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I feel that giving a 10 year old kid Ritalin is the equivalent of a pre-emtive strike on their personality, and in essence, limiting their own ability and creativity before they've even had a chance to discover themselves.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I suggest that, just like cigarettes, pills should not be allowed to be fed to children under 18 years old, except for possibly the most extreme cases... say a child who it has been proven to act like Damion from the Omen.

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I feel that giving a 10 year old kid Ritalin is the equivalent of a pre-emtive strike on their personality, and in essence, limiting their own ability and creativity before they've even had a chance to discover themselves.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:

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Originally posted by Storymark:
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

My only problem is that children being fed the pills really aren't old enough or self aware enough to be making these choices for themselves on their own, and usually have no say in the matter since the parents are the deciding factors here. I suggest that, just like cigarettes, pills should not be allowed to be fed to children under 18 years old, except for possibly the most extreme cases... say a child who it has been proven to act like Damion from the Omen.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
http://app1.unmc.edu/PublicAffairs/TodaySite/sitefiles/today_full.cfm?
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You have GOT to see this!

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:

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"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

If your children are on the pill, they are doomed to be EXACTLY like everyone else in the herd...... merely docile puppets and yes-men.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
here is simply no talking sense into anybody who is pro-mind altering drugs

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you want to be hypocrites and tell them to say no to drugs with one face after you've been popping pills in their mouths with your other face for years to make them managable

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This isn't the only way out. This is the easy way out

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If your children are on the pill, they are doomed to be EXACTLY like everyone else in the herd...... merely docile puppets and yes-men.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
You're in more of a box than we are. You're in a box of your own opinion, undistorted by reality

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
There is also no talking sense into someone so wrapped up in your own opinion that you can't understand that these drugs help people. The amazing thing is that there are people on this board AND IN THE POSTS YOU HAVE MADE that have stated unequivocally that the drugs have helped make them functional in society, yet you insist that giving these kids a chance to succeed in life is a bad thing.

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Ritalin is no where near as bad as coke, heroin or meth. And as for weed, shrooms, LSD and the like, as long as my kids don't go overboard I see no reason to not let them use them, though I would never OFFICIALLY support the use of illegal drugs.

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Very true, but the other ways can take months if not years and will likely be no where near as effective. In the meantime the kid is still falling behind and causing problems and setting themselves up for a life of failure and hardship. I would be interested to know if you have actually had a close friend or family member who has\had ADD, my guess is that you haven't.

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Originally posted by Signym:
Hmmm... let's see. Which would I rather do? Watch my kid have seizure after seizure until she becomes a mute, trembling shell who gets lost in her own house, seeing every spark of intelligence and personality disappear into a morass of confusion and disorientation... or give her DRUGS?

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BTW- Altho CALVIN is an imaginative and some would say hyperactive character, let's not confuse the character- who I love - with the creator or with real children. Bill Watterson is a methodical person who can sit for hours thinking about the same thing... here he is on the creative process:

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Dude, if you knew my brother (who, as I said, did take Ritalin for years) you'd know how hard I just laughed at that statement.

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Thatweirdgirl:
Listen Jack, you have your opinion, we have ours. You keep saying your done debating this and that we're insane for putting children on medication, but you just keep on talking.

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I'm sick of it. You don't want kids over medicated, fine. I'm with you, but you do not deny someone the care they need to function. You would have preferred me be a high school flunky? Cause I could have done that. I went to night school so I could get the credits I needed graduate with my class. How's that sit for you? How about cycling in and out of college for eight years...As when I had meds and Fs when I didn't. Or shall we check my work history? Just let it go. Some of us need our brains chemically balanced. Okay?

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Originally posted by Signym:
I take antidepressants because years of unremitting stress finally drove my brain chemistry bonkers. Not only does it help me cope with and plan for my daughter's future in a VERY predatory society without universal health care, it also helps me....

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....change society by becoming politically active and- if necessary- plan for the day when we might up and move someplace else far away, where people know how that civilization and society are good things.

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You're in more of a box than we are. You're in a box of your own opinion, undistorted by reality

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Of course it helped them. Would you continue to pay for and use something you didn't believe was helping you? I have no doubts as to the potency of the drugs. I never said they were placebos.

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let's face it, its basically illegal for the simple reason that any one of us could grow enough seasonally in our tomato gardens to last us all year, with a surplus

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I know my Mom and step-father are both on Prozac, and they're unbearable shits

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I do know other people who think they have ADHD, but because I don't believe in ADD or ADHD this point is moot

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This is simply the way my mind works and I refuse to believe it's a disorder because somebody trying to sell me pills says that it is.

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All of those good grades I got growing up haven't done shit for me

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I could have been learning a trade growing up and had been on my way to mastering it by now if I wasn't forced to go to school

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I think that these kids with supposed problems, as I've said before, are gifted. Insted of feeding them pills we should find a way to make their minds work for them, and for society. They are not broken, the system is broken

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As for your child, this is a completely different beast, and I think you know that I can differentiate the two

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Love me or hate me, I'm not a heartless bastard

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I still think there are may other avenues that could have been chosen and that that was the easiest one

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I'm glad that we can at least agree that there is overmedication occuring

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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here, other than you did what you needed to get where you feel you need to be

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Originally posted by rue:
Those all sound like reasons 'thunk' up by someone who is fairly oppositional.

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Uhm, Frem you come across OK.

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Originally posted by jlin13:
no Robot Chicken fans out there? surprised this hasnt shown up

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Uhm, Frem you come across OK.

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Trust me, you have no idea how much work goes into making that happen.

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