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Monday, April 19, 2010 3:10 PM

AURAPTOR

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Monday, April 19, 2010 3:58 PM

CATPIRATE


Yeh I went to the first one they had in Tucson. I thought there was just a few plants from the left. A mexican woman carring a sign with a border line slur. I didn't think it was needed but hey free speach.

I was gone for awhile could not log in after one post so Now PirateCat is CatPirate.

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 6:55 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


What's amusing to me, is that in trying to prove there are African-Americans in the Tea Party, all you have to do is look at the people BEHIND those being interviewed, to see not another Black face in the crowd.

Proved a lot, yes siree...

If you look hard enough, you can find anything you want to prove any point you want. But I think it would have been more effective if they'd pulled those people aside so all the white faces behind them weren't so obvious...

How do we know Simon Legree was a democrat?

By the way, I never heard all the things that guy claimed were being said...I wonder how come? I found the talking points fascinating, “loss of freedom”?? I'd like to see where they get that idea...I think they may be good people with good reasons for what they're doing. Some of what they said was quite articulate, and some reasonable, but it doesn't make a case.

To say the Dems have done nothing for African-Americans, for example, is just something someone has told her; if she looked at the facts throughout the time since the Civil Rights movement, she'd see otherwise.

Nice try, but I'm afraid it means little to me.



"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:28 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


They interviewed SIX black people, out of a crowd that the Tea Partiers themselves claim numbered "at least 25,000". That works out to a black attendance of less than 0.00025% That's not quite one-in-a-million, but it ain't far from it.

Maybe Rappy's chapter of the Klan should let in the one black guy just so they can claim they ain't racist, too!




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:02 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


It was interesting to see black Tea Party "patriots" and what they had to say.

The assertive woman said that there were all races and all political parties and persuasions there.

-Republicans leading in the Civil Rights movement, really!? That is news to me.

-"We don't hate democrats" but in the same sentence she insults democrats by saying they walk off cliffs

-That republicans had no say in recent times and now it's their turn. Thats news to me; didn't they "vote" in a republican president for 2 terms. How much more say than that is needed?

-Then there's the young guy with the glasses that says Tea Party people are educated and know the constitution and that they believe in freedom. If this were true they would have railed against Bush's policy making regarding the Patriot Act which in effect ripped the constitution to shreads. Our civil liberties were in serious danger of being completely erased. Where were the Tea Party goers then?

-The gentleman who spoke about Uncle Tom spoke about how he was a hero, then says that the democrats are the enslavers of the blacks in America. What a strange thing to say. He was right about Uncle Tom being written as a heroic figure in the days before the Civil War. The book was written as a type of protest against slavery, but since then his name has become synonymous with cowtowing to whites and the slave mentality.

-He goes on to say that the president is promoting or pushing socialism on the American people and taking away freedoms. Thats why he should be feared. What specific freedoms are being eliminated? He, nor anyone in the Tea Party, never talks about that.
This country was founded on democratic values with socialist principles generously sprinkled into the fabric of our society. Of the people, by and for the people; the social security system (which is ultimately all-american at present); all men are created equal and such.

Socialism is a philosophy that encompasses various theories of economic organization which advocate either public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources

This talk of the democrats presently in office are nothing but a bunch of socialists is more propaganda set in motion by the republicans (actually the neo-cons) who want to drive a wedge in between real americans in this country.
It is all hogwash.
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I scrolled along the bottom of the youtube video and found another interesting tape of Tea Partiers interviewing Janeane Garofalo. She asked a very important question of the Tea Party people. The claim is that the Tea Party is concerned over losing basic freedoms, then where were they for the last 8 years? A valid question.
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The Tea Party has every right to protest, march, picket and voice their concerns. That is a basic right that this country was founded on. But don't pee on me and tell me it's raining. Momma didn't raise no fool.

The Constitution is alive and well, thank God for small miracles.


SGG

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:17 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Niki2:What's amusing to me, is that in trying to prove there are African-Americans in the Tea Party, all you have to do is look at the people BEHIND those being interviewed, to see not another Black face in the crowd.

Proved a lot, yes siree...

So, in order to reinforce your own ill formed ideas of the Tea Party, you must .... ignore the very people who are being interviewed? That's a lot like saying - " Sure, if you take away all the point the other team scored - THEY GOT NOTHING! "

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If you look hard enough, you can find anything you want to prove any point you want. But I think it would have been more effective if they'd pulled those people aside so all the white faces behind them weren't so obvious...

