Don't drink the water by Bytemite

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Don't drink the water

POSTED BY: BYTEMITE
UPDATED: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 14:12
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Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:37 PM

Grr, post issues. But anyways.

Problems with Tap water.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/17/us/17water.html?_r=2&emc=eta1

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Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:37 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Don of the Dead?

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Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:38 PM

BYTEMITE

Nah, accidentally hit enter while my fingers were flying. Fixed.

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Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:18 PM

KWICKO

And fixed well. Made my response look a bit silly and disjointed. :)

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Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:29 PM

BYTEMITE

Ah, don't worry about it. It's fun when someone (me) messes up a post. Especially when kitties are involved.

But anyway, as someone who's in in the environmental clean-up field, I have to say I sympathize with these scientists. Surprisingly in Utah, environmental PR has been getting better, which is nice, it's definitely good to have cooperation when it comes to protecting public health.

Most people weren't ever taught how to read data results for groundwater contamination. The law says it's clean, so that means they think it's pristine. Unfortunately, no, even in untouched water you can get dangerous levels of contamination. Usually metals, like Calcium and Magnesium. Which are important minerals for the body to have, but still dangerous in too high a dose. As the toxicologists say, "the dose makes the poison." Water clean-up levels are based on risk.

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Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:02 PM

KWICKO

Yeah, the article depresses and disturbs me. :(

Water quality seems to be like the FDA approval scam. People see that something has been approved by the FDA, and they assume that means it's proven to be 100% healthy and harmless. In fact, what that means is that the FDA hasn't found anything deadly in that substance YET. People think of it as the ceiling, the height of safety approval, when it should be viewed as the floor. If something is FDA approved, that means it passes some MINIMUM standards of not being known to be imminently lethal; it doesn't mean it's good for you. :)

And yeah, water really SHOULD meet some much higher standards. But hey, a little arsenic couldn't hurt, right? Hexafluoric acid? What's the worst that could happen?

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:15 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Lithium in water 'curbs suicide'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8025454.stm

Because fluoride acid causes it.

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Thursday, December 17, 2009 4:37 PM

BYTEMITE

I am not happy at all with water fluoridation. They passed that here, I think my part of Salt Lake City (it's divided into smaller cities) was the only one to try to resist, but they forced the city to add fluoride to the water treatment system. :(

I did some research on fluoride back in college, back before I'd actually gone into my field, so I'm by no means an expert on this subject. But a group of scientists within the EPA, Union 3 I think it is, they had a lot of their findings about Fluoride repressed by the Bush Administration. One of the more startling ones was that fluoride binds to fat cells in the brains of rats, and I found another study (not by EPA, so I'm not sure how credible, but it was peer reviewed) that measured significant drops in IQ between people in fluoridated areas versus areas that don't.

After that, I started drinking exclusively Diet Soda rather than the water here. Better cancer from Aspartame than stupidity. I don't even drink ALCOHOL because I'm so protective of my brain cells.

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Friday, December 18, 2009 12:46 AM

CITIZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
But hey, a little arsenic couldn't hurt, right?

A little Arsenic is good for you. Before antibiotics it was a treatment for syphilis, it's even been shown to send some cancers into remission.

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Friday, December 18, 2009 12:51 AM

CITIZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
I don't even drink ALCOHOL because I'm so protective of my brain cells.

'Booze therapy' for brain injury
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8262393.stm

Moderate Drinking Can Reduce Risks Of Alzheimer's Dementia And Cognitive Decline,
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081229200750.htm

Beer loves me and I love beer.

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Friday, December 18, 2009 6:23 AM

BYTEMITE

Dementia is already in my family on my mother's side. Judging by my grandmother, it seems to make the problem worse.

Although I also suspect that's the side of the family the autism comes from, which means the two are probably genetically caused and related, at least in my case.

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Friday, December 18, 2009 9:02 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

..and of course, we all remember Erin Brokovich, yes?

Also, I heard about the problems with providing decent water to our soldiers in Afghanistan, and when I did it really sent me over the edge!

The change in even TREATED water over there always, always causes raging diahrea (SP) to newcomers...it was called the "Kabul trots", tho' that's a misnomer, because I can't imagine how anyone could WALK with it, much less trot!

When we arrived and got it, it was all I could do to crawl to my mother's room and spend the day in bed with her, then crawl back to my own bed at night! To have POORLY TREATED water to give our soldiers, who have to be suffering more than enough from the heat, the dust, the desert conditions and so much more is just unconscionable...and worse!

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Friday, December 18, 2009 9:14 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Dudes, the flouride in the water thing was a 1950's John Birch Society issue-- it was a COMMIE PLOT to make America stupid, back then. ( Come ta think of it, maybe it's an Obama-Socialist attack now. Or maybe he's in league with the TERRORISTS....)
Meanwhile form the early 60's- Tom Lehrer on air and water pollution:

Enjoy.

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Friday, December 18, 2009 9:38 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Gawd I loved Tom Lehrer...he did some amazing stuff! That was great, and just think: THAT was back in the sixties!

Now you've got me going...for more of his wonderful stuff, check "Talk Story"

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 3:17 AM

FREMDFIRMA

I saw this one and just hadda throw in it - as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Miami visitor dies after hotel filters chlorine from water
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/256/story/80581.html

""What's ironic is the hotel installed a special filtration system to enhance the quality of their drinking water,'' said Dr. Vincent Conte, the county's top epidemiologist."

Oops.

-F

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:17 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

I had a sergeant in Vietnam who drank nothing but beer, claiming that the water was dangerous. The last time I saw him I was loading his stretcher onto a medivac after he had a grand mal seizure. Maybe two six-packs a day was more than he needed for hydration.

Then again, up until the last couple of hundred years, it actually was safer to drink beer than to drink water.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 2:12 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Actually, Geeze, some of the mercs I knew (before those bastards at Executive Outcomes wrecked everything) insisted on canned coca cola when in any place where the water supply was dubious, especially some parts of india cause local water was used in the bottling process and they didn't trust it.

Me now, well, being descended from moonshiners, can build a still outta damn near anything, and distilled water is about as safe as it gets, not to mention I have a portable unit no larger than a coffeepot which does a right handy job in a pinch.
(make note, some contaminants have a lower boiling point than water and thus you *must* use silver/charcoal filtration at the dispensing end)

All else fails however, canned american soda is pretty reliable, although expensive.

-F

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