Anti Intellectualism is Killing America by Magonsdaughter

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An interesting read. Applies also to Australia and the UK, but perhaps not yet quite as bad. And I got to say, one of the reasons I rarely post on this board is because the majority of people who now post here fit this category as described "motivated by fear, susceptible to tribalism and simplistic explanations, incapable of emotional maturity, and prone to violent solutions. Sound familiar?" Sure does.

I'd be interested in who you are referring to. I could guess but my guess would be 1 or 2 people (certainly not a majority) who haven't posted here in a long time.

Pretty sure this statement was about the posters whom would throw the term "libtard" in as many threads as they could.

Absolutly, I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me I see it so often. We have more than a couple here who see everything in extremes. Sig and kiki aren't the only ones who's posts I generally don't respond to. There is one who shall remain nameless I have yet to respond to at all.

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Friday, June 26, 2015 7:02 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Wow, what happened to the post I quote from you above about the results of positive programs being so dismal in theses neighborhoods?

And Sig the one who Magonsdaugther suggests makes the best argument about anti-intellectualism taking place in America, shows how sometimes the intellectual is clueless. This is why some say the issues cited in the article are complicated, and can't be explained away by saying they are due to anti-intellectualism.

Yeah, well sig addressed the question while you've been busy patronising Black communities in America.

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Friday, June 26, 2015 7:11 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
....the majority of people who now post here fit this category as described "motivated by fear, susceptible to tribalism and simplistic explanations, incapable of emotional maturity, and prone to violent solutions.

It's a lack uv stratejy that keeps the science/skeptic/athiest 'movement' from moving. All they really want to do iz skoff at relijun and woo.

Getting to kidz befor the idea that tradition and authority are more important than lojik formz the foundation uv their thot prosess iz essentail.

The way our early education system works now iz the exact oppozit and viola!, the so called 'civilization' we hav bilt iz chock full uv all sorts uv wakt out nonsens.

If you want to complain about anti-intellectualizm, MD, look at how youv responded to my effort to do sumthing about it. Look how all the suppozed thinkerz here and elswer online hav responded.

/b]

Sorry I didn't understand that your language stuff was in response to anti-intellectualism.

One thing I see different in the US to Australia, I think, is the power of religion. Religion doesn't tend to drive policy here as it appears to do so in the US, with powerful lobby groups being from the Christian Right although we get the seepage of your cultural norms, but for different reasons.

Societies which have religion impacting on policy basically go backwards in terms of ideas and intellect. Faith shuts down critical thinking and demands dogma. It's very dangerous to allow faith to impact on how a society governs. If you look at some of the darkest periods of human history, they involve rigid dogmas, often religious ones and we can see that now with the growth and spread of fundamentalist ISlam.

Australia is a secular society, much more so than the US, but our distrust and dislike of intellectualism stems from being hedonistic, sun loving, sports crazy, lazy thinking bums more than anything else.

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Friday, June 26, 2015 9:09 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Wow, what happened to the post I quote from you above about the results of positive programs being so dismal in theses neighborhoods?

And Sig the one who Magonsdaugther suggests makes the best argument about anti-intellectualism taking place in America, shows how sometimes the intellectual is clueless. This is why some say the issues cited in the article are complicated, and can't be explained away by saying they are due to anti-intellectualism.

Yeah, well sig addressed the question while you've been busy patronising Black communities in America.

No, she just agreed with you. She then starting spewing a bunch of nonsense. Put simply, the article is crap and I said why and moved on. What concerns me is that after all this time you still don't recognize that Sig never misses a chance to bash America, which says volumes about your judgment.

Go back and reread her opening posts. She rants anti war crap about the 60's and then about central governments not wanting intellectual citizens. In other words our government is behind it. She is nuts and if you can't see it in what she writes I am sorry for you.

SIG

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There are all kinds of reasons why Americans are particularly ignorant: Most of us are far away from any other nation, protected from foreign ideas by two large oceans on either side and a USA-clone up north. We have a history of disdain for learning anything from history, since our "pioneer" meme is to build everything from scratch. And most of us are English-only, inoculating us against any threat of contamination.

This isn't America, I don't know who she is describing but it surly isn't America, the most diverse nation on the planet.

SIG

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But NO nation with a strong central government wants intellectuals, because they ask awkward questions. And just as certainly, no CORPORATION wants to foster intellectualism either, since intellectuals are less easily influenced into going into debt to buy shit they don't need, and (again) they ask awkward questions.

This is all anti government and anti corporate and has nothing to do with anti-intellectualism. It's anti Americanism based on completely fabricated facts that come from the mess she calls a mind. Wow Magonsdaugther, wake up. Here is a good one for you.

SIG

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Using that meme, they can cause you to assuage your unhappiness/fear/uncertainty by buying their crossover vehicle (which makes you a confident explorer, because that's how its shown on TV), or their light beer (which makes you part of the fun crowd, because that's how its shown on TV) etc. Politicians do the same thing, of course, by manipulating fear.

Yep, a nut off on a rant.

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Saturday, June 27, 2015 2:11 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

No, she just agreed with you. She then starting spewing a bunch of nonsense. Put simply, the article is crap and I said why and moved on. What concerns me is that after all this time you still don't recognize that Sig never misses a chance to bash America, which says volumes about your judgment.

Dont mind a bit of America bashing when it's due. Then credit when its due, like marriage equality.

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Go back and reread her opening posts. She rants anti war crap about the 60's and then about central governments not wanting intellectual citizens. In other words our government is behind it. She is nuts and if you can't see it in what she writes I am sorry for you.

Sig and I have agreed and disagreed over the years on a number of issues. On this issue, I agreed with what she said. She has strong views, but she isn't nuts. That's just you not able to tolerate disagreement.

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There are all kinds of reasons why Americans are particularly ignorant: Most of us are far away from any other nation, protected from foreign ideas by two large oceans on either side and a USA-clone up north. We have a history of disdain for learning anything from history, since our "pioneer" meme is to build everything from scratch. And most of us are English-only, inoculating us against any threat of contamination.