You mean, they should have staged it better ? Instead of simply giving you the real story, as it is ? Really?


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How do we know Simon Legree was a democrat?

By the way, I never heard all the things that guy claimed were being said...I wonder how come? I found the talking points fascinating, “loss of freedom”?? I'd like to see where they get that idea...I think they may be good people with good reasons for what they're doing. Some of what they said was quite articulate, and some reasonable, but it doesn't make a case.

To say the Dems have done nothing for African-Americans, for example, is just something someone has told her; if she looked at the facts throughout the time since the Civil Rights movement, she'd see otherwise.

Nice try, but I'm afraid it means little to me.




I'd LOVE for you to tell that very articulate and well spoken black woman exactly what the Dems have done for her and black people. I very much doubt there's anything YOU could tell her about the civil rights movement. That's just precious!




Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor




Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:19 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
They interviewed SIX black people, out of a crowd that the Tea Partiers themselves claim numbered "at least 25,000". That works out to a black attendance of less than 0.00025% That's not quite one-in-a-million, but it ain't far from it.

Maybe Rappy's chapter of the Klan should let in the one black guy just so they can claim they ain't racist, too!




Actually, we have two. They work in the kitchen.






Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor




Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:23 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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I'd LOVE for you to tell that very articulate and well spoken black woman exactly what the Dems have done for her and black people. I very much doubt there's anything YOU could tell her about the civil rights movement. That's just precious!



So what, exactly, could the Republicans tell her about the Civil Rights movement? She certainly seems to be desperately in need of some facts in that area!




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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:25 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
They interviewed SIX black people, out of a crowd that the Tea Partiers themselves claim numbered "at least 25,000". That works out to a black attendance of less than 0.00025% That's not quite one-in-a-million, but it ain't far from it.

Maybe Rappy's chapter of the Klan should let in the one black guy just so they can claim they ain't racist, too!




Actually, we have two. They work in the kitchen.




Right. Which is why you claim you're not a racist! Heck, how can you be a racist if you have black folk cleaning up after your Klan chapter?






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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


First off: I didn't ignore anyone, I said they seemed reasonable, and saying they're being used by those with an agenda by being midled isn't ignoring...it's feeling sorry for.

As to the second; yup, given the entire thrust of the interviews, from what I see, was to show that there are plenty of Black people in the Tea Party movement, if that's what they were trying to show, they shouldn't have shot themselves in the foot by showing them among a CROWD of nothing but lilly whites.
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what the Dems have done for her and black people
Oh, gawd, that's a riot. Bearing in mind that during the civil rights battle, there were liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats, unlike now.

Many Southern Democrats in the 1960s were very, very conservative. Take Strom Thurmond as an example. Yes, there were many Democrats who fought against the Civil Rights agenda. But they were not liberals, they were conservatives. Today, most of them have switched party affiliation and are Republicans.

The Civil Rights movement was supported by liberals and opposed by conservatives, regardless of party affiliation. If you listen to the right-wing pundits, they make everything into a liberal versus conservative issue except when it comes to civil rights in the 60s.

When it comes to that, they make it into a Republican versus Democrat issue because they know it was liberal Democrats, liberal notheastern Republicans (not like today's southern conservaive kind), and liberal organizations that marched for civil rights.

Conservatives, BY DEFINITION, supported the status quo as they still do. But the "Democratic Party" began the struggle back in 1948.

1948:
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At their 1948 convention, a group of Democrats first adopted a civil rights plank in their party's platform. They were led by a young politician named Hubert Humphrey. " The time has arrived in America for the Democratic Party to get out of the shadows of states' rights and to walk right forthrightly into the bright sunshine of human rights."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94011842&ft=1&f=1
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1957: Despite the South still being vastly conservative, of which there were in both parties, "Owing to the efforts of House Speaker Sam Rayburn and Senator Lyndon B. Johnson, the Civil Rights Bill passed"

1964: Still the South was made up of conservatives, but conservative Democrats as well as conservative Republicans. Nonetheless; when the bill was referred to the House Judiciary Committee (chaired by Emmanuel Celler, a democrat from New York), they
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greatly strengthened the act, adding provisions to ban racial discrimination in employment, providing greater protection to black voters, eliminating segregation in all publicly owned facilities (not just schools), and strengthening the anti-segregation clauses regarding public facilities such as lunch counters. They also added authorization for the Attorney General to file lawsuits to protect individuals against the deprivation of any rights secured by the Constitution or U.S. law. In essence, this was the controversial "Title III" that had been removed from the 1957 and 1960 Acts. Civil rights organizations pressed hard for this provision because it could be used to protect peaceful protesters and black voters from police brutality and suppression of free speech rights.

