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It's rather sad to see a man's faculties disintegrate right before your eyes.

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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:

you opened that door... i simply walked in (with some evidence you disapprove of)... i mean really, listen to McCain - he makes less sense each day.... he doesn't need the stress of being president - i honestly think the pressure would be too much.

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Originally posted by Righteous9:


Say what you want,

murtha may have had bad facts that he believed were solid when he said those soldiers did those things,

so that is a knock against him, how could it not be....

but while your looking at records for veterans overall Murtha still received an A at veteransreportcard.org, while Mccain, "the man of the soldier" was graded a big fat D.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

An un-scientific poll taken very recently amongst the troops in Iraq showed McCain with 75% support.

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Originally posted by Righteous9:


thanks Jong,

I'm glad we can have this conversation without too many hard feelings on either side.

My question is this. To date, Sarah Palin has demonstrated time and time again that she still can't define the role of Vice President, that she even expects to redefine it as a position with its own powers that extend beyond breaking a tie in the Senate and being kept in the loop so that the VP can take over the presidency at a moments notice.

Her notion that she is in charge of the Senate, as she expained it for a third grader with Peter Jennings, and her notion that the Constitution allows for flexibility on the VP role actually scares me.

She is flat out wrong on those thigs, she has had months to understand them. She hasn't managed to do that.

Mccain's platform, his angle of attack has been that he puts country first. That the country comes before his Presidency, and he has stated that the person he picked for VP would be ready on day one. Sarah Palin was clearly not ready on day one.

She doesn't seem ready two months later, either.

So my question is, do you analalize this information differently? Do you come to a different conclusion? Is she, in your eyes, ready to lead this nation?

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Originally posted by Righteous9:


Jong,

isn't it the constitution that the President swears to uphold? Isn't it the one thing she SHOULD be?

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Jong,

isn't it the constitution that the President swears to uphold? Isn't it the one thing she SHOULD be?

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Jong,

isn't it the constitution that the President swears to uphold? Isn't it the one thing she SHOULD be?

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Nah - for the Republicans, it's just a goddam piece of paper!

Mike

What, no catchy sig-line?

Trolls Against McCain!

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Jong,

isn't it the constitution that the President swears to uphold? Isn't it the one thing she SHOULD be?

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You're getting all hung up over nothing. Once she's sworn in she'll be surrounded by White House council and staff. I guarantee that the only time you'll see her in the Senate is when she is called in to cast a vote to break a tie. With Dems expected to hold and gain a big majority in the Senate I don't see her ever being there, except to sit behind McCain when he makes a State of the Union Address.

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Jong,

isn't it the constitution that the President swears to uphold? Isn't it the one thing she SHOULD be?

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Nah - for the Republicans, it's just a goddam piece of paper!

Mike

What, no catchy sig-line?

Trolls Against McCain!

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You're following me around like a fucking troll idiot. Got nothing better to do than try so desperately to get me to respond to you? You're sad & pathetic. Piss off little man!

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Originally posted by rue:
If Palin follows Cheney's example (and hell, why not, she would be of the executive branch when it comes to privilege and secrecy, and yet, at the same time not OF that branch when it comes to Constitutional limits ...) ... she'll be everywhere. Hanging out in a special protective bunker when shit goes down, hounding CIA analysts for more compliant analysis, outing CIA covert operatives, authorizing Libby to reveal classified pre-war intelligence ... and if she has any luck, having a 'hunting accident' with McCain. You betcha'.

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Jong,

isn't it the constitution that the President swears to uphold? Isn't it the one thing she SHOULD be?

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Nah - for the Republicans, it's just a goddam piece of paper!

Mike

What, no catchy sig-line?

Trolls Against McCain!

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You're following me around like a fucking troll idiot. Got nothing better to do than try so desperately to get me to respond to you? You're sad & pathetic. Piss off little man!

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Not "following", fucknut - I'm on my lunch break. Get all over yourself, you fucking moronic loser.

Oh, and by the way? You just DID respond to me, you worthless scum.

What, no catchy sig-line?

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She will be surrounded by Whitehouse staff picked "officially" by her and Mccain. If she dosn't know by what criteria she's picking them, or worse, if its this very criteria that she is picking htem on, then how is that going to restrain bad judgement and frankly, illegal overstepping of the office?

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She will be surrounded by Whitehouse staff picked "officially" by her and Mccain. If she dosn't know by what criteria she's picking them, or worse, if its this very criteria that she is picking htem on, then how is that going to restrain bad judgement and frankly, illegal overstepping of the office?

Sure, they'll get a lawyer to tell them how they can "stay clean", but don't you want them to be respectufl of the Constitution.... enough to know it?

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Well, I'm single issue focusing because htere actually is a priority responsibility of the Presidency. I may not agree with your other criteria, but I respect it,

however, the President's primary role is to uphold the constitution. That is what he swears an Oath to do. If it's important enough that when he's sworn in, that is part of the swearing in process,

then I think it's an issue that should take priority to you and all Americans, who are America first...not maverick first. The United states isn't as much a place remember, as it is an idea.

I think that idea is tantamount. I'm not sure I understand why you don't see it that way.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Oh grow a set, Jong.

I bust chops when I feel someone is shovelling a load, don't matter who they are, deal with it.

And for the record, I take issue with dumping on Carter.

The man was a mediocre president, that I'll not deny, but the thing about him that impresses me, is that even when his term was over, he never quit, never stopped doing his level best to make the world a better place and in time became a pretty damned good statesman, able to negotiate and reason even with some of the hardest folk to deal with and saved us a whole hell of a lot of trouble that otherwise might have needed a military resolution.

While he's too nice a guy to send to the UN as our rep (cause that one has to be a bit of a crook, and must represent OUR interests in a politically toxic environment) he'd be a damned useful asset in any position as an international negotiator, who's presence carries a respect that our current batch of smack talking assclowns does not.

There's more ways than one to play the game, and a guy with a nice suit and briefcase is a hell of a lot cheaper to deploy than an army.

Even that crooked bastard Nixon was pretty good in his time, going toe to toe at the table with the russians and the chinese, and Reagan weren't so bad neither, him and Gorby settled a lot of stuff without nobody needin to get shot over it.

This cowboy diplomacy shit of the current administration is idiotic and counterproductive, and we're gonna be eatin blowback offa that for another twenty years, unfortunately.

So some respect for Carter, if you please - you don't need to agree with the man to see the logic of getting your interest served without having to resort to military force cause your diplomats are a bunch of offensive incompetent nincompoops like Bolton.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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I am being attacked by too many all over the RWED. I cannot keep up with all the personal insults to me, and I really do not relish hurling insults back.

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Like many of the smarmy little shits on this board...

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You're following me around like a fucking troll idiot. Got nothing better to do than try so desperately to get me to respond to you? You're sad & pathetic. Piss off little man!

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Hey Fremmie..I'll grow a set when you grow a brain. Funny how a so-called "anarchist" who doesn't believe in anything has the nerve to attack someone who does believe in their principles. I also read what you wrote on another thread, attacking me with profanity when I've never written anything like that about you. So just to balance things out a bit, go fuck yourself & go fuck your pathetic douchebag Jimmah Cartah as well. The two of you seem like a match made in retard heaven.

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You're a BIGGER worthless scum than me, so there asswipe.

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You're getting all hung up over nothing. Once she's sworn in she'll be surrounded by White House council and staff.

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