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Friday, November 20, 2009 4:24 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Has anybody here tried it?

Seems to cost 4 times more than Melapet from Chinamart. But it might save in vet fees.

In theory, if it has added nutrients, carnivores would live twice as long.

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Dog eat dog?

I personally have been able to trace euthanized pets from veterinary clinics in the city where I live to rendering plants where they are processed; the end results are shipped to pet food companies. Pentobarbital, the drug used to euthanize these animals, ends up being fed to our pets. Results of a study conducted by the University of Minnesota show that pentobarbital "survived rendering without undergoing degradation." In the late 1990s, officials from the Food and Drug Administration, Center for Veterinary Medicine (FDA/CVM) decided to investigate a theory that dogs were exposed to pentobarbital through dog food. Researchers developed a test to detect pentobarbital in dry commercial dog foods.

Tests were conducted in 1998 and again in 2000. The first series of tests detected only the presence of pentobarbital but did not indicate the levels that were present in the foods. The second series of tests used 25 samples: 15 were found to contain pentobarbital. Ol' Roy, Heinz, Kibbles 'n Bits, Trailblazer, Dad's, Purina Pro Plan, Reward and a number of lesser-known brands were among the pet foods showing various levels of pentobarbital.

www.alternet.org/healthwellness/54236/



Vegan Petfood
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_food
http://www.vegancats.com
http://www.petfoodshop.com

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Friday, November 20, 2009 4:33 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Friday, November 20, 2009 5:22 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Yes, soy is a poison plastic that should be banned.

Henry Ford made a car out of it.

Jap emperors used it for mind control to effeminize men.

The vegan pet foods don't have soy. That should tell you something.

Taurine is a key additive for vegan cat food, to simulate muscle food.


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Friday, November 20, 2009 5:27 AM

DREAMTROVE


That's quite possible.

I might have told this story, but I was with my mom and she said "oh goodie, a robin caught a worm!" she loves birds. Well I said "not good for the worm" and she said "but good for the robin." Well, at that point I decided to challenge that.

So, I looked it up. A robin who eats worms and bugs lives 1-2 years, about 10% of the lifespan of his much rarer nut-seed-berry eating compatriots, who are the same species, but simply choose a different lifestyle.

Well, then I went and read about other birds, and the same pattern followed until I got to parrots. Parrots eat a wide variety of nuts fruits seeds and berries, but it's not a random variety at all, it's well chosen, and passed on from one generation to the next by a lot of time investment by the parents in teaching their children what to eat, where to find it, how much an when. Parrots can live up to 120, sometimes 150 years.

Hoever, if this cycle is broken, orphaned and isolated individuals and groups of parrots will start emulating what they see other birds doing. If this happens, their life expectancies in the wild plummet to around 15-30 years, similar to that of most other birds in their metabolic rate range. (all lifespans should be counted by metabolic rate, not time, and seemly random variations would disappear.)

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Friday, November 20, 2009 5:37 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

This reminds me of the Road to Wellville. One of the film's characters kept either a tiger or a lion in captivity (I forget which) and fed it a vegan diet. He claimed that such a diet would help the animal to live longer and become less ferocious.

He also advocated such a diet for people, and said that the poop produced by a human body on a proper diet should smell like a fresh baked buscuit.

He also advacated celibacy, to promote good health and longevity.

And frequent enemas.

I'm not sure I have the willpower to adopt all the policies and dietary changes that would help me to live a longer life.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, November 20, 2009 6:26 AM

BYTEMITE


Hmm. I know they slip fruits and vegetables into various catfoods, I've even bought some once with blueberries for anti-oxidants.

Can a carnivorous animal survive without meat? If the catfood doesn't smell like fish, that is have the fish oil that's also put in for omega-3, it doesn't seem like my cats will eat it. They're hardwired to avoid most vegetable foods.

You should see how they react when I offer them a banana. Recoil, rapid blinking, then they flee.

I know that one of my cats is a furry little glutton and will try to sample more different kinds of food than other cats I've had will. She'll try to eat some of my sliced protein supplement when I'm trying to make a sandwich.

I thought soy stimulates production of all the sex hormones, not just estrogen? My dad had to stop drinking soy milk because his testosterone levels were getting too high and he was getting aggressive.

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Friday, November 20, 2009 6:33 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


One of the dogs at my work, Goldie, LOVES vegetables. Carrots and broccoli are her favorites; she prefers them raw. But she'll also eat lettuce, cabbage, celery.