Lyndon Johnson utilized his experience in legislative politics and the bully pulpit he wielded as president in support of the bill. The bill was signed into law by President Johnson on July 2, 1964. Southern Democrats fought the bill, but that's not surprising, given the state of the South at that time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

Voting Rights Act of 1965 (making literacy tests illegal): The Act was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson. The Act is widely considered a landmark in civil-rights legislation.

2006: During the debate over the 2006 extension of the Voting Rights Act, some Republican members of Congress objected to renewing the preclearance requirement (the Act's primary enforcement provision), arguing that it represents an overreach of federal power and places unwarranted bureaucratic demands on Southern states.

2007: Increase in the minimum wage:
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Obstructionist Republicans wouldn't allow it to come to a vote under the last Congress, but the Democrats made sure they made it a priority when they took office earlier this year.

Now, finally, after a decade, the minimum wage will increase 70 cents. It's the longest amount of time it's gone without a boost since the minimum wage was introduced.

https://www.democrats.org/a/national/economic_growth/minimum_wage/

We marched alongside them for civil rights and voting rights. How many conservatives did, can you find out? The Democrats lost their party members in the South by passing civil rights legislation; but their opposition was from CONSERVATIVE Democrats, and most of them switched parties after that.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:59 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Mike, I think he was joking about two in the kitchen.

Of course, I could be wrong...


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:26 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Don't forget, Niki, that the great shining beacon of the right, Ronald Wilson Reagan, kicked off his presidential campaign with a speech he gave in Philadelphia, Mississippi, a tiny town not known for anything EXCEPT the fact that three Civil Rights workers were murdered there, and the murderers were hidden and the investigation hindered by the local law enforcement. Reagan, in his speech, never mentioned those workers or their cause, instead focusing on states' rights.

He campaigned against the Civil Rights Act, he campaigned against the Voting Rights Act, he tried to appoint a Supreme Court justice, Robert Bork, who had defended Jim Crow laws and literacy tests. Reagan also railed against embargoes and sanctions against South Africa when it was still in the throes of apartheid.

This is the legacy of the conservative movement where Civil Rights are concerned, and it's not pretty. It's no wonder all the former Republicans are running as fast and as far away from Reagan and the Bushes as they can, and calling themselves the Tea Party now, because they have a horrible, horrific track record if anyone starts looking at their past.




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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:27 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Niki2:


Mike, I think he was joking about two in the kitchen.

Of course, I could be wrong...




Oh, I think he MEANT it as a joke, but it reveals his true feelings towards black people. He considers them good enough to work in the kitchen or the fields, and not good enough for much else.




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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'd LOVE for you to tell that very articulate and well spoken black woman exactly what the Dems have done for her and black people. I very much doubt there's anything YOU could tell her about the civil rights movement. That's just precious!




What's "precious", dear, is your belief that conservatives have anything to teach anyone regarding the Civil Rights movement.

Excerpted from Jack Clark's "Blast the Right" podcast:

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The "Southern Strategy" and Reagan's Rampant Racism


In the 1960's, as the civil rights struggle heated up, the Republican party developed what came to be known as the "Southern Strategy."

The Southern Strategy was designed to get the support of Southern whites who were upset that Democrats had led the effort to protect the civil and voting rights of African Americans.

Race would be used as a wedge issue, and racial polarization would produce white votes for the Republicans.

Richard Nixon was the first to employ the southern strategy in a presidential campaign.

The existence of the Southern strategy is something you should never let a right-winger deny. You can quote some prominent right-wingers themselves.

The late Lee Atwater was the grandpappy of all the Republican dirty campaign, dirty tricks, vicious-politics-of-personal-destruction campaign strategists. Karl Rove was a disciple of Lee Atwater.

As a member of the Reagan administration in 1981, Atwater gave an anonymous interview to political scientist Alexander P. Lamis. Part of this interview was printed in Lamis' bookThe Two-Party South, then reprinted in Southern Politics in the 1990s with Atwater's name revealed. Atwater talked about the GOP's Southern Strategy and Ronald Reagan's version of it:

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Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South.

