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5 reasons why Obama will hike middle-class taxes

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 8:16 AM

SKYWALKEN


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1) Obama knows the budget math doesn’t work. Put aside today’s budget mess. It’s gospel among center-left wonks (the kind of folks who give Obama economic advice) that structural government spending as a percentage of GDP is headed sharply higher over the long term because of entitlements — and there’s little that can be done about it. The ratio has been around 20 percent or so the past few decades, and number crunchers forecast a sharp rise to 25 percent (best case scenario) to 30 percent (worst case) of GDP over the next few decades. Tax revenues typically hover around 18 percent of GDP. That gap — representing $500 billion to $1 trillion a year — will need to be closed or else cause economic chaos. The possible answers: a) less spending, b) higher tax revenues from higher growth, or c) higher tax revenues from higher rates on the non-wealthy. Oh, and the wonks are convinced “a” is a political impossibility and “b” an economic one. They’re wrong, but that’s what they think.

2) Obama seems to prefer tax hikes to spending cuts. Reduced future healthcare spending needs to be a huge part of the budget solution, and ObamaCare doesn’t make the grade at this point. Right now the various Obamacrat plans actually make things worse by failing to “bend the curve.” What’s more, Obama has proposed nothing as president to make Social Security solvent. And during the campaign, his preferred fix was higher payroll taxes rather than commonsense measures like extending the retirement age or changing how benefits are calculated. Of course, Obama has also proposed raising income, investment, corporate and energy taxes. Cut spending or raise taxes – for Obama it’s an easy pick, unfortunately.

3) Obama has already tried raising taxes. Let’s, for the sake of argument, ignore the increased federal cigarette tax that would certainly seem to be a violation of Obama’s tax pledge. Call it a misdemeanor offense. But what about his cap-and-trade proposal, a de facto energy tax on everyone? Before the plan was modified in the House, the White House expected the plan to bring in some $80 billion a year from 2012 to 2019 by auctioning off carbon emission permits (probably to pay for healthcare reform). And making energy more costly is as about as broad-based a tax as you can get.

4) Obama’s advisers are for higher taxes. Let’s review, for example, what White House economic adviser and guru Larry Summers said on Sunday about tax hikes: “There is a lot that can happen over time. It is never a good idea to absolutely rule things out no matter what.” Indeed, Summers won’t rule it out because he thinks all the Bush tax cuts need to go, not just the ones for so-called rich folks. Here is Summers from earlier this year on Meet the Press when he put no qualifiers on letting the Bush tax cuts expire at the end of 2010: “I don’t think there’s any question they have to be repealed. The country can’t afford them for the long run. … They can’t be, they can’t be part of the long-run budget picture.” Not for anyone, it seems.

5) Obama doesn’t seem to think high taxes are harmful. Think about this: Not only was the top income tax rate a stratospheric 70 percent when President Reagan took office in1981, the tax code was not indexed to inflation. A lethal combo for economic growth. But here’s what Obama wrote about the Reagan tax cuts in The Audacity of Hope: “The high marginal tax rates that existed when Reagan took office may not have curbed incentives to work or invest, but they did distort investment decisions — and did lead to the wasteful industry of setting up tax shelters.” That’s it! Heavens, if Obama doesn’t think the pre-Reagan tax code wasn’t a disincentive to working, saving and investing, is there any tax system that he would find anti-growth?

Bottom line: The belief in the need for higher, European-style taxes (like a VAT) fills the policy cloud that surrounds Obama. It’s hard to overstate this. It’s right up there with global warming. Obama knows he faces a looming fiscal crisis and higher taxes will be his weapon of choice. To paraphrase Mondale, “Obama will raise middle-class taxes. He won’t tell you (yet). I just did.



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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 8:18 AM

RUE

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How long a time do you give till you decide if your prediction is true ? Is this a short-term or long-term forecast ?

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 11:24 AM

FREMDFIRMA



In other news, water is wet, the sun will rise in the east, and politicians lie.

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 11:55 AM

SIMONWHO


Unfortunately the right's claim to fiscal responsibility is deader than Reagan. So let's give not taxing the crap out of the poor a chance, eh?

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 12:09 PM

RUE

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I agree.

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 12:14 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Fiscal irresponsibility seems to be the bread and butter of both parties. Their fiscal mistakes may vary (though not always) but the essential failure to spend wisely seems to be a trademark of politics ever since I can remember.

There is something I find very troubling in these sorts of threads.

When someone points out the fiscal mistakes of the Republicans, then the Republicans respond by saying, "Oh yeah, what about this boneheaded Democrat spending?"

When someone points out the fiscal mistakes of the Democrats, then the Democrats respond by saying, "Oh yeah, what about this boneheaded Republican spending?"

It is as though people see this as a contest to determine who can be marginally less awful.

We should be uniting to denounce fiscal irresponsibility in any party regardless of our affiliation.

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 4:53 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Yes to Israeli Independence


Indeed. I vote we stop sending our tax dollars to Israel. Tomorrow. Let's let them see what "independence" REALLY means...

All in favor?


The top 5 reasons whoever followed Bush was going to have to raise taxes regardless:

1) Iraq. Launching a needless, illegal, unjustified, and ill-advised war without any kind of planning beyond the first 24 hours was supposed to cost, according to Bush's advisors, "$17 billion at the most" and be over in a matter of days. Instead, here we are, 6 and a half years later, still stuck in the Sandbox, well over 4300 U.S. soldiers dead in the bargain, at a cost of somewhere north of two trillion dollars.

