Where's all the hand wringing and outrage over the violence here ? by AURaptor

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Well it IS very typical.

Have a peaceful, open-carry rally in VA?

"OMG! WHAARRBABBLE! THE WORLD IS GOING TO END THOSECRAZYGUNNUTSAREGOINGTOSTORMWASHINGTONANDTHECAPITAL!"

Arizona law passes: Mexicans start RIOTING?

".....its a protest full of pent up tension and anger at this terrible injustice.."

Its so easy to see the bias in the media, all you have to do is read. *sigh

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:38 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Looks like you two have provided plenty of outraged hand-wringing, so I'd have to say it's right here.

And you provided your own links to the coverage you say doesn't exist.

H Y P O C R I S Y !

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Funny that you'd equate Fox News as being the the voice of all the MSM. Where's cnn, abc, nbc, cbs, msnbc....?

Where are the thoughtful , introspective panels? Where are the roundtable shows on what's REALLY behind the protest?

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:35 AM

Why is it funny that I'd recognize Fox as the MSM? How often is it pointed out that they have the highest ratings? Are you one of those who actually think they AREN'T part of the "lamestream media"? Now THAT is funny!

Quote:
Where are the thoughtful , introspective panels? Where are the roundtable shows on what's REALLY behind the protest?

Certainly not on Fox!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:56 AM

At this point, I think the tea party needs to shoot someone, just so they can gain credibility as an equal and legitimate threat, so people don't think it's all just for show. Heck, we could even make it a skirmish battle and sell tickets.

It's grandma being killed by government panels versus grandma getting deported because of social injustice! See the existing majority take on the growing minority challenger in an epic fight to determine control of the nation once and for all! A battle that will have everyone asking themselves, am I Tex-Mex, or Gringo!

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:12 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

MOST excellent, Byte!

I think it's awful when there is any violence. While I understand their frustration and fear, it's a shame. That good old "mob mentality" thing is hard to beat.

However, I think you're trying to equate this instance to the Tea Party movement, which is wrong. It's apples and oranges.

It does make me wonder tho'...you therefore think it would have been wrong of ANY Jew to try and stand up to THEIR "papers please" law at that time, I take it? That doesn't seem logical. Aside from the fact that they'd have disappeared or been killed immediately...

I hate to tell you, but for me at least it's not THAT much of a battle as to which side scores more "points" in being violent. I think there's plenty enough of that to go around; I'll leave you to enjoy your "taking coup" if it gives you pleasure. It's pretty silly to get satisfaction out of people fighting one another, but go for it.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:27 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Here's an idea for AZ cops...

Advertise a rally opposing this bill, then arrest and deport everyone who shows up.

Problem solved.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:31 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"Here's an idea for AZ cops...

Advertise a rally opposing this bill, then arrest and deport everyone who shows up.

Problem solved."

LMAO! Thats actually a GREAT idea!

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Here's an idea for AZ cops...

Advertise a rally opposing this bill, then arrest and deport everyone who shows up.

Problem solved."

LMAO! Thats actually a GREAT idea!

Of course - that way you could also deport all those pesky "libruls" with their preening ideas about such esoteric concepts as "civil liberties"...

As I've pointed out before to Rappy, Wulf - any time you find yourself on the side of the group screaming "Round 'em all up!", you know you're on the wrong side. That side is called "the mob".

Not that I'd really expect anything like deep thinking on such issues. Your default position is screaming, anger, indignation, and calls to arms. Well, except when the tyranny comes from the right, then you meekly bow your head and accept your orders from your masters.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:48 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Funny that you'd equate Fox News as being the the voice of all the MSM. Where's cnn, abc, nbc, cbs, msnbc....?

Where are the thoughtful , introspective panels? Where are the roundtable shows on what's REALLY behind the protest?

Wow, is there an echo in here, or are you just parroting yourself yet again?

By the way, Google shows 7307 articles from all sorts of sources when you use the keywords "Arizona immigration violent protest". Looks like CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, & MSNBC are all represented.

And why is it that on the one hand you like to hold out Fox as the shining beacon of - ahem - "fair and balanced" news coverage, pointing out their high ratings as # 1, and on the other hand you claim that they aren't representative of "mainstream media", when they are in point of fact the very epitome of that mainstream media?

How do you square those conflicting views in your own head?

Could it be...

H Y P O C R I S Y ? !