You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like 'forced busing', 'states' rights' and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."




This brings us to Ronald Reagan's racism. How many times have you been speaking to a right-winger, and they will bring up how wonderful Ronald Reagan was? He did this and he accomplished that. He had these principles and those principles. Why, you would think that the right-winger has an altar to Ronald Reagan set up in his or her own house.

Sean Hannity proudly declares on virtually every show, that he's a Reagan conservative.

Let's address the questions: Was Reagan a racist? Did he follow the Southern Strategy?

Most definitely and most definitely again.

Here are Reagan's Five Pillars of Racism, showing him beyond doubt to be a racist:

Number one:

Right wing icon Ronald Reagan opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Huh? Who except the Ku Klux Klan or its fellow travelers would oppose such a measure? What kind of a human being would say it's okay for a restaurant to refuse to serve someone because of their race? To deny a person the right to check into a hotel, because they were African-American? To refuse to hire someone, because they are of a race different than your own?

Ronald Reagan, apparently.

Remember, I don't know what was in Reagan's heart. But I can and will tell you what actions he took, and what the effects were. And if Ronald Reagan's opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Act had become the majority position in Congress, well then, restaurants, hotels and employers would have been able to continue their discriminatory policies.

Maybe, a right-winger will argue, there was something in the wording of that particular piece of legislation, the 1964 Civil Rights Act, that Reagan didn't like. He really wasn't opposed to civil rights for all.

Sorry, not so.

Because the very next year, Reagan opposed the other major piece of civil rights legislation of that era, the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

It prohibited the use of literacy tests, poll taxes and the like to deny an American citizen the right to vote because of their race. This had been standard practice throughout the South.

Again, I ask you, what kind of a person would oppose such a law? What kind of a person would want African-Americans to continue to be disenfranchised?

Apparently again, Ronald Reagan. There's his second pillar of racism.

You know, I can already hear right-wingers offering another lame excuse: maybe Reagan was wrong back then, but by the time he became president, he had stopped advocating racist positions.

Again, you can easily prove the right-winger, wrong.

Your third pillar of Ronald Reagan's racism skips forward in time to 1980, when he began his presidential campaign.

Reagan chose to give a campaign speech -- some say it was the kickoff speech to his campaign -- outside of the town of Philadelphia, Mississippi.

At that time the ONLY thing Philadelphia, Mississippi was known for, was the brutal murder outside that town in 1964 of three civil rights workers, James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. They had gone there to help African-Americans register to vote.

Did Reagan express sorrow for their deaths when he spoke outside of Philadelphia, Mississippi? After all, the FBI's investigation was still open. The case had drawn international attention. What better way for Reagan to erase the stain on himself for having opposed both the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act?

No, Reagan was not there to mend his ways, to ask for forgiveness, to do the right thing. He was there to further the GOP's Southern Strategy.

He didn't mention the murders of Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner at all. That alone speaks volumes. And it gets worse.

Reagan also didn't apologize for his opposition to the Civil and Voting Rights Acts. But that's still not the worst of it.

Worst of all, Reagan told the nearly all-white crowd, that "I believe in states' rights." Remember what GOP strategy guru Lee Atwater said about that term?

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By 1968, you can’t say ‘nigger.’ That hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like…states’ rights…


Reagan was giving a "Dixie Dog Whistle" to all the racists in the South. At the very place where civil rights workers were murdered. And where that white community was still protecting the murderers.

Reagan's horrifically racist behavior did not go unnoticed at the time.

Andrew Young had been a stalwart of the civil rights movement, a colleague and friend of Dr. Martin Luther King. He would later become a Congressman, Mayor of Atlanta, and Ambassador to the United Nations.

At the time, he was a campaign aide to Reagan's opponent, President Jimmy Carter.

Let me read you Andrew Young's impassioned words from 1980:

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[W]hen you go to Philadelphia, Mississippi, where James Chaney, Andy Goodman, and Michael Schwerner were killed — murdered — by the sheriff and the deputy sheriff and a government posse protecting states' rights, and you go down there and start talking about states' rights, that looks like a code word to me that it’s going to be all right to kill niggers when he’s President.


Hey, Mr. or Ms. Right-Winger, are you still so proud of your hero, Ronald Reagan?

So much for Reagan changing his ways.

And there's more. Reagan kept it up.

