I just think this is cool. It's long, but heartening, and to me worth the read/watch:[quote]Maybe it was the sound of the wind cutting through the wire...."/>
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War dogs then and now
Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:17 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Maybe it was the sound of the wind cutting through the wire. Perhaps he caught a small vibration with his keen eyes. Or it could have been a slight difference in the air's smell. Whatever it was, when Sarge noticed that his Marine Corps handler, Fred Dorr, was creeping down the wrong path in the Vietnam jungle, the German shepherd did something he'd never done out in the field: He looked at Dorr and barked, before taking a seat. "When he sat down, I knew there was a trip wire. I was one step away from it," remembered Dorr, who with his dog in 1969 was "walking point," leading the way for a dozen soldiers. Had the hidden explosive device been tripped, "It would have gotten half of us." More than 40 years later, the gratitude and love Dorr, 59, feels for the dog he served with is as strong as ever. And it's for this reason that Dorr, president of the Vietnam Dog Handler Association, drove from his Yoakum, Texas, home to be in Southern California this week. About 200 Vietnam War dog handlers, who were trained to read and communicate with their canine partners, have gathered for a reunion. And on Saturday they'll join an expected several thousand others for the 10th anniversary rededication of the War Dog Memorial at the March Air Reserve Base in Riverside. During the Vietnam War, more than 4,000 dogs served in various positions, said Michael Lemish, a military dog historian and author of "Forever Forward: K-9 Operations in Vietnam." The scout dogs, such as Sarge, walked with their handlers ahead of patrols -- making them the first target for ambushes or hidden explosives. There were also sentry dogs who guarded bases, tracker dogs who followed the trail of enemies and mine and booby trap dogs who sniffed out dangers hidden beneath the ground. The Viet Cong placed a bounty on the dogs because they were so effective, Lemish said. All told, he estimated the K-9 teams averted more than 10,000 casualties. But at the end of the war, only about 200 dogs came home. The rest who had survived were either euthanized or turned over to the South Vietnamese -- left behind, a surplus of war. "They were treated as obsolete equipment. And if you were a handler, you couldn't see them that way," said Jack Kowall, 61, who keeps a framed picture of himself and Eric, the black lab and shepherd mix he worked with, atop his desk in Marietta, Georgia. "When that's your dog, that's your dog. He sees you in danger, he's going to respond. Unconditional love -- it's all for you. You can't help but love him." On patrols, Kowall used hand motions to speak to Eric. In turn, the animal spoke back through his movements. His ears would shoot up and turn in the direction of suspicious noise. The hair on his back would stand up if danger was close. If he wanted Kowall to stop moving, he'd look back at him. Off-duty, Eric was playful. He liked to have his neck scratched and would roll around on the ground. The 110-pound dog would cuddle up to Kowall at night when they were out in the field, and he'd eat out of his handler's helmet. Whenever Kowall could, he'd give his closest friend steak. The men who'd walk behind the pair on missions were always different. But a scout handler and his dog were a constant, as the duo bounced between different assignments. When Jeffrey Bennett, founder and former CEO of Nature's Recipe pet foods, first learned about the dogs who'd served and the fate of so many of them, he set out to teach others. Based on about three years of research, he co-produced the documentary "War Dogs: America's Forgotten Heroes," which first aired 11 years ago on the Discovery Channel. Donations earned through this film allowed Bennett, now president of the War Dog Memorial, to commission three monuments, sculptures featuring a German shepherd and his handler. The first one was unveiled at the March Field Air Museum in Riverside. A second was installed at Fort Benning, Georgia. The third remains in storage, Bennett said. The original goal to place it in Washington beside the Vietnam Veterans Memorial or at Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia remains an elusive dream. Dogs have long served with the U.S. military, said Lemish, who also wrote "War Dogs: A History of Loyalty and Heroism." During World War I, the dogs borrowed from the French and British worked as messengers and assisted the Red Cross by finding the wounded on battlefields, he said. The American K-9 corps, Lemish said, really began during World War II, when, among other tasks, thousands of dogs donated by civilians patrolled shorelines. Back then, dogs sent abroad were retrained and returned to civilian life, but that practice had changed by the time U.S. forces entered Vietnam, Lemish said. Later, galvanized by the attention earned through the documentary, Vietnam War dog handlers began to call for change. Johnny Mayo, 60, hadn't spoken to another dog handler in 30 years when he showed up in Washington for his first reunion in 2000. But as he talked to the 250 others in attendance, he realized the power of what they shared. "You go through the war, and you always remember the bond you have, the bond with the dog," said Mayo, whose dog Kelly once yanked him up a bank from a rice paddy, out of the way of mortar fire. "On that first trip to the [Vietnam Veterans Memorial] wall, it was a reunion with the spirits of our dogs." Later, Mayo, of Lexington, South Carolina, would go on to write his own book and establish a traveling exhibit to pay tribute to the dogs who'd served. Washington also took notice. In November 2000, President Clinton signed into law legislation that established a military working dog adoption program. Now the dogs working in Iraq and Afghanistan will have a chance to find comfortable homes when they return from war. For Dorr, of the Vietnam Dog Handler Association, this has been a blessing. He said leaving his partner Sarge behind, all those decades ago, haunted him. "A lot of us [handlers] suffered PTSD," he said, referring to post-traumatic stress disorder. "It's like leaving your kid back there." But he now has Bluma, the war dog he adopted from Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas. The German shepherd, who has hip problems, looks uncannily like Sarge, he said, and having him around is a source of comfort. "I'm taking care of an old vet," Dorr said, "and he's taking care of me."