This isn't America, I don't know who she is describing but it surly isn't America, the most diverse nation on the planet.

I don't think she was talking about your diversity, but your inward focus. Something I have observed when talking with Americans on the Internet. I think its because America is so large, so powerful that the rest of the world kind of recedes as places of little importance. Theres an odd parochialism that occurs. Of course meeting Americans outside of America is another story, naturally.

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PROMOTERS OF ANTI-INTELLECTUALISM
But NO nation with a strong central government wants intellectuals, because they ask awkward questions. And just as certainly, no CORPORATION wants to foster intellectualism either, since intellectuals are less easily influenced into going into debt to buy shit they don't need, and (again) they ask awkward questions.

This is all anti government and anti corporate and has nothing to do with anti-intellectualism. It's anti Americanism based on completely fabricated facts that come from the mess she calls a mind. Wow Magonsdaugther, wake up. Here is a good one for you.

On this issue I agree. I think governments have a vested interest in keeping populations compliant and unquestioning. So do corporations for that matter.

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Using that meme, they can cause you to assuage your unhappiness/fear/uncertainty by buying their crossover vehicle (which makes you a confident explorer, because that's how its shown on TV), or their light beer (which makes you part of the fun crowd, because that's how its shown on TV) etc. Politicians do the same thing, of course, by manipulating fear.

Again, if you know anything about advertising, you'd know that in marketing degrees you are taught to exploit, and even create fear. It's a great tool. Think how much of consumerism is based on fear. None of this is new, it's just that you appear to have never heard this before.

There was a great TV series on here, 'The Gruen Transfer' where a bunch of advertising execs got together to desconstuct advertising and marketing campaigns and they very, very forthrightly talked about these issues.

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/gruentransfer/theshow.htm

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Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:27 AM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Again, if you know anything about advertising, you'd know that in marketing degrees you are taught to exploit, and even create fear. It's a great tool. Think how much of consumerism is based on fear. None of this is new, it's just that you appear to have never heard this before.

There was a great TV series on here, 'The Gruen Transfer' where a bunch of advertising execs got together to desconstuct advertising and marketing campaigns and they very, very forthrightly talked about these issues.

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/gruentransfer/theshow.htm

Those videos are not available to me outside Australia, but there is another series about fear, advertisement and war - The Power of Nightmares.
www.metacritic.com/movie/the-power-of-nightmares-the-rise-of-the-polit
ics-of-fear

It is in three parts. The first is here
www.dailymotion.com/video/x20su5f_the-power-of-nightmares-1-the-rise-o
f-the-politics-of-fear-bbc-2004_news

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, June 27, 2015 11:38 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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This isn't America, I don't know who she is describing but it surly isn't America, the most diverse nation on the planet.

Diverse? Not really. I think the best description of America "at home" is intolerant, and the best description of America abroad is deadly.

Yep, Americans are "tolerant of diversity" as long as that diversity extends only to tasty ethnic foods, cool costumes, and pretty music. But let Americans touch REAL diversity - where people DON'T think America is the best nation in the whole world, disagree with some of it's fundamental practices (or where Americans disagree with someone else's fundamental practices), and ESPECIALLY where these "diverse" people are poor AND have a different skin color in addition to having a fundamentally-different viewpoint of life here in the good ole USA, and that "tolerance" disappears faster than frost in June.

America, diverse???

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!

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Saturday, June 27, 2015 1:05 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
No, she just agreed with you. She then starting spewing a bunch of nonsense. Put simply, the article is crap and I said why and moved on. What concerns me is that after all this time you still don't recognize that Sig never misses a chance to bash America, which says volumes about your judgment.

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Mag
Dont mind a bit of America bashing when it's due. Then credit when its due, like marriage equality.

That’s because you are coming at this from a simplistic point of view. Just as your article on anti-intellectualism does in suggesting differing philosophy's and points of contention, can be summed up as stupid vs. smart. This is a global issue but you see it as an American issue? Let me explain it to you. In this thread I speak about religion and cultures being at the root of much of society’s problems. They are false barriers we have created to separate ourselves from each other. These barriers are influential in our development of self, and based on these identities we create ideologies. My god tells me so, therefore it must be true. It takes in some cases thousands of years before these prejudices begin to give way to more rational ways of thinking. That’s what has happened here. I’m happy to say one more religious taboo is done away with in America.

It also gives hope to others around the world.

Huge crowds for Berlin Gay Pride after historic US ruling

http://news.yahoo.com/huge-crowds-berlin-gay-pride-historic-us-ruling-
171617336.html

Celebrations of Marriage Equality Around the World

http://www.advocate.com/world/2015/06/27/celebrations-marriage-equalit
y-around-world

The landmark ruling that made same sex marriage legal in the United States was cheered around the planet.

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Go back and reread her opening posts. She rants anti war crap about the 60's and then about central governments not wanting intellectual citizens. In other words our government is behind it. She is nuts and if you can't see it in what she writes I am sorry for you.

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Mag
Sig and I have agreed and disagreed over the years on a number of issues. On this issue, I agreed with what she said. She has strong views, but she isn't nuts. That's just you not able to tolerate disagreement.

Sig posts America is clueless as to what is going on around the world because we are, to use her words “far away from any other nation, protected from foreign ideas by two large oceans.”

Really, this is 2015 not the 1800’s.

She contradicts this notion herself in thread after thread complaining America is involved in everybody else’s business. I would add, anytime Sig strays from what she cuts and pastes it turns into an incoherent rant that jumps from subject to subject. You really need to learn how to recognize subjective and hateful posting Magon.

This is not about me disagreeing with Sig. It is about Sigs’ history of being mulishly anti American. Therefore her motives for agreeing with any concepts that show America in a bad light should be understood as biased, as well as offered up without proper forethought. She is constantly assailing our way of life because she is a communist. She lies and distorts things. You do not appear to be receptive to this truth even though her posts to G in this thread contain not but. To deny why she is posting what she is, is akin to you burying yoor head in the sand. Talk about anti-intellectualism. And for you to speculate what she means when she posts just so you can argue with me is sad. I give an example of this in what follows.