Here's the fourth pillar of Ronald Reagan's racism:

In the early 1980's, the campaign to make Martin Luther King's birthday a national holiday was coming to a head. You can imagine, I'm sure, what type of person was supporting such an effort, and what type of person was in opposition. And yes, there he was, the Gipper, in all his Southern Strategy glory, opposing making Martin Luther King's birthday a national holiday.

Once a racist, always a racist, at least with some, it seems.

Ok, for the fifth pillar of Ronald Reagan's racism, we go international. In the 1980's, the entire world community was uniting in opposition to the South African government's racist apartheid policy. An international boycott of South Africa was launched to pressure the South African government to allow its black citizens to vote, and otherwise to dismantle apartheid.

Guess who was not on board? Yup, Ronald Reagan opposed the international boycott of South Africa. Instead, Reagan insisted that quiet diplomacy would work. He called his policy "constructive engagement." Bull. You know what it was.

Archbishop Desmond Tutu was one of the main leaders of the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa. After he won the Nobel Peace Prize, Archbishop Tutu addressed the U.S. Congress and had some choice words for Ronald Reagan. According to a contemporaneous news account, Tutu said apartheid

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...is evil, is immoral, is un-Christian...
In my view, the Reagan Administration's support and collaboration with it is equally immoral, evil and totally un-Christian.
You are either for or against apartheid, and not by rhetoric. You are either in favor of evil, or you are in favor of good. You are either on the side of the oppressed or on the side of the oppressor. You can't be neutral.



Bishop Tutu then concluded with this broadside, telling the lawmakers that Reagan's policy of "constructive engagement"

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... has encouraged the white racist regime into escalated intransigence and oppression.


Immoral, evil and totally un-Christian. Ronald Reagan's policies.

Encouraged the white racist regime into escalated intransigence and oppression. Ronald Reagan's policies.

And it's all of a piece, isn't it, with Reagan's opposition to the Civil Rights Act, his opposition to the Voting Rights Act, Reagan's lauding of "states' rights" where civil rights workers were murdered, and his opposition to honoring another Nobel Prize-winning man of African descent, Dr. Martin Luther King.

Any one of these alone and I would say, this person is a racist. There's no other explanation besides prejudice combined with the intent and power to injure -- denying rights or recognition, or stirring up others to be prejudiced and to take action to injure.

But all five taken together?

My goodness, could it be any more plain?






Mike

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:03 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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I'd LOVE for you to tell that very articulate and well spoken black woman exactly what the Dems have done for her and black people. I very much doubt there's anything YOU could tell her about the civil rights movement. That's just precious!



So what, exactly, could the Republicans tell her about the Civil Rights movement? She certainly seems to be desperately in need of some facts in that area!



Clearly, you didn't watch the video, hear what she said, or know what the HELL you're even talking about.






Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:52 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So the moral of the story here is...?


If six black people show up in a crowd of 25,000 white people, a Tea Party protest breaks out?

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:45 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So the moral of the story here is...?


If six black people show up in a crowd of 25,000 white people, a Tea Party protest breaks out?



" they had eyes, yet could not see. "

Or in your case, saw all too well, but chose to ignore.







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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:48 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I notice you've added the Gadsden Flag to your signature. Thanks for proving Frem's point that damn near every single time you scrape off that sticker, you'll find the "W" sticker underneath it.

Trying so very hard to cover up the evidence that you refused to see and chose to ignore, eh? ;)

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 6:02 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Never had a W sticker on my car or truck. Sorry.
You want to disparage an honored revolutionary symbol for the founding of this nation? By all means.... I suits your M.O.






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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 6:16 AM

NIKI2

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Thanx, Mike. No, I didn't know about that stuff. Not surprising, tho'. I thoroughly enjoy listening to the right hold up Ronny Ray-guns as the epitome of all that is good and great. Especially Sarahcuda exclaiming about Obama's efforts to get rid of nukes, "If Reagan were here..." Made me giggle.

I see the snark fest is continuing. Poor Crappy can't grasp that the woman doesn't understand what she's complaining about and thinks we need education about the Civil Rights movement. I wonder where HE was back then, or even if he was alive. If he wasn't, good thing; that's one less racist we had to battle.

By the way, "Don't tread on me" hasn't been an "honored symbol of the Revolution" for over a hundred years; everyone knows what it means now, so hiding behind it only says something about HIM, nothing else.

Other than that, snark away, guys, I know you enjoy it!