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:15 AM

FREMDFIRMA

I think they're nuts, and have gone rabid - and James Bovard makes a damned good case.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0423/Tea-party-activi
sts-Do-they-hate-liberals-more-than-they-love-liberty

What's even more interesting is that when he called them out on it, Lew Rockwell, a site that's pretty damned right-leaning itself, stood and delivered right with him.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/bovard/bovard76.1.html

And it's not like Bovard takes partisan sides when it comes to the chops busting neither, cause he was right fond of puttin his boot up Clintons ass for all the right reasons as well, and Obama isn't gonna escape some well deserved bootin neither.

But the Tea Party has inadvertently revealed the brown shirts they're trying to cover up by wrapping themselves in the flag, and as such their "movement" is all but doomed as they spend more and more time trying to cover that up than actually accomplishing a damned thing.

And all the while, they and the rest of the Conservative Authoritarians involve themselves in a circular firing squad while the Liberal Authoritarians (whom I hate every bit as much) steamroller them.

That's what annoys me the worse, the stupid fucks ain't even useful as a roadblock cause their own petty hatred makes them act more like a bunch of petulant children throwing a temper tantrum than any useful political front - just as hard-green liberals never get anywhere cause they're too busy fighting over the nitpicks and specifics of their own cause, so too does the tea party, arguing over what faction of society they should lynch first and whether they should bother with the white sheets or not...

But seriously, their true colors are on display for all to see - and that act of foolishness not only dooms them, it dooms any politician stupid enough to slime themselves with it by association, so even the most jackbooted sumbitches on the hill are running away as fast as they can from those freakin idiots.

So sure, embrace them as you like, just so you know what you're gettin in bed with, and how contagious it is.

-Frem

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:30 AM

I don't enjoy people fighting. I was being extremely sarcastic and annoyed that it's all come to this. Frankly, I'm very sympathetic to the Chicano population and the deportation racial profiling bullshit they're being put through, but THIS is not the way to handle it or win any points. They're just playing into the hands of the enemy.

Put in "Tea Party" "conservative population" and "big government bullshit" in previous as desired.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:33 AM

MINCINGBEAST

agreed byte. i actually enjoy, and support, violence and petulance, but there's a difference between outrage and persuasion. anger does make an idea palatable--its like a turd in the punch bowl.

a lesson that the teapartiers, and other activists (chicano or otherwise) could learn is that throwing crap and sreaming feels awesome, but does not dignify your point of view.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:35 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Hearts and Minds, folks... Hearts and Minds...

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:38 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Also, found this bit a little interesting...

You know, for those who support the chicanos...

Just saying..

http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:48 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I gotta ask, tho' I'll probably regret it: So Raptor, what do YOU think is "REALLY behind the protest"?

As to violence doing no good, of course that's true. What's brought up here is two guys having a fist fight, a cop intervening and the crowd getting rowdy about it.

First, this is one instance.

Second, it's essentially between two people, with the crowd joining in.

Third, for the most part nobody else GOES to Tea Party rallies, or at least not alone, so they're only with themselves (unless there's a standoff from the other side). Thus it's logical there wouldn't be any violence, there's nobody there to disagree with them.

Fourth, this issue is one which threatens the people protesting SPECIFICALLY, endangers their freedom directly, whereas the Tea Party folks just THINK their lifestyle is endangered and there's no existing threat...as indicated by the amusing Second Amendment protest being held in a national park, where Obama just made it legal to carry guns! The people affected by the Arizona law can now, quite concretely, look at the possibility of any one of them being singled out and jailed for lack of papers...the minute it goes into effect. The Tea Partiers are protesting something nebulous; from what I've seen, most of them aren't even sure quite WHAT, most say "take our country back" or "freedom" or "fewer taxes", but their actual freedom isn't in danger.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:05 AM

The tea party isn't violent amongst itself, true. It happens in other ways, ways that on the larger level they aren't aware of. Like a fist fight in Arizona over immigration reform.

The bees nest has been disturbed, you see. Whether you're just throwing rocks at it or whether you've got a stick you're stirring around in it, doesn't matter. Just more reasons to piss off the bees.

I see this as very much the tea party crowd versus the chicanos here. Shall we do a show of hands, then? Tea party people, who here supports harsher immigration laws and enforcement?

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:10 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Raises hand reluctantly. Maybe, totally unsure at this point.

There are too many issues at play here.

Do I want the Aztlan-illegals out of my country? Hell yeah. Do I want police asking ME for MY papers? Hell no. Do I want cheap labor that will cut my lawn, move my crap, and do it all for under 15 an hour? YES. Do I want them living next door to me? No.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:33 AM

Well, except maybe the living next to you part, which I don't quite understand... It's not unreasonable, but the problem is that people have very real concerns that this will just cause them to get harassed. I mean, you said that you don't want to have to "show your papers..." Isn't that kind of a dangerous precedent, no matter if you're "illegal" or not? Trumped up charges, and what may constitute illegal? You're all worried about healthcare, what if "papers" becomes your INSURANCE papers as much as proof of visa or even citizenship? What if this enables such checks of average citizens?