Quote:For the U.S. Marines patrolling the dusty footpaths of southern Afghanistan, a bomb-sniffing black Labrador can mean the difference between life and death. These "dogs of war" have saved countless lives and their record for finding hidden explosives has won them a loyal following. "They are 98 percent accurate. We trust these dogs more than metal detectors and mine sweepers," says handler Corporal Andrew Guzman. Trained to detect five kinds of threat, from military grade C-4 plastic explosive to common chemicals used by the Taliban to make improvised explosive devices (IEDs), the dogs play a vital role alongside their human comrades. Bomb expert Sergeant Crush is all concentration as he leads a foot patrol by two squads of US Marines deployed to Afghanistan as part of Washington's fresh surge to end an eight-year insurgency by the Taliban. His job along with Corporal Goodwin is to lead the men to safety through dusty footpaths and compounds where Taliban militants plant deadly bombs that have left many troops dead in recent months. They are from a group of four Labradors, who are on average four years old and have all seen action in Iraq and Afghanistan. "These dogs are great. They keep our Marines alive," says First Lieutenant Aaron MacLean, 2nd Platoon commander of the Marines 1st Battalion, 6th Regiment Charlie Company, to which the dog team is attached. Crush suddenly goes on a swift bound, sniffing out a corner of a compound in the outskirts of a Taliban stronghold in Helmand province. There is a quick change in his demeanour, his muscles tense up, he freezes, sticks out his tail and then lies down with his paws extended up front. The area turned out to have been a former storage place for ammonium nitrate, a fertiliser compound recently banned by the government that the Taliban commonly use in making powerful homemade bombs. "It's better safe than sorry," Guzman says. Just days earlier two squads of Marines were ambushed and trapped in a compound. Two Marines died after stepping on the pressure plates of IEDs, just minutes before the dogs were to have cleared the area. The force of the explosion threw the handlers and the dogs to the ground, but they quickly got up and resumed their jobs. The dogs also provide an emotional crutch for young Marines facing death every day. They crowd around the dogs and play with them inside the camp. There are frequent questions about adopting them after the Labradors end their tour. Lance Corporal George Grimm, the handler of Corporal Brooks, says most Marines feel safer with his bomb team leading the way. Brooks, a three year-old Labrador with tan fur, has been deployed three times in Iraq and Afghanistan and has helped with the recovery of approximately 14 bombs and saved many lives. One sniffer named Ringo gained a legendary reputation for having found as many as 30 daisy-chain landmines in Iraq, he says. "Our life is in this boy's hands pretty much," says Grimm, a 19-year-old who has been Brooks' handler since late last year. Grimm grabs a rubber toy called a "konk" and lets Brooks nibble on it. "They don't ask for much except to be taken cared of," he says. Handlers say the US government spends huge amounts of money to train the dogs in a civilian-led program contracted out by the defence department. They begin training when they are puppies, and by the time they reach two and half years old, are ready to be deployed. The bomb squad in Afghanistan prefer using pure-bred Labradors over sentry dogs such as German Shepherds because they are easier to train. Labradors are also hunting dogs who can pick up a scent as far as 500 meters (yards) away. With the Taliban increasingly relying on IEDs to cripple the US advance, officials say up to 70 dogs are now on operation in southern Afghanistan alone, where the insurgency is festering. More are expected to be deployed in the coming months, officials say.
Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:57 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Saturday, February 13, 2010 10:06 AM
Saturday, February 13, 2010 10:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Labs and goldens I can't handle...to enthusiastic, usually a bit dumb (sorry, but true), and deadly tails!!
Saturday, February 13, 2010 10:19 AM
Saturday, February 13, 2010 10:35 AM
GINOBIFFARONI
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Yes, apparently they're using labs more than shephards these days, for some of the reasons you mentioned. Me, I adore shephards; my family's very first dog was a shephard mom insisted dad buy for protection when he was out of town in Afghanistan. She regretted it initially; they're raised there...actually "alsatians"...and the breeder just let them run loose. They'd never seen a woman, and Tammy would run around the compound keeping as much distance from mom and I as possible, but adored dad. One time dad went away and mom slept in his bed; middle of the night she feels a tongue licking her hand. That was it, from that day forward, Tammy loved us. She had papers a mile long, champions and grand champions: Stampba Von Sydenburg. But she adored us (once jumped out of the car and tracked us UP THE ESCALATOR in Macy's!). I now adore huskies, but shephards will always have a special place in my heart. Labs and goldens I can't handle...to enthusiastic, usually a bit dumb (sorry, but true), and deadly tails!! I do, however, believe both breeds were created without the "sad" gene, they're always so effusive and happy. Should think it would take a LOT of work to turn them bad! And I agree about pits 100%. We have a lot of them around here, mostly rescues, and they are the biggest babies, absolutely adorable. I just thought this thread would be a nice thing to read/see on a Saturday morning. And aspect of war we seldom think about. Hope others enjoy it, thanx Frem.
Saturday, February 13, 2010 12:01 PM
OLDENGLANDDRY
Saturday, February 13, 2010 12:33 PM
KIRKULES
Saturday, February 13, 2010 1:21 PM
Saturday, February 13, 2010 2:35 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Saturday, February 13, 2010 4:27 PM
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Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:11 PM
Quote:Looks like a nice Dobie... like his colors. Poor Dog.
Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Looks like a nice Dobie... like his colors. Poor Dog. I liked his ears. It seems the common British practice is to NOT dock the ears, but leave them natural. My Dobie's ears weren't clipped. Her tail was chopped when we found her, but not the ears. I liked 'em better that way, but I guess I can see why they dock the ears, if they want to make the dog look meaner. I'm okay with my dog looking like a sweetheart, as long as she's able to act as a protector if I'm trifled with. :) Mike Work is the curse of the Drinking Class. - Oscar Wilde
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