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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 6:36 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Never had a W sticker on my car or truck. Sorry.
You want to disparage an honored revolutionary symbol for the founding of this nation? By all means.... I suits your M.O.



I'm not disparaging the flag - I'm disparaging the boot-licking jingoistic scum like you who wrap yourselves up in it. If you're going to continue to wrap yourself in the flag - Gadsden's this year, Old Glory last year - at least have the decency to light it on fire next time.



Mike

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:07 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Never had a W sticker on my car or truck. Sorry.
You want to disparage an honored revolutionary symbol for the founding of this nation? By all means.... I suits your M.O.



I'm not disparaging the flag - I'm disparaging the boot-licking jingoistic scum like you who wrap yourselves up in it. If you're going to continue to wrap yourself in the flag - Gadsden's this year, Old Glory last year - at least have the decency to light it on fire next time.



" Boot-licking jingoistic scum?"



This from the ACORN / SEIU thug supporting, " yes we can " screaming, U.S. Flag burning morons who follow your leaders with such blind zeal and obedience, you'd make Stalin blush.

But by all means, stand up against freedom, all you want. It, again, suits you!

p.s. - There's a REASON why we wave and raise up the flags we do. It's to proclaim our profound respect in what they stand for, and to express to all what it is that we truly believe. REAL Americans, who care about freedom, and aren't mindlessly yapping out some trumped up, astroturffed campaign slogan. But TRUE ideals, which were the basis of this great nation.








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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:30 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
....morons who follow your leaders with such blind zeal and obedience, you'd make Stalin blush.



Gee, like you and everything Dubya ever said or did?


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But by all means, stand up against freedom, all you want. It, again, suits you!


Sorry, you cornered the market on that years ago.



"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:47 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
....morons who follow your leaders with such blind zeal and obedience, you'd make Stalin blush.



Gee, like you and everything Dubya ever said or did?



Did I stand up for the Farm bail outs ? Nope. Did I stand up for the 'comprehensive' immigration plan W tried to give us ? Nope. The Harriet Miers nomination ? The prescription drug program ? No, not really. Not everything Bush said or did. Not even close.

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But by all means, stand up against freedom, all you want. It, again, suits you!


Sorry, you cornered the market on that years ago.



Really? How so ? Was it when our Gov't mandated that every man,woman and child had to buy medical insurance, or face jail ? Did you like it when the White House tried to strong arm the media, by threatening to block out a news network for the pool reporting, an act so desperate and totalitarian, even the other MSM folks had to speak up, and stand up, and forced Hugo Jr to blink? ( Which is what happened ) Oh wait.....that didn't happen under Bush, did it ?

Wake the hell up.






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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:14 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
....morons who follow your leaders with such blind zeal and obedience, you'd make Stalin blush.



Gee, like you and everything Dubya ever said or did?



Did I stand up for the Farm bail outs ? Nope. Did I stand up for the 'comprehensive' immigration plan W tried to give us ? Nope. The Harriet Miers nomination ? The prescription drug program ? No, not really. Not everything Bush said or did. Not even close.



When did you see me stand up for ACORN? When did I stand up for "SEIU thugs"? Hell, for that matter, what the fuck ARE "SEIU thugs"? I think they're an invention of the right, made up out of thin air as some phony bogeyman to scare people with. When did I burn the flag? (Hint: Never.)


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But by all means, stand up against freedom, all you want. It, again, suits you!


Sorry, you cornered the market on that years ago.



Really? How so ? Was it when our Gov't mandated that every man,woman and child had to buy medical insurance, or face jail ?



Really, WHERE do you get this stuff? Now you're going to "face jail"? Really? I gotta call bullshit on that one. Please prove me wrong - PLEASE post up the explicit language in the bill that mandates jail time for not buying insurance. I'll wait; I've got all the time in the world.

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Did you like it when the White House tried to strong arm the media, by threatening to block out a news network for the pool reporting, an act so desperate and totalitarian, even the other MSM folks had to speak up, and stand up, and forced Hugo Jr to blink? ( Which is what happened ) Oh wait.....that didn't happen under Bush, did it ?

Wake the hell up.



What was it that Bush did, again? Oh yeah - he simply PAID reporters from "friendly" sources to run stories that his White House fed them. And then refused access to anyone not on board with his agenda. (Which is what happened).

Were you in a coma for the last eight years, or did you just have your head up your ass? Never mind, I already know the answer.





