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Goodbye

POSTED BY: WHOZIT
UPDATED: Sunday, June 14, 2009 04:46
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Saturday, June 13, 2009 11:55 AM

It was a nice run.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525763,00.html

Might as well go out with a bang and make people miss ya. Am I wrong?

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Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:59 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

But I thought everyone wanted a Hemi? How can carmakers who offer mostly big cars, trucks, and SUVs powered by BIG engines be going out of business?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Saturday, June 13, 2009 5:55 PM

AG05

Just when they start selling a proper car (albeit a rebadged Aussie ass-hauler) they kill the brand.

Mercy is the mark of a great man.
Guess I'm just a good man.
Well, I'm alright.

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Saturday, June 13, 2009 9:16 PM

MACBAKER

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
But I thought everyone wanted a Hemi?

A Hemi, is commonly considered a Mopar (Dodge/Chrysler) designation, not a Pontiac term.

Pontiac sold 4 and 6 cylinder cars (the G5 and G6) but the only cars they had that weren't rebadged Chevys or Toyota's, were the Holden built, V8 powered, rear wheel drive G8 sedan and the cancelled GTO coupe.

Both were awesome performance cars, but it was either a case of "too little, too late", or more likely the "wrong product at the wrong time!"

It's a shame GM's most iconic brand died in such a sad way! It's a bigger shame GM was trailing everyone else in innovation (light hybrid cars and SUVs and E-85 Flex fuel engines?), while Toyota, Honda and even Ford are industry leaders in hybrids!
The new Ford Fusion Hybrid is a critical hit in the automotive press!

http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-fusion-hybrid.html

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=138726

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0812_2010_ford_fusion_h
ybrid_first_drive/index.html

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/12/13/abg-first-drive-2010-ford-fusi
on-hybrid-43-1-mpg-on-the-street/

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

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Sunday, June 14, 2009 4:46 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by MacBaker:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
But I thought everyone wanted a Hemi?

A Hemi, is commonly considered a Mopar (Dodge/Chrysler) designation, not a Pontiac term.

Oh, I know; that's kind of an "inside joke" between WhoZit and I. He tends to refer to any V8 as a "Hemi". And in truth, there's something to that. I can't think of an automobile engine made today that doesn't have a semi-hemispherical combustion chamber cross section, which is what gave Mopar's Hemi its name. The most iconic of the Hemis were the 426-cubic-inch displacement models, which puffed out 425 horsepower (SAE gross), which really seemed like something at the time. Of course, nowadays, a decently designed performance engine will pump out 100hp per liter, so a half-decent Hemi of 426 cubes should be belting out closer to 650 horsepower without the benefit of turbochargers or supercharger.

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Pontiac sold 4 and 6 cylinder cars (the G5 and G6) but the only cars they had that weren't rebadged Chevys or Toyota's, were the Holden built, V8 powered, rear wheel drive G8 sedan and the cancelled GTO coupe.

Yup. Too bad they didn't get to develop a Firebird alongside the new Camaro. I always liked the first-gen Firebirds much more than their Camaro counterparts.

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Both were awesome performance cars, but it was either a case of "too little, too late", or more likely the "wrong product at the wrong time!"

Sounds like typical GM strategy, really.

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It's a shame GM's most iconic brand died in such a sad way! It's a bigger shame GM was trailing everyone else in innovation (light hybrid cars and SUVs and E-85 Flex fuel engines?), while Toyota, Honda and even Ford are industry leaders in hybrids!
The new Ford Fusion Hybrid is a critical hit in the automotive press!

I won't shed too many tears over the loss of the Pontiac brand. There were some pretty decent Studebaker and AMC cars once upon a time, too, but nobody seems too broken up over their demise.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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