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Originally posted by Niki2:

The entirety of what you wrote is so filled with visceral hate that it’s impossible to debate rationally with your remarks beyond what I have tried to do. It reads like a comment on some article about health care by a rabidly hate-filled anti-Obama rant which ignores the realities and wants to blame the Dems for everything, however illogical the argument.

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We can read from the last 25 messages function of our own action pages, just as you can. It breaks our heart to read people talking about how they worked so hard for Obama and now feel so betrayed. It breaks our heart to read independents write that they were willing to give the Democrats a chance, but will never vote for a Democrat again. It breaks our heart to read people declaring that they will never even turn out to vote again, for anyone. Because this is all nothing but surrender talk. But we fight on undeterred, even with our broken heart.

Put The Public Option Up For A Vote:
http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1038.php

And we tell you now, that if this health care bill is rammed through without at least a semblance of a public option in it, the one we were promised at a MINIMUM, there will be massive hemorrhaging at the polls come November. The American people are out there right now asking themselves, "Was Massachusetts not enough ... how big a 2x4 will we have to hit these mules in the head with before they finally get it?" The Republicans will not need to talk about any other issue to campaign on. They will get a total pass on a secret agenda thatis, if anything, in every respect more hostile to the real public policy interests of the people whose anger they will arouse. And if the Democrats DON'T lose their majorities in a single election, guess what? Same rallying war cry for 2012, "Got to vote out more Democrats so we can repeal the hated bill, including getting a getting a president who will sign the repeal bill." Try to tell us you don't hear it happening already. Even if the Democrats don't lose their majorities in 2010, they will be so reduced that they will not be able to accomplish anything in the next two years, not that they have been able to accomplish anything with the majorities they had, meaning nothing to run on in 2012 either. Of course the latest promise never meant to be honored is that the Democrats will fight for a public option LATER. But if they can't muster the votes to do it now, with the majorities they have now, only the most terminally gullible would believe they could do it with fewer votes in the future, even if they actually wanted to, which they do NOT! And if there is a historic landslide in November and both houses of Congress go Republican, guess what the first bill from the new Congress will be ... repeal the health care bill. And guess what happens if Obama tries to veto it, or the Democrats try to filibuster (after passing it on 51 votes in the first place)? In short, Obama
becomes an instant lame duck, the people will be hell bent on getting rid of him too, and the entire Democratic party is just a dead man walking. Either way, pushing this bill now avails nothing, since it WILL be repealed before it ever goes into meaningful effect.

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