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SIG
There are all kinds of reasons why Americans are particularly ignorant: Most of us are far away from any other nation, protected from foreign ideas by two large oceans on either side and a USA-clone up north. We have a history of disdain for learning anything from history, since our "pioneer" meme is to build everything from scratch. And most of us are English-only, inoculating us against any threat of contamination.

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This isn't America, I don't know who she is describing but it surly isn't America, the most diverse nation on the planet.

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Mag
I don't think she was talking about your diversity, but your inward focus. Something I have observed when talking with Americans on the Internet. I think its because America is so large, so powerful that the rest of the world kind of recedes as places of little importance. Theres an odd parochialism that occurs. Of course meeting Americans outside of America is another story, naturally.

You think, means you are grasping at straws because you don’t know yourself what she is saying. That’s because, as I said, it’s a rant. It’s crazy talk. Your interpretation shows you are desperate to find logic there, so you construe it in a way that pleases you.

I’m sure she will be back to clean it up. Nice of you to help her out.

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SIG,
PROMOTERS OF ANTI-INTELLECTUALISM
But NO nation with a strong central government wants intellectuals, because they ask awkward questions. And just as certainly, no CORPORATION wants to foster intellectualism either, since intellectuals are less easily influenced into going into debt to buy shit they don't need, and (again) they ask awkward questions.

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On this issue I agree. I think governments have a vested interest in keeping populations compliant and unquestioning. So do corporations for that matter.

First, this stems from paranoia and best applies to communist states. Second, you don’t live here so let me explain it to you. CRAZY, we have the best universities and think tanks in the world. Crazy best describes that perception.

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Mag
Again, if you know anything about advertising, you'd know that in marketing degrees you are taught to exploit, and even create fear. It's a great tool. Think how much of consumerism is based on fear. None of this is new, it's just that you appear to have never heard this before.

I know what advertising is. I also know a rant against capitalism when I see it. Sig is blind with hate and those who think objectively will continue to recognize that in her posts.

I explained once before on a thread here that people who complain about America being so self-absorbed, only ever want to talk about America. Give it a minute, maybe it will sink in. Oh hell let me explain it to you. It’s not that Americans are self-absorbed, it’s that you are obsessed with America.

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Saturday, June 27, 2015 2:27 PM

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However, there was ONE measure where humans displayed a vastly different behavior, and that was our youngs' ability to accept a teaching that didn't correspond to reality...
This is both a "bug" and a "feature" in human mentation.

Interesting stuff.

I red sumwhere that therez a set maleable period in programming our brainz.
We hav a much longer period than other animalz, sumthing like 5 yirz.

After that period, new stuff either haz to fit within an established subject or hav no relation to anything. If it contradicts an established subject, it will be rejected or take a long time to learn. Quantum mechanics, for example, just duznt jibe with how we naturally persieve reality, so the peopl who really understand it are extreemly rare.

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Its impossible to eliminate that dysfunctional aspect of human thought.

Maybe. I think its possible that a way uv thinking coud be taught to little kidz that inocculates them from sement hed syndrome. If not, they can at least lern to examin the lojik uv sumthing insted uv the credentialz uv the peepl pushing it.

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Saturday, June 27, 2015 2:47 PM

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However, there was ONE measure where humans displayed a vastly different behavior, and that was our youngs' ability to accept a teaching that didn't correspond to reality...
This is both a "bug" and a "feature" in human mentation.

Interesting stuff.

I red sumwhere that therez a set maleable period in programming our brainz.
We hav a much longer period than other animalz, sumthing like 5 yirz.

After that period, new stuff either haz to fit within an established subject or hav no relation to anything. If it contradicts an established subject, it will be rejected or take a long time to learn. Quantum mechanics, for example, just duznt jibe with how we naturally persieve reality, so the peopl who really understand it are extreemly rare.

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Its impossible to eliminate that dysfunctional aspect of human thought.

Maybe. I think its possible that a way uv thinking coud be taught to little kidz that inocculates them from sement hed syndrome. If not, they can at least lern to examin the lojik uv sumthing insted uv the credentialz uv the peepl pushing it.

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http://www.nooalf.com

Children are taught how to think for themselves. You prove this when you challenge reality refuseing to spell like everyone else, because spelling words properly is to difficult for you.

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Saturday, June 27, 2015 2:49 PM

rezident owtsidr

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Sorry I didn't understand that your language stuff was in response to anti-intellectualism.

Great!

Now that you understand, I assume you will help with the Nooalf Revolution project.

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One thing I see different in the US to Australia, I think, is the power of religion.

I'v notist that. It makes me wonder why Australia iznt ahed uv the US in science.

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Societies which have religion impacting on policy basically go backwards in terms of ideas and intellect.

The Bush administration did alot uv damaj and the republicanz hav dun a great job uv hobbling our recovery from that mini dark aje. It's incredible that idiotic relijus idealogz like Rick Perry, Michelle Bachman, etc. had a credible shot at bekuming prezident.

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Australia is a secular society, much more so than the US, but our distrust and dislike of intellectualism stems from being hedonistic, sun loving, sports crazy, lazy thinking bums more than anything else.

I'll pit our anti-intellectual lazy brain hedonist sports worshipping skin cansr bumz agenst yourz any day uv the week!

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Saturday, June 27, 2015 2:56 PM

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Great!

Now that you understand, I assume you will help with the Nooalf Revolution project.

http://www.nooalf.com

LOL> No can do. Guess I just have a blind spot when it comes to our inconsistent, puzzling and idiosyncratic language and lovin it as it is. But good luck to you...

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Saturday, June 27, 2015 3:02 PM

rezident owtsidr

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Children are taught how to think for themselves.

Not on this planet. I'm on Earth. Where are you?