2) Afghanistan. We went in all hellfire, fury, and brimstone - and then we turned away. We had strong indications that we had Bin Laden cornered in Tora Bora - and we let him go. And then we lost interest in Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and the Taliban. We went in once again without any clear mission objectives beyond "get those sumbitches", and we're still stuck there, because we have no idea what the hell we're supposed to do. Kill Al Qaeda? Topple the Taliban? Then what?

3) Cut taxes for the very richest of the rich by over a trillion dollars, just at the exact time we were undertaking one war and launching another, and while our President was telling us that our patriotic duty and our sacrifice in this time of war and national strife would be to "go shopping". Even the people he cut the taxes for told him flat out that they didn't want the cut and that it would be counterproductive.

4) The economy. Somehow, cutting taxes for the richest 2% of Americans and launching two wars wasn't enough to create a lasting economic boom, and by 2007, it was all coming down around his ears. Still, he refused to listen.

5) The Bush Bailouts. On his way out the door, Bush handed nearly a trillion dollars to his best friends on Wall Street - with no strings attached and no accountability whatsoever. And when it disappeared into the "bonuses" and golden parachutes of the very same friends of Bush who collapsed the economy in the first place, we weren't even allowed to ask why!

With all of these things going on in the last eight years, there was only about a one hundred percent chance that SOMEONE was going to have to raise taxes somewhere along the way to try to dig us out of the shit-deep hole that Bush dug us into. This was a country that Bush inherited with a budget SURPLUS and a national debt being paid down, and in only eight short years he managed to more than double that debt and walk out the door with well over a trillion dollars in deficit spending just in 2008!

Reagan was a complete fuck-up, but even at his Alzheimer's-ridden worst, he wasn't capable of fucking up on such a monumental scale as Bush did.

WORST. PRESIDENT. IN. LIVING. MEMORY.

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 2:01 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


QED Anthony.

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:24 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


And the reason to NOT be upset over Bush's enormous failures ?

Can you name a few ? Or even just one ?

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:31 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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QED Anthony.



If you have specific ideas for trimming spending, I'm all ears.

One of them, they already did: Kill the F22 Raptor program. Of course, we're still stuck with 200 of them at $200,000,000 each - a plane with no mission profile, no use, no utility in the real world of today, and no foreseeable mission in the future. And it was one of the hardest things to kill, even though the Pentagon didn't want it and the Defense Secretary himself didn't want it!

I could save us some more money by simply pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan completely. After all, if we're not going to state a clear mission objective, we're doing nothing there but wasting our time anyway. If the mission was to vastly increase the opium and heroin production in the region, then Mission Accomplished! Ditto if the mission in either war was to engender widespread hatred of the United States.

How to increase revenue and cut spending some more? Legalize pot and tax it. And while you're at it, let all non-violent marijuana prisoners out of prison. Hell, start working on transitioning ALL non-violent drug offenders out of prison and into rehab programs, and you'll be able to close more than half the prisons in the country...

What other ideas have you got? Anyone?

Mike

Sweeping generalizations are always wrong!

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:47 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by rue:
And the reason to NOT be upset over Bush's enormous failures ?

Can you name a few ? Or even just one ?


Just one? Ok, no domestic terrorist attacks on 9/12/2001.

I can name another 2600 more or less off the top of my head.


H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:48 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
What other ideas have you got? Anyone?


Tax abortions.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:49 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Skywalken:
http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/08/04/5-reasons-why-ob
ama-will-hike-middle-class-taxes



Only need one reason...he's a Democrat.

Turns out, historically speaking, Democrats raise taxes.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:51 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Honest-to-god health care reform. 30% of insurance premiums go to "administrative costs" and profits. Pharmas make huge profits. 30% of all health care spending goes for unenecesary care (un-needed tests and hospitalizations). Fix that, and you got an extra trillion or two (or three) each year to play with.

But personally, I have NO PROBLEM with higher taxes on the exceedingly wealthy and on corporations. Although we formally have the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world (38%) we have so many loopholes that multibillion dollar companies pay no taxes at all. Time for them to pay their fair share for all the benefits they derive from out government (among them, military assistance when they want to wring more profit out of hapless nations)

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:51 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"Just one? Ok, no domestic terrorist attacks on 9/12/2001."

Whatever happened to 9/11 ? Have you forgotten already ?

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 6:21 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
What other ideas have you got? Anyone?


Tax abortions.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.



Tax children. After all, they're a FAR greater drain on the system than those who WEREN'T born!



Also, tax churches, especially any of them that want to throw their hat in the political realm...

Mike

Sweeping generalizations are always wrong!

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 6:22 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by Skywalken:
http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/08/04/5-reasons-why-ob
ama-will-hike-middle-class-taxes



Only need one reason...he's a Democrat.

Turns out, historically speaking, Democrats raise taxes.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.



Turns out, historically speaking, Republicans do, too. "Read my lips..." and all that - and then he goes and signs one of the largest tax increase in history!

Just because they SAY they don't raise taxes, doesn't really mean they don't. You should know better, "Hero" - after all, how many "guilty" criminals have you ever prosecuted? Didn't they all claim they didn't do it?

Mike

Sweeping generalizations are always wrong!

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 6:24 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
And the reason to NOT be upset over Bush's enormous failures ?

Can you name a few ? Or even just one ?


Just one? Ok, no domestic terrorist attacks on 9/12/2001.

I can name another 2600 more or less off the top of my head.


H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.



But boy-howdy, was his record ever super-shitty the day before that!

So you're willing to give Bush a pass on ALL his enormous failures because of... his BIGGEST failure? Because he so utterly failed us as a nation on September 11, 2001 and in the days leading up to it ("Bin Laden Determined To Strike Within U.S." et al), you forgive all of his other failures?

Interesting.

Mike

Sweeping generalizations are always wrong!

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