Mike

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:19 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

p.s. - There's a REASON why we wave and raise up the flags we do. It's to proclaim our profound respect in what they stand for, and to express to all what it is that we truly believe. REAL Americans, who care about freedom, and aren't mindlessly yapping out some trumped up, astroturffed campaign slogan. But TRUE ideals, which were the basis of this great nation.



Oh, that is PRECIOUS!




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.


Which "TRUE ideals" are you standing up for when you advocate torture? How about when you endorse murdering someone without charging them or trying them first? What about your astroturfed campaign slogans like "Mission Accomplished!" and "Stay the Course!" and "Let's Roll!"?

You claim to respect the flag; would that you'd show that same respect to the Constitution, but I know that'll never happen.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:46 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Hell, for that matter, what the fuck ARE "SEIU thugs"? I think they're an invention of the right, made up out of thin air as some phony bogeyman to scare people with.



Yeah, what you think and what actually happens aren't exactly similar.




Note the purple ( bellies ! ) shirted thugs tried to intimidate and beat down an innocent American citizen, for the 'crime' of selling American flags and buttons.

And here, only union shirted thugs are allowed entry to this " town hall " meeting.









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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:54 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Which "TRUE ideals" are you standing up for when you advocate torture?



That never happened.

Quote:

How about when you endorse murdering someone without charging them or trying them first?
Like how Barry ordered the pirates of the Marsk Alabama to be shot ?

Quote:

What about your astroturfed campaign slogans like "Mission Accomplished!" and "Stay the Course!" and "Let's Roll!"?


Now you're just making shit up, which is really sad. 1 sign on a US carrier, something Bush said a w/ regards to Iraq and what, a heroic phrase Todd Beamer uttered as an act of bravery and defiance during the 9/11 attacks? Those aren't anywhere NEAR the 'astro turffed' crap that the PR machine Obama Inc came up with, specifically during and FOR his campaign. Please. You're embarrassing yourself.






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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:55 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


But where's your proof that they're SIEU at all? They could just as easily be "plants" sent in by the conservatives, right? Hasn't that been your claim when it comes to the idiocy of the tea parties, that it wasn't really them, but "infiltrators"?

Mike

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:59 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


No, they're SEIU thugs alright. You continue to " play " stupid.






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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:00 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Which "TRUE ideals" are you standing up for when you advocate torture?



That never happened.







That's high-larious!

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How about when you endorse murdering someone without charging them or trying them first?
Like how Barry ordered the pirates of the Marsk Alabama to be shot ?



Nice try - you're trying to compare people actually killed IN THE ACT OF PIRACY with people kidnapped, tortured, and in some cases murdered, who it turns out had nothing to do with terrorism whatsoever. You truly are a fucking moron.

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What about your astroturfed campaign slogans like "Mission Accomplished!" and "Stay the Course!" and "Let's Roll!"?


Now you're just making shit up, which is really sad. 1 sign on a US carrier, something Bush said a w/ regards to Iraq and what, a heroic phrase Todd Beamer uttered as an act of bravery and defiance during the 9/11 attacks? Those aren't anywhere NEAR the 'astro turffed' crap that the PR machine Obama Inc came up with, specifically during and FOR his campaign. Please. You're embarrassing yourself.



And they were repeated over and over by the right as part of their phony astroturfed "patriotism".


Mike

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:02 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, they're SEIU thugs alright. You continue to " play " stupid.




You're clearly not "playing" stupid; you really are just that dumb.

You still haven't shown any evidence that there are such things as "SIEU thugs". Like terror plots and WMD, you saying it doesn't make it so. Never did, never will.

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:11 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


i showed you two video clips, but you still refuse to admit that you're wrong.

Are you that stupid ? Seriously?

The Zapruder film doesn't ACTUALLY show JFK getting killed, either.

Seriously, go troll over at the Dancing w/ the Stars or American Idol message boards for a while. You bore me.






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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:16 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


More of Kwickie's imaginary friends find their way to the real world.....

SEIU thugs vs. the Boy Scouts — and other related Big Labor antics

By Michelle Malkin • November 16, 2009 09:29 AM

Hey, you know all that high-minded talk from President Obama about calling young people to serve their country?

Well, if it conflicts with Big Labor’s interests, children, there’s a new message: Knock it off!