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You prove this when you challenge reality refuseing to spell like everyone else, because spelling words properly is to difficult for you.

I can spell OK wen I want.

I am not "challenging reality" I am challenjing institutionalized stupidity.

You hav added another bit uv evidence to the obzerved internet fenominon that attacks on 'bad' spelling will contain spelling errorz.

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Saturday, June 27, 2015 3:44 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Children are taught how to think for themselves.

Not on this planet. I'm on Earth. Where are you?

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You prove this when you challenge reality refuseing to spell like everyone else, because spelling words properly is to difficult for you.

I can spell OK wen I want.

I am not "challenging reality" I am challenjing institutionalized stupidity.

You hav added another bit uv evidence to the obzerved internet fenominon that attacks on 'bad' spelling will contain spelling errorz.

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Your insistence that you are right when society believes you to be wrong and choses another course, is in fact you creating an alternate reality for yourself. The fact that you continue to practice that reality daily shows others you remain unteachable.

I have no delusions in my reality about being able get you to accept something all of society has failed to get you to except. You don’t even realize when you are being laughed at. My suggestion is you slowly wean yourself off of this nonsense, but of course that would be rational and you don't practice rational.

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Sunday, June 28, 2015 1:43 AM

rezident owtsidr

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

LOL> No can do. Guess I just have a blind spot when it comes to our inconsistent, puzzling and idiosyncratic language and lovin it as it is. But good luck to you...

See?

You hav no rite to complain about Thuggery, Rappy, JSF and other conservativez sins you are doing the same thing.

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Sunday, June 28, 2015 1:57 AM

rezident owtsidr

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Your insistence that you are right when society believes you to be wrong and choses another course, is in fact you creating an alternate reality for yourself.

Its not an alternate reality. It iz simply superior teknolojy.

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The fact that you continue to practice that reality daily shows others you remain unteachable.

Unteachable? The word iz 'conform'. Thats wen you do sumthing to fit in even tho you know its stupid.

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I have no delusions in my reality about being able get you to accept something all of society has failed to get you to except.

accept except. You did that on purpose, rite?

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You don’t even realize when you are being laughed at. My suggestion is you slowly wean yourself off of this nonsense, but of course that would be rational and you don't practice rational.

Laff wile you can, monkey boy!

Here: http://www.nooalf.com/GKCoR.htm

Its probably impossible for you to get past your authority/majority based thinking, but read that paje anyway. (mouse over revealz text)

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Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:22 AM

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See?

You hav no rite to complain about Thuggery, Rappy, JSF and other conservativez sins you are doing the same thing.

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So I have to support your idea of language reform otherwise I'm a conservative?

That's a pretty big stretch.

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Sunday, June 28, 2015 9:41 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Your insistence that you are right when society believes you to be wrong and choses another course, is in fact you creating an alternate reality for yourself.

Its not an alternate reality. It iz simply superior teknolojy.

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The fact that you continue to practice that reality daily shows others you remain unteachable.

Unteachable? The word iz 'conform'. Thats wen you do sumthing to fit in even tho you know its stupid.

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I have no delusions in my reality about being able get you to accept something all of society has failed to get you to except.

accept except. You did that on purpose, rite?

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You don’t even realize when you are being laughed at. My suggestion is you slowly wean yourself off of this nonsense, but of course that would be rational and you don't practice rational.

Laff wile you can, monkey boy!

Here: http://www.nooalf.com/GKCoR.htm

Its probably impossible for you to get past your authority/majority based thinking, but read that paje anyway. (mouse over revealz text)

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http://www.nooalf.com

No that was truly a mistake, good catch. I didn't say I had English mastered, far from it. I can't spell a lick.

Do as you will, good luck with that.

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Sunday, June 28, 2015 12:21 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Maybe. I think its possible that a way uv thinking coud be taught to little kidz that inocculates them from sement hed syndrome. If not, they can at least lern to examin the lojik uv sumthing insted uv the credentialz uv the peepl pushing it.

Maybe if we teach children a little bit about how to do magic (what a cool subject!) they will learn something about legerdermain and misdirection?

And maybe teach older kids about meditation? People seem to have a hard time identifying their emotions and accepting they exist (without necessarily acting on them.)

Philosophy is a very useful subject too: what we know, how we think, HOW we know what we know, and why we follow a certain logic, what our irreducible assumptions are.

A while ago I had a bunch of kids at my house (age 6-10) on Monday afternoons (my normal day off from work) for about a month (long story, it was a little bit of volunteerism on my part).

They had no idea what metal was, or glass, or wood, or ceramic. So ONE of the activities I did was explain what the difference were -

glass= melted sand, stiff, hard, see-through, breakable
wood= trees (I had brought in a stick with bark on it and peeled the bark, somewhat bendable
metal =refined from ore, usually silver or grey (except copper and gold), shiny, bendable, electricity conducting
ceramic = melted clay, stiff, hard, not see-through

and set a little timer for five minutes and had them run around looking for at least one thing of each in my kitchen. It was a lot more fun than just droning on and on about stuff. Another time, I split sunshine with a prism, and had them mix colors with paints. And this was just kitchen-stuff, teaching a little material science and observation.

They could teach this in school. The fact that they don't just demonstrates that they're little worker-and-consumer factories.

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Sunday, June 28, 2015 12:37 PM

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You seem to only be anti-violence when it comes to the US and Ukraine, not Russia - why is that?

I've explained this to you about a dozen times already ...

Russia is not my country. I have no control over what THEY do, or what any other nation does. I DO ostensibly have some control over what MY nation does.

I'm fairly firmly of the belief that just as I shouldn't attempt to control what most other people do (I can only really control myself) and trying to do that will lead to all sorts of bad behavior on MY part, that USA shouldn't attempt to control what other nations do. Going down that path will lead to things like supporting terrorists and destroying a nation and killing millions just to destroy one person (whether that person is Saddam or Qaddafi ... or Putin) because you have the belief that you MUST, for some reason, stop that person. (Even if the cure is worse than the disease.)