I'm not so sure the MEChA are something to be worried about. I suspect that the reconquista accusations have been really played up by people who want you to be afraid of them.

Here's a wikipedia entry, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEChA

The reconquista ideas don't seem to be a stated part of their agenda, but rather something attributed to them. I'm wondering why your webpage isn't a link to a charter AT a university? It doesn't look legit. These supposedly all operate through universities. It's a chicano student organization.

Digging deeper, yeah, it's not legit. The webpage is straight from the mouth of a politician, who, I note, doesn't seem to understand how driver's licenses operate. He also talks about "repudiating" any "anti-American" groups, without specifying who all that might constitute. I appreciate he has no polish, but he really doesn't have a chance of winning, you know, and this is absolutely not a non-biased source.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:37 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Raises hand reluctantly. Maybe, totally unsure at this point.

There are too many issues at play here.

Do I want the Aztlan-illegals out of my country? Hell yeah. Do I want police asking ME for MY papers? Hell no. Do I want cheap labor that will cut my lawn, move my crap, and do it all for under 15 an hour? YES. Do I want them living next door to me? No.

You should check out a movie called Sleep Dealer. I believe it presents a utopian vision for you.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:42 AM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I don't enjoy people fighting. I was being extremely sarcastic and annoyed that it's all come to this. Frankly, I'm very sympathetic to the Chicano population and the deportation racial profiling bullshit they're being put through, but THIS is not the way to handle it or win any points. They're just playing into the hands of the enemy.

Put in "Tea Party" "conservative population" and "big government bullshit" in previous as desired.

Mark my words, Byte, there WILL be a liberal, peaceful backlash against this. Some of it will come in the form of lost tourism dollars to Arizona, which is already being done - even the Mexican leader of Sonora has called upon Mexican citizens to stop crossing into the U.S. to buy ANYTHING in Arizona. Conventions are crossing Arizona off their list of possible sites, any and all Hispanic groups are calling for boycotts of anything that comes from the state - and they're going to be "boycotting" Republican candidates and Tea Party candidates who support this legislation, too.

But look for people to start lashing out by "dressing illegal" - trying to look like what they think an illegal would look like - serapes, sandals made of tire tread, etc., in an effort to (a) cause the police to waste time shaking them down for no reason at all, but only because they seem to fit the profile (and the cops CAN'T look at race - remember, "RACIAL" profiling is illegal, according to the governor of Arizona!), and (b) identify a bit with the people they sympathize with.

I'm old enough to remember the tire-tread sandals being a fashion thing during the Vietnam War, because they were seen as what the VC wore. I didn't wear them, but I understood even then why some people would.

The violence is NOT any answer, and it only serves to embolden the idiots who are already behind this kind of legislation.

Likewise, I abhor the vandalism of the state capitol. But it was more than just a little bit hilarious, simply because of the media used to do it. Someone painted swastikas on the windows of the capitol building - but they used REFRIED BEANS as the paint! It's wrong, but it's also funny as hell.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:47 AM

Quote:

Well, except maybe the living next to you part, which I don't quite understand... It's not unreasonable, but the problem is that people have very real concerns that this will just cause them to get harassed. I mean, you said that you don't want to have to "show your papers..." Isn't that kind of a dangerous precedent, no matter if you're "illegal" or not? Trumped up charges, and what may constitute illegal? You're all worried about healthcare, what if "papers" becomes your INSURANCE papers as much as proof of visa or even citizenship? What if this enables such checks of average citizens?

Thanks, Byte - that's pretty much exactly what I was saying first thing this morning, but I don't think Wulf could hear it clearly, since it came from some damned hippie liberal like ME.

Once upon a time in this country, you were supposed to be assumed to be free and secure in your person and your papers, unless and until a properly sworn warrant were issued, upon which time you could THEN be questioned and searched.

I could've sworn there was even an Amendment or something that outlined this and enshrined it into law. I must have been dreaming...

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

But look for people to start lashing out by "dressing illegal" - trying to look like what they think an illegal would look like - serapes, sandals made of tire tread, etc., in an effort to (a) cause the police to waste time shaking them down for no reason at all, but only because they seem to fit the profile (and the cops CAN'T look at race - remember, "RACIAL" profiling is illegal, according to the governor of Arizona!), and (b) identify a bit with the people they sympathize with.

I like this idea. Especially since people can sue the police if they don't follow up on such leads.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:55 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Now, now... those "crazy gun nuts" might see you wearing "illegal clothing" as a right to shoