States' RIGHTS and SOVEREIGNTY by out2theblack

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States' RIGHTS and SOVEREIGNTY

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UPDATED: Monday, February 23, 2009 03:31
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Friday, February 20, 2009 1:50 PM

"...Boniek’s measure aims to circumvent federal authority over interstate commerce, which is the legal basis for most gun regulation in the United States. The bill potentially could release Montanans from both federal gun registration requirements and dealership licensing rules. Since the state has no background-check laws on its own books, the legislation also could free gun purchasers from that requirement."

http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2009/02/14/bnews/br26.txt

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Friday, February 20, 2009 2:22 PM

FREMDFIRMA

This'll run yer motor then.

Oklahoma House Votes 83 to 13 to Restore Sovereignty Under the 10th Amendment Over All Powers Not Granted to the Federal Government
http://www.jbs.org/index.php/us-constitution-blog/4539

Think about that, 83 to 13.

-F

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Friday, February 20, 2009 10:56 PM

DREAMTROVE

OK, gotta swing by for a visit. NA sovereignty is big now for the obvious reason: govt. sucks.

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Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:36 PM

OUT2THEBLACK

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
This'll run yer motor then.

Oklahoma House Votes 83 to 13 to Restore Sovereignty Under the 10th Amendment Over All Powers Not Granted to the Federal Government
http://www.jbs.org/index.php/us-constitution-blog/4539

Think about that, 83 to 13.

-F

Only 13 morons in that crowd ?

Folk should give the Okies a lot more credit...That's a good average !

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Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:35 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

The first step back to a republic of states maybe?

God, I hope so.

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Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:39 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

State legislators apparently know the fed govt is a scam. It's a big inside joke to them.

I did a video interview of a TN state rep, Frank Nicely, this week. He said the 14th amendment was never ratified by the states, just like the 16th Amendment for the income tax.

I don't know how that would affect a fed gun ban, but it might be extremely important. It might stop the feds from having jurisdiction except on fed land, like military bases or DC.

This guy is the typical career politician, old school southern republican, can talk about anything and make you laugh while still selling BS mixed with truth.

But the rat news he said with a dead straight face, just not in the public meeting to the group of old party loyalists. But I got it on audio.

He's one of the politicians who signed up for suing Obama for his birth certificate in TN. He didn't like to talk about it to the group, and a Change Agent interrupted his reply to the question, and they changed the subject. So it's probably just another joke to them.
www.tennessean.com/article/20090212/NEWS02/90212065

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Monday, February 23, 2009 3:31 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
I did a video interview of a TN state rep, Frank Nicely, this week. He said the 14th amendment was never ratified by the states

He lied...or your lying...or you are both dead wrong on the facts.:

The Congress proposed the Fourteenth Amendment on June 13, 1866 and on July 9, 1868, three-fourths of the states (28 of 37) had ratified the Amendment:

Connecticut (June 25, 1866)
New Hampshire (July 6, 1866)
Tennessee (July 19, 1866)
New Jersey (September 11, 1866)
Oregon (September 19, 1866)
Vermont (October 30, 1866)
Ohio (January 4, 1867)*
New York (January 10, 1867)
Kansas (January 11, 1867)
Illinois (January 15, 1867)
West Virginia (January 16, 1867)
Michigan (January 16, 1867)
Minnesota (January 16, 1867)
Maine (January 19, 1867)
Nevada (January 22, 1867)
Indiana (January 23, 1867)
Missouri (January 25, 1867)
Rhode Island (February 7, 1867)
Wisconsin (February 7, 1867)
Pennsylvania (February 12, 1867)
Massachusetts (March 20, 1867)
Nebraska (June 15, 1867)
Iowa (March 16, 1868)
Arkansas (April 6, 1868)
Florida (June 9, 1868)
North Carolina (July 4, 1868, after having rejected it on December 14, 1866)
Louisiana (July 9, 1868, after having rejected it on February 6, 1867)
South Carolina (July 9, 1868, after having rejected it on December 20, 1866)
*Ohio passed a resolution that purported to withdraw its ratification on January 15, 1868. The New Jersey legislature also tried to rescind its ratification on February 20, 1868. The New Jersey governor had vetoed his state's withdrawal on March 5, and the legislature overrode the veto on March 24. Accordingly, on July 20, 1868, Secretary of State William H. Seward certified that the amendment had become part of the Constitution if the rescissions were ineffective. The Congress responded on the following day, declaring that the amendment was part of the Constitution and ordering Seward to promulgate the amendment.

Meanwhile, two additional states had ratified the amendment:

Alabama (July 13, 1868, the date the ratification was "approved" by the governor)
Georgia (July 21, 1868, after having rejected it on November 9, 1866)
Thus, on July 28, Seward was able to certify unconditionally that the Amendment was part of the Constitution without having to endorse the Congress's assertion that the withdrawals were ineffective.

There were additional ratifications and rescissions; by 2003, the Amendment had been ratified by every state in the Union as of 1868:[25]

Oregon (withdrew October 15, 1868)
Virginia (October 8, 1869, after having rejected it on January 9, 1867)
Mississippi (January 17, 1870)
Texas (February 18, 1870, after having rejected it on October 27, 1866)
Delaware (February 12, 1901, after having rejected it on February 7, 1867)
Maryland (1959)
California (1959)
Oregon (1973)
Kentucky (1976, after having rejected it on January 8, 1867)
New Jersey (2003, after having rescinded on February 20, 1868)
Ohio (2003, after having rescinded on January 15, 1868)

Edited to add: And don't go getting all "Ohio wasn't a state till 1951"...sure the paperwork got lost...

Edited to add even more goodies: Sure there was controversy. Some of the states that ratified the Amendment were at the time under armed occupation. One could argue...correctly in at least he case of Louisiana, that they were compelled to do so.

And then there is West Virginia. The Constitution says a State cannot be divided without the consent of its legislature. West Virginia was divided after Congress recognized an illegal "rump" legislature in Wheeling (going so far as to seat two "Senators" elected from the convention). That legislature then organized a convention that applied for statehood which was granted in 1863. It was clearly illegal and unconstitutional. Following the Civil War, Virginia sued West Virginia in the U.S. Supreme Court in the case known as Virginia v. West Virginia, seeking to reclaim Berkeley and Jefferson counties. Virginia v. West Virginia was decided 7-3 by the Supreme Court in favor of West Virginia. Later West Virginia was made to assume a share of Virginia's 1863 debts roughly $12.3million.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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