Let me try explaining this way: If I'm a serial killer, for example, should I be outraged about what robbers are doing? Wouldn't that be a bit hypocritical? Shouldn't I control my own behavior FIRST, before I start bitching about everyone else?

So how about that the USA just stop invading people, stop supporting killers and terrorists (like Israel and Saudi Arabia) first?

AFA Kiev and "Novorossia" and which side I support: Yes, I know, ANY human killing is a tragedy, but that doesn't mean that ALL sides are equally guilty. One side has killed significantly more people than the other (that would be Kiev). Like I said: FIRST count the bodies and THEN figure out which side you're on, if any. And since the USA has killed more people than any other nation in the past 50 years or so, where does that leave me? Supporting the USA for sure, but not its military interventions and destabilizations.

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Sunday, June 28, 2015 12:49 PM

www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2007/06/19/the-alternative-science-r
espectability-checklist/

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

AND FINALLY

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Your insistence that you are right when society believes you to be wrong and choses another course, is in fact you creating an alternate reality for yourself. The fact that you continue to practice that reality daily shows others you remain unteachable.

Entire societies for centuries believed that the sun revolved around the earth. And then Galileo came along and said: No. The earth revolves around the sun.

Was he creating an "alternate reality" for himself? Or did he see the truth when it was society itself that was backwards? Should he have been "teachable" to society's "wisdom"?

Are we all supposed to stick our heads up our butts and defer to what "society" tells us, instead of using our brains?

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Sunday, June 28, 2015 1:37 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Entire societies for centuries believed that the sun revolved around the earth. And then Galileo came along and said: No. The earth revolves around the sun.

Was he creating an "alternate reality" for himself? Or did he see the truth when it was society itself that was backwards? Should he have been "teachable" to society's "wisdom"?

There are millions thinking they are the next Galileo without having done all of the hard work necessary. Life will disappoint these Galileo wannabes. From “The Alternative-Science Respectability Checklist”

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There may have been a time, in the halcyon days of Archimedes or maybe even Galileo and Newton, when anyone with a can-do attitude and a passing interest in the fundamental mysteries could make an important contribution to our understanding of nature. Those days are long past. (And Galileo and Newton, let us note, understood the science of their time better than anybody.) We’ve learned a tremendous amount about how the universe works, most of which is “right” at least in some well-defined regime of applicability. If you haven’t mastered what we’ve already learned, you’re not going to be able to see beyond it.

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Sunday, June 28, 2015 1:57 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I disagree. Anyone with an open mind can interpret data more logically. For example, Stephen Gould re-interpreted the process of evolution as "punctuated equilibrium". DNA has been reinterpreted as "the selfish gene". Human evolution has been interpreted as having a seaside period (and, I have to say, all the evidence so far agrees with that.)

The "big bang" theory can stand another look. If you REALLY want to make huge impact on society, how about coming up with a universal theory of human behavior? Yes, you need to know the underlying data, but in a lot of cases you really don't need to develop more data with megamilliondollar-colliders and such, in a lot of cases all of the data is there, all it needs is a better interpretation.

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Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:00 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

So I have to support your idea of language reform otherwise I'm a conservative?

Yes. Or at least a Luddite. And its not language reform, its an English based international spelling system.

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Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:08 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:No that was truly a mistake, good catch. I didn't say I had English mastered, far from it. I can't spell a lick.

Join the club, wich iz everybody.

It makes sense that a side effect uv English spelling iz degraded attention to detail, sins reading it requirez you to ignore haf the letterz.

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Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:30 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I disagree. Anyone with an open mind can interpret data more logically. For example, Stephen Gould re-interpreted the process of evolution as "punctuated equilibrium". DNA has been reinterpreted as "the selfish gene".

Really bad example to make your point.

Gould was not just anybody. He was not an outsider. He had always been in the thick of battle with his 479 peer-reviewed papers, 22 books, 300 essays, and 101 "major" book reviews. For the unpublished or not peer-reviewed outsiders who have strong opinions, none ever chooses to describe themselves as a crackpot. If you ask them, they’ll always explain that they are on the side of Galileo; and if you don’t agree with their ideas, you’re no better than the Inquisition.

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Sunday, June 28, 2015 4:07 PM

SIG

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Entire societies for centuries believed that the sun revolved around the earth. And then Galileo came along and said: No. The earth revolves around the sun.

Galileo was a giant. Sad you cannot distinguish between JO753 and Galileo. This quote from you does however shine a bright light on the level of your intellect.

It is I who has taken the side of the intellectuals and it is you who are rejecting them; read on.

SIG
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Was he creating an "alternate reality" for himself? Or did he see the truth when it was society itself that was backwards? Should he have been "teachable" to society's "wisdom"?

Because he believes we should all spell the way we text, (abbreviations and slang) his reality is void of the science of language. Nobody is claiming English is perfect, but he ignores it evolved the way it did through necessity and was sculpted by academics. This is why it is what it is today. People have looked at Nooalf, an abbreviation for (new alphabet), and the premise on which it is based. They rejected it, so yes this makes him unteachable.

It is only with the emergence of texting that it serves a limited purpose. Because of its use of abbreviations and slang, it is the limited to this usefulness.

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That statement, THUGR, reveals that you are fundamentally anti-intellectual, and furthermore, it reveals THIS SOCIETY as being the fundamental source of anti-intellectualism. We're all supposed to stick our heads up our butts and defer to what "society" tells us, instead of using our brains.

What this shows is you arguing against yourself when it comes to anti-intellectualism in the same thread. It also gives credence to my point earlier that people who like to address the topic of anti-intellectualism, are usually confused by the subject themselves.

You even argue against yourself when posting with G on a different subject in this thread. You suggest G doesn’t have a heart because he is selective in who he will criticize when people are being killed. Yet once again you refuse to confront Russia for its atrocities stating, what they do is none of your business.

