither side is smart.) Conservatives are thinking, and arguing, for what is best for themselves, exclusively, and for their close relatives, maybe. Liberals are arguing for what is best for a much wider population, even going so far as to include non-human lives on special occasions.

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That remindz me uv a question I hav for your crowd.

How do you deside wuts conservative and wuts liberal?

The only thing that seemz to be a consistent factor iz that money will not be taken away from the rich, but there are a bunch uv thingz that dont obviously make a differens either way. The 'social conservativz' seem to go along with anything handed to them by the GoP propaganda machine wether it helps non-rich citizenz or hurts them.

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Originally posted by JO753:
That remindz me uv a question I hav for your crowd.

How do you deside wuts conservative and wuts liberal?

The only thing that seemz to be a consistent factor iz that money will not be taken away from the rich, but there are a bunch uv thingz that dont obviously make a differens either way. The 'social conservativz' seem to go along with anything handed to them by the GoP propaganda machine wether it helps non-rich citizenz or hurts them.

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As a conservative, I agree that those who earn the most should pay more taxes. This is technically known as progressive taxation, but Libtards oppose true progressive taxation and claim to prefer a tax formula which more heavily taxes the middle class and poor.

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The most progressive tax formula is known as consumption tax,

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As a conservative, I agree that those who earn the most should pay more taxes. This is technically known as progressive taxation, but Libtards oppose true progressive taxation and claim to prefer a tax formula which more heavily taxes the middle class and poor.

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You must be reading, lissening and watching only GoP propaganda media. I woud refer you to sum Robert Riech videoz, but naturally you will refuze to watch them.

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Exactly the oppozit. You hav been led by the noze blindfolded into a lojikl contradiction. If you can do a little arithmatic, you hav a chans uv finding your way back to reality.

With the current tax structure:

Say a hej fund manajr earnz a billion a yir. In 1 yir, he will clear 850,000,000$ after taxez if he duznt bother to get hiz accountant to 'make the net disappear'.

How much uv that will he spend on houses?
How much uv that will he spend on carz?
How much uv that will he spend on boats?
How much uv that will he spend on groseryz?
How much uv that will he spend on jewelry?
How much uv that will he spend on clothez?
How much uv that will he spend on art?
How much uv that will he spend on etc.?

More revealing, how much can he spend?

Now, subtract all that from 850 million and how much he haz left over that he payed no consumtion tax on.

Now consider that he'd hav to do the same thing every year just to be paying so much in taxez! But, if insted he just keeps all that stuff and savez hiz money every yir, hiz consumption tax bite will be about the same az an ordinary factory worker. Hiz increase over the 15% iz virtually undetectable to him.

Hold on! it gets better!

Suppoze we did get rid uv the capital gainz tax (wich iz the 15% hej fund manajerz are mainly paying) and the regular income tax system and went to your consumption tax system.

Then our guy haz the entire billion$ to begin with, so the eensy beensy amount he must spend on stuff like food, utilityz & clothez like an ordinary guy iz such an infinitizmal persentaj uv hiz earningz that the consumption tax on it all coud be 1000% and he still woudnt care. But obviously, to ordinary Joe Sixpack, who iz struggling just to pay hiz living expensez, that 1000% woud be insane. Completely unsupportable.

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Your arithmatic iz bad. Sorry, but you need to go back to 1st grade.

But even if it wuznt, you didnt understand the example.

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If they are not spending it on anything, why are they earning it?

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A pearl laying in the swine trampled mud! Thats the 64 trillion $ Q.

If you coud get to the bottom uv that, you coud rule the world.

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Your arithmatic iz bad. Sorry, but you need to go back to 1st grade.

But even if it wuznt, you didnt understand the example.

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If they are not spending it on anything, why are they earning it?

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A pearl laying in the swine trampled mud! Thats the 64 trillion $ Q.

If you coud get to the bottom uv that, you coud rule the world.

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You, having proven repeatedly your poor math skills, must back up your ridiculous assertions with details. Which arithmetic was bad?
And you missed the point. They are spending the money.

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Dont need the detailz.

Youre forgetting that he gets a billion per yir. Iz he going to give away all hiz stuff at the end uv every yir?

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