The Purple Shirted (purple bellied) -thugs of the Service Employees International Union — ACORN’s alter ego and Obama’s most frequent visitor — are going after an Eagle Scout who poses a threat to their workers because he’s volunteering too much.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/16/seiu-thugs-vs-the-boy-scouts/


It's official - the socialist Danny Glover is too old for this shit. On Friday, the actor, who apparently is also an activist for worker's rights, a role he has yet to play in a Hollywood film. Glover joined Purple Shirt thug Andy Stern at a rally in Maryland against Sodexo, Inc.






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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:01 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Wait - are you saying that Danny Glover is an official "SIEU thug" now?

And seriously, you expect me to listen to ANYTHING MIchelle Malkin has to say? Really?

Go back to your Auburn boards; those backwards rednecks seem more your speed.

Mike

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:19 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Wait - are you saying that Danny Glover is an official "SIEU thug" now?



Just proving you wrong. Again.

Too easy.

Simon longs for your postings, no doubt. Run along.






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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:33 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Wait - are you saying that Danny Glover is an official "SIEU thug" now?



Just proving you wrong. Again.

Too easy.

Simon longs for your postings, no doubt. Run along.



How does that prove me wrong? If anything, it proves me RIGHT. You showed us a picture of AN ACTOR in a purple shirt, as your "proof" that the people in purple shirts in your videos were "SEIU thugs". Are you saying Danny Glover is now an ACTUAL "SEIU thug"? Maybe I'm missing your point; maybe you're not making yourself abundantly clear. Is everyone who wears purple an "SEIU thug"? Is it the color that makes them thugs? Is it Michelle Malkin calling them thugs which makes them thugs - you know, like if George W. Bush says you're a terrorist, then *BING!*, you're a terrorist!


By the way, of the two of us, who is it who quit this place in a snit about a year ago? Why'd you come back? Idol fans run you off from their site? Did Seacrest make you cry?

Mike

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I guess I'll just have to take Rappy's word for it that the SEIU is full of thugs going around the country and beating up any non-union worker or volunteer. Or that the SEIU officially runs the Democratic National Committee and all state and local governments. The purple shirts must be everywhere, on every corner - yet somehow I, a registered voter, a volunteer, a "known liberal" in wide circles, have never met a single one of them. I know not one SEIU member, much less any of their "thugs"; I've never been beaten up when speaking to my congressman; I've never been threatened for cleaning up the park or Town Lake; I've never had the dogs sicced on my when volunteering at the animal shelter.

For "thugs", I must say the "SEIU thugs" around Austin are really dropping the ball! C'mon - we're a liberal bastion in a red state; shouldn't the SEIU be blanketing this town? Where are they? Heck, as weak as the SEIU seems to be, I'm sure even someone as old and frail as Danny Glover could come in, knock some heads together in true "thug" fashion, and completely take over this town. How come we haven't been subjugated by them, if they're so all-powerful? And don't say it's because they're just playing nice; they're "thugs", remember?

Mike

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, they're SEIU thugs alright.




So, with all those cameras there, with the police there, with them "roughing up" people in the crowd, SURELY somebody knows their names, right? They were detained by the police and charged, weren't they? What are their names? Which SEIU locals do they belong to? Are they on the charters of those local union rolls?

You *KNOW* they're SEIU members - "thugs" even, or enforcers. They MUST have names, right? Names known to you and the others on the right?

Because if you don't know exactly WHO they are, how would you know whether they're actually SEIU members or not?

Mike

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:19 PM

AURAPTOR

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Kenneth Gladney, victim of an attack by SEIU thugs Elston McCowan and Perry Molens.






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Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:33 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


There, was that so hard?

Now, a couple questions.

Are the two you mentioned confirmed union members and union organizers?

Would you say that anyone wearing the union shirt acts and speaks in an official capacity for the union?

Has there been a trial? Any idea of the outcome? (I should probably look it up myself, but you seem to already have all the facts of the case, so I'm sure you're following it intensely and know everything about what's going on)

I see a lot of biased reporting and unsubstantiated claims surrounding the alleged incident. Is there video of this "attack" occurring? There were so many people there, so many cameras, surely someone caught the full incident on camera, right? I mean, if it happened, that is.

Mike

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Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Mike and Crappy going at it again...what a waste of time, Mike! Why do you bother knocking your head against the wall, unless you enjoy doing it, and want excuses to call him names?

Oh, well, back to searching for a decent thread to read (I didn't bother with this one once I saw what it was). Just sayin'...


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