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Your reaction to America's history of invasions etc make it pretty clear that you don't mind if we (or our allies) kill people, even millions of people. "America" thrived by committing a continuous act of genocide, slavery, sexism, and imperialism. All those killed ... it just doesn't mean that much to you. If it did, you would object to it.

And this next quote from you shows you are willing to confront foreign nations when convenient.

SIG
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I could point out Hitler, who used the German feelings of despair and uncertainty during the Weimar years to wrap the people around him

wisdom of the rough-hewn farmer/frontiersman" being better than the corrupt, dandified, static intellectuals of Europe.

And the contradiction when explaining to G why you do not criticize Russia.

SIG
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Russia is not my country. I have no control over what THEY do, or what any other nation does.

So that line about Russia not being any of your business is bullshit. Yep SIG as you say to G, "it just doesn’t matter to you, if it did you would object." You are so full of it. Thanks for the laugh and more importantly, more evidence you’re nuts and bias. Now back to the subject at hand.

English is the compiled work of scholars. It is the official language of 60 sovereign countries and has evolved over the last fourteen hundred years. It has done so by using the science of linguistics, the study of the structure and form of words in language or a language, including inflection, derivation, and the formation of compounds. It is a way of communicating structured by academics and despite where you are from, one size fits all.

You are suggesting I am anti-intellectual for pointing out to someone with no background in Languages his notions are foolish. You further imply that someone who comes along and says we need to spell (lots, lotz) is the one coming from a place of intellectualism not me; that’s funny.

Your suggesting someone who wants to change English into abbreviations and slang, be considered in the same realm intellectually as Galileo, shows you SIG are the anti-intellectual here. I would add dishonest as well. If you agree with this philosophy of spelling, I suggest you adopt it. I noticed you just got done suggesting to G he stand by his convictions. Again, thanks for the laugh.

SIG, you are a walking, talking contradiction. It’s fun to watch you argue with yourself in these threads. It is also the behavior of a Troll.

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Sunday, June 28, 2015 7:06 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

So I have to support your idea of language reform otherwise I'm a conservative?

Yes. Or at least a Luddite. And its not language reform, its an English based international spelling system.

OMG YOU ARE RIGHT WHAT AM I DOING USING TECHNOLOGY COMMUNICATING WITH PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD? I'M OFF TO SMASH THIS COMPUTER!!!!!

Seriously, Jo, this is a hint. If you are trying to sell your idea of an international spelling system, how about you don't resort to insults when someone doesn't come on board straight away. I've read your stuff, I responded to you with decency even if I've disagreed. How about not resorting to ad hominems in your quest. You'll catch more bees with nector than a trap. JUST NOT SPELLING BEES. LOL

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Sunday, June 28, 2015 7:37 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
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Originally posted by JO753:
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

So I have to support your idea of language reform otherwise I'm a conservative?

Yes. Or at least a Luddite. And its not language reform, its an English based international spelling system.

OMG YOU ARE RIGHT WHAT AM I DOING USING TECHNOLOGY COMMUNICATING WITH PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD? I'M OFF TO SMASH THIS COMPUTER!!!!!

Seriously, Jo, this is a hint. If you are trying to sell your idea of an international spelling system, how about you don't resort to insults when someone doesn't come on board straight away. I've read your stuff, I responded to you with decency even if I've disagreed. How about not resorting to ad hominems in your quest. You'll catch more bees with nector than a trap. JUST NOT SPELLING BEES. LOL

Shame on you, you Luddite you.

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Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:48 PM

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Sorry, MD. I appolijize for calling you a consevativ.

Given the appalling level uv stooopidity that haz grown within the political faction identified as conservativ in the US, that wuz an uncalled for insult, even tho I meant it az the proper definition uv the word.

The Luddites, however, had a lijitimate basis for their viewz. They correctly believed that certain teknolojical developments were a thret to their livelyhood. Taken az a jeneral filosofy that improvements to any teknolojy will inevitably displase workerz, the classification fits for you in the case uv Nooalf. Simply by not helping, you are helping thoze who actively seek to block it.

THGRRI - Your statements prove that you know nothing about the history uv English and havent looked at the Nooalf site at all (or worse, did and arent capable uv understanding it).

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Monday, June 29, 2015 2:08 AM

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Sorry, MD. I appolijize for calling you a consevativ.

Given the appalling level uv stooopidity that haz grown within the political faction identified as conservativ in the US, that wuz an uncalled for insult, even tho I meant it az the proper definition uv the word.

The Luddites, however, had a lijitimate basis for their viewz. They correctly believed that certain teknolojical developments were a thret to their livelyhood. Taken az a jeneral filosofy that improvements to any teknolojy will inevitably displase workerz, the classification fits for you in the case uv Nooalf. Simply by not helping, you are helping thoze who actively seek to block it.

THGRRI - Your statements prove that you know nothing about the history uv English and havent looked at the Nooalf site at all (or worse, did and arent capable uv understanding it).

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No worries, accepted. And it's not the first time I've been called a luddite, either. Not pointing the finger st anyone (oh yes I am - I'm married to him - just because he sets up technology in this house to suit himself and doesn't explain how it works...another story).

I have lots of sympathy for the Luddites, but it was ultimately pointless. You can't stuff the technology genii back in the bottle.

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Monday, June 29, 2015 2:31 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Entire societies for centuries believed that the sun revolved around the earth. And then Galileo came along and said: No. The earth revolves around the sun.- SIGNY

Galileo was a giant. Sad you cannot distinguish between JO753 and Galileo. This quote from you does however shine a bright light on the level of your intellect.-THUGR

Did I say that? It's sad that you cannot distingiush between what I write and the voices in your head.

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Was he creating an "alternate reality" for himself? Or did he see the truth when it was society itself that was backwards? Should he have been "teachable" to society's "wisdom"?-SIGNY

Because he believes we should all spell the way we text, (abbreviations and slang) his reality is void of the science of language. Nobody is claiming English is perfect, but he ignores it evolved the way it did through necessity and was sculpted by academics.