Still, if I'm having chicken, she wants chicken.

My dog Jeepie won't have vegetables. I've tried. She might tolerate some veggies in her food, but she won't eat them on their own. She gets California Naturals dog food, and seems quite happy and healthy with that.

Of course, it also helps to remember that when I found her, she was literally living out of garbage cans. ;)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Friday, November 20, 2009 7:35 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Well, I do like to rag on some of the cats over their dietary conduct...

Kallista will, of course, try to eat ANYTHING she sees me put in my mouth, but that's cause she's a spoiled rotten brat who's "entitled" to a "share" of anything I have...
Of course, some things she's learned ain't worth eating/drinking that way.

Ghoster is a bread junkie, which is why bread goes in the freezer around her, cause she'll chomp right through the bag and munch on the bread while Puppy and Kallista eat the freakin BAG and then run around foaming at the mouth, which caused a bit of panic the first time they did that.

Puppy for some odd reason likes corn and mashed potatoes, but she'll eat damn near anything, and has a hankering for crinkly plastic.

Kallista goes completely bonkers for pastry or sweets, most especially caramel and chocolate, the latter of which she cannot have cause it's all but poisonous to cats.
Oddly enough, she does NOT like tuna, only cat I've ever known to dislike it - she has to have pink salmon or else, which is of course what she is getting for thanksgiving.

Okay, that said, before I bore ya like, TO DEATH...

If you wanna examine how an animals dietary habits impact it's health, Dream - study Skunks, they have a very specific diet which must be adhered to, which I only know from a couple animal rescue folks who've tried to pawn one off on me before - I got enough cats without adding a polecat to the horde!

As for vegetarianism, I remain wholly unconvinced, as almost every vegan I know is both laden with health problems, and consuming tons of supplements to try to stave off the negative impacts - which leads to me to believe any "natural" diet which requires such isn't natural at all.

And hell, petroleum occurs "naturally" but you wouldn't wanna EAT it, would you ?

I couldn't be a vegan anyhows cause I have a very bad reaction in response to any attempt to eat most vegetation, and do not consider projectile vomiting for ninety plus minutes to be fun - repeated attempts to force the issue when I was younger had little effect but to land me in the hospital with a bunch of IVs stickin in me, so I have to stick with fruits, starch-type veggies, bread and meat, with a small amount of cheese or milk as tolerable, cause too much of those will set it off as well.

Thus, one can imagine my reflexive reaction to someone trying to propose the idea of existing on something I know damn well is suicidal for me to try to eat, right ?
No one has ever quite figured out WHAT causes this, but it appears to be a form of allergic reaction, and I ain't never been fond enough of the medical profession to play along.

As for the cats, I feed them what they want, and limit the amount of sharing so they don't get booty-butt from it - and it works quite well as Kallista is older than most peoples kids.

If I tried to pawn off "vegan" cat food on them I'd probably have a revolt, Friskies Ocean Fish (now called Seafood Sensations) is the ONLY dry food they'll tolerate, and I've yet to see any felidae have ill effects from it.

I tried that Indoor Delights stuff when I found a sample bag attached to the litter I was buying, and every one of em but Ghost turned their nose up at it like it was toxic... and even Ghoster went and became violently ill after a few good chomps on it - I tossed it quick.

Commercial brand or not, I refuse to mess with something that's worked for every cat I've ever known, cause I've known a LOT of cats.
Besides which, I will not give them anything *I* find completely repulsive (besides squid, yicck!) and as such know personally that particular brand and flavor are quite acceptable in taste.

-F

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Friday, November 20, 2009 10:24 AM

BYTEMITE


Sounds to me that you have a bean, soy, and/or nut allergy to me.

My grandma has one of those, makes things tricky.

Ah, cats. People don't realize animals have personalities and just how different every pet can be until they've had a few. Finding foods that all of your cats like can be an interesting task. We still haven't found one that Misty won't eventually turn her nose up at, I think she must eat it so much that she eventually gets sick of it.

She's also chunky, despite being the most active (read: ADHD psychotic) cat I've ever had... Can't figure out how to moderate her intake and keep her weight down, because our other cat is really skinny.

But maybe because at least someone is home three out of four days of the week, maybe we ought to put the food away when we're home unless they come begging for us. And they DO know how to beg for food... they'll scratch at our doors at four in the morning if we don't put them to bed somewhere for the night, and let them out when we get up.

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