What, wha...? "Sculpted by academics"? Are you nuts? And as far as the "science of language" is concerned, you have yet to address it.

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This is why it is what it is today.

Well, since you're wrong about the "sculpted by academics" part, your conclusion is faulty too!

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People have looked at Nooalf, an abbreviation for (new alphabet), and the premise on which it is based. They rejected it, so yes this makes him unteachable.

The Church was against the new solar system. Against evolution too, and many members still are. The fact that established authority is against something doesn't necessarily make it right, or wrong. The only thing that makes something right or wrong is whether it conforms to reality. One way to tell whether or not a phonetic version would be useful is to compare nations with phonetic languages versus nations with non-phonetic languages. Or to teach a group of people phonetic english, and see if they learn it faster than regular english.

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It is only with the emergence of texting that it serves a limited purpose. Because of its use of abbreviations and slang, it is the limited to this usefulness.

Assertion, no evidence.

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It is I who has taken the side of the intellectuals and it is you who are rejecting them; read on.

No, you're taking the side of "academics" (authorities).

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That statement, THUGR, reveals that you are fundamentally anti-intellectual, and furthermore, it reveals THIS SOCIETY as being the fundamental source of anti-intellectualism. We're all supposed to stick our heads up our butts and defer to what "society" tells us, instead of using our brains. -SIGNY

Who are you quoting? That's not what I posted.

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What this shows is you arguing against yourself when it comes to anti-intellectualism in the same thread.

In what way? Please explain.

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You even argue against yourself when posting with G on a different subject in this thread. You suggest G doesn’t have a heart because he is selective in who he will criticize when people are being killed. Yet once again you refuse to confront Russia for its atrocities stating, what they do is none of your business.

I told G to start counting bodies and THEN pick a side. And despite the fact that the USA has a stack of bodies in its ledger that would put anyone else's in recent history shame, I'm still on America's side. I just wish it, and its people, would wake up.

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SIG to G- Your reaction to America's history of invasions etc make it pretty clear that you don't mind if we (or our allies) kill people, even millions of people. "America" thrived by committing a continuous act of genocide, slavery, sexism, and imperialism. All those killed ... it just doesn't mean that much to you. If it did, you would object to it. So I apparently can't even take my own advice.

And this next quote from you shows you are willing to confront foreign nations when convenient.-G

It does? How?

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I could point out Hitler, who used the German feelings of despair and uncertainty during the Weimar years to wrap the people around him

wisdom of the rough-hewn farmer/frontiersman" being better than the corrupt, dandified, static intellectuals of Europe.-SIGNY

And the contradiction when explaining to G why you do not criticize Russia.-THGR

I have no idea what you're trying to imply. I was using examples from other places and times to illustrate a point, not to criticize or approve.

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Russia is not my country. I have no control over what THEY do, or what any other nation does. -SIGNY

So that line about Russia not being any of your business is bullshit. Yep SIG as you say to G, "it just doesn’t matter to you, if it did you would object." You are so full of it. Thanks for the laugh and more importantly, more evidence you’re nuts and bias. Now back to the subject at hand. - THUGR

Again, I have no idea what you're trying to say.

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English is the compiled work of scholars. It is the official language of 60 sovereign countries and has evolved over the last fourteen hundred years. It has done so by using the science of linguistics, the study of the structure and form of words in language or a language, including inflection, derivation, and the formation of compounds. It is a way of communicating structured by academics and despite where you are from, one size fits all.

English is a mish-mash of Latin, Greek, German, French, and even Spanish. I learned French by knowing Latin and English (French for "belt" is "ceinture" pronounced "sen-chyoor", the Latin term for the priest's belt in a "cincture" and the English word for the belt that holds on a horse's saddle in a "cinch"; "bier" in German for "beer" and pronounced exactly the same.)

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You are suggesting I am anti-intellectual for pointing out to someone with no background in Languages his notions are foolish. You further imply that someone who comes along and says we need to spell (lots, lotz) is the one coming from a place of intellectualism not me; that’s funny.

I think you're very defferential to authority and the "way things are done". That's not being an intellectual, IMHO.

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Your suggesting someone who wants to change English into abbreviations and slang, be considered in the same realm intellectually as Galileo

Again- voices in your head

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shows you SIG are the anti-intellectual here. I would add dishonest as well. If you agree with this philosophy of spelling, I suggest you adopt it. I noticed you just got done suggesting to G he stand by his convictions. Again, thanks for the laugh.

I said that I thought it would make English easier to learn. I don't think it will help people be more logical - I see illogic in nations that have phonetic languages - but I do see that nations with phonetic languages generally do better in math and science. Not because it makes people more "logical", but simply because they have more time in the instructional day to NOT address all the vagaries and quirks of spelling!

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SIG, you are a walking, talking contradiction. It’s fun to watch you argue with yourself in these threads. It is also the behavior of a Troll.

And you said you weren't going to reply to me anymore, too.

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Monday, June 29, 2015 11:35 PM

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Suppoze the Ludites had a little more PR savvy. Insted uv smashing the machinez, they went on a campane to sow apathy and extreem respect for tradition, consentrating haf their efforts on kidz.

Where woud we be now?

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Wednesday, July 15, 2015 7:12 PM

bump

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Saturday, July 18, 2015 12:40 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Why?

As far as I can tell, MAGONS' post is correct.

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Saturday, July 18, 2015 2:06 PM

REAVERFAN

It was pretty interesting for a thread here.

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Saturday, July 25, 2015 4:49 PM

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It is the dumbing down of America, which has reached epidemic proportions, and created to keep the ruling class in the land of Status Quo. Man!, that felt good to get off my chest.

With the rise of the Tea Party, it is both part and parcel the pulse of this country to not question or demand change that would benefit us all.

The rise of the Tea Party Patriots is to benefit us all. How did you get that backwards?
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Fuck the poor! As corporations pollute and dilute the masses, that remains their battlecry.

Tea Party Patriots are the opposition to the rich - why do you think the rich liberals on both sides are fighting so hard against the Tea Party? How did you get that backwards? What sort of libtard source are you gobbling that garbage from?

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And God forbid you or I even suggest or even hint at, a conscious effort by the superrich to control that self-same montra. How else do you convince millions to fork over hundreds of billions to the banks after they caused the near-collapse of the world-wide monetary system. And with nary a whimper in protest.

The Bailout, and it's root cause - the collapse, was all orchestrated. It was so convoluted that hardly anyone could figure it out. Indeed clever, evil!, but clever. The ramping up of basic human emotions has been under fire, especially during the 9/11 crisis, and has been throttled ever since.
The plan is to keep us busy whilst they fleece us. What better than to start a race war. I have been watching this develop very carefully over the last few years and it is indeed obvious. But, I could shout this from the rooftops and no one will listen. Yes, indeed.....a evil clever plan.

SGG

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Saturday, July 25, 2015 4:55 PM

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So I have to support your idea of language reform otherwise I'm a conservative?

Yes. Or at least a Luddite. And its not language reform, its an English based international spelling system.

OMG YOU ARE RIGHT WHAT AM I DOING USING TECHNOLOGY COMMUNICATING WITH PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD? I'M OFF TO SMASH THIS COMPUTER!!!!!

Seriously, Jo, this is a hint. If you are trying to sell your idea of an international spelling system, how about you don't resort to insults when someone doesn't come on board straight away. I've read your stuff, I responded to you with decency even if I've disagreed. How about not resorting to ad hominems in your quest. You'll catch more bees with nector than a trap. JUST NOT SPELLING BEES. LOL

MD is sounding dangerously like a conservative. I wonder what it's called on her side of the world.

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Saturday, July 25, 2015 6:51 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

MD is sounding dangerously like a conservative.

Only in your delusions, little boy.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, July 26, 2015 7:01 AM

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Actually JSF iz rite this time (Mark your calander!) but only kuz 'conservativ' iz a relativ term.

The common liberal woud not be in favor uv alot uv thingz I'd do az King uv America.

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Sunday, July 26, 2015 2:26 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

What is conservative about calling for reasoned, polite discussion?

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Sunday, July 26, 2015 11:43 PM

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Nothing.

I think MD iz being overly sensativ in calling my reply an insult. Its only the truth. There wuz no ad hom attack.

If she iz agenst the world having a proper spelling system, she needz to hav a very good reazon, otherwize it iz conservatizm. If her reazon iz that it will put teacherz, tranzlatorz, proof readerz and otherz who depend on kaos for their income, then she iz a luddite.

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Monday, July 27, 2015 1:33 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

MD So I have to support your idea of language reform otherwise I'm a conservative?

JO Yes. Or at least a Luddite. ... Its only the truth. There wuz no ad hom attack.

Wow, that's extremely arrogant as well as personally insulting.

For the record, people have put all sorts of reasoned arguments in front of you as to why your notion, specifically, is stupid and unworkable in its details. They've even pointed out TO YOU that YOU can't seem to consistently follow your brilliant system. But, rather than address their data and logic, you either ignore the argument or derail into insult - or both. You have NEVER addressed their points.

And now, because MD has the nerve to disagree, you claim to be THE owner of THE TRUTH about her, from your lofty Olympian perch. Or, maybe from the basement window of your mom's house. It's a little hard to tell. And you demand that she enter into discourse, though you have without exception failed to do so yourself.

Well, I've wasted too much time on you and your threadjack already.

But yeah, you just confirmed for me AGAIN that the only reason you're stuck on this is because you like to inflate your ego with what a brilliant, intrepid, groundbreaking owner of THE TRUTH you are.

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Monday, July 27, 2015 2:06 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
For the record, people have put all sorts of reasoned arguments in front of you as to why your notion, specifically, is stupid and unworkable in its details.

Such az?

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They've even pointed out TO YOU that YOU can't seem to consistently follow your brilliant system.

For example?

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But, rather than address their data and logic, you either ignore the argument or derail into insult - or both. You have NEVER addressed their points.

Provide links or quotes.

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And now, because MD has the nerve to disagree, you claim to be THE owner of THE TRUTH about her, from your lofty Olympian perch. Or, maybe from the basement window of your mom's house. It's a little hard to tell. And you demand that she enter into discourse, though you have without exception failed to do so yourself.

More unsupported claimz and accuzationz.

Its just the same grandstanding the GoPs here rezort to wen they dont hav any facts or lojik.

Just face the fact that the only reazon you hav iz that you dont want to chanje, wich iz the very hart uv conservatizm.

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Monday, July 27, 2015 2:46 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Silly boy. If you couldn't be bothered to read them the first time, why should I spend my time fetching them for you now?

Meanwhile, here are those quotes where MD asked you if she was a conservative simply because she disagreed with you, and you said yes. And then you doubled down and said that was not an insult, but a fact.

MD So I have to support your idea of language reform otherwise I'm a conservative?

JO Yes. Or at least a Luddite. ... Its only the truth. There wuz no ad hom attack.

Perhaps you recognize them THE THIRD TIME AROUND IN THIS THREAD. You even posted some of them yourself. Or are you going to continue to insist these are 'More unsupported claimz and accuzationz'?

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Monday, July 27, 2015 8:55 PM

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What is conservative about calling for reasoned, polite discussion?

That IS conservative.

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Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:55 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Silly boy.

Plainly an insult.

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If you couldn't be bothered to read them the first time, why should I spend my time fetching them for you now?

To prove they exist.

Quote:
Meanwhile, here are those quotes where MD asked you if she was a conservative simply because she disagreed with you, and you said yes. And then you doubled down and said that was not an insult, but a fact.

MD So I have to support your idea of language reform otherwise I'm a conservative?

JO Yes. Or at least a Luddite. ... Its only the truth. There wuz no ad hom attack.

Wich iz not in dispute. (aside from you misunderstanding it)

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Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:04 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Troll

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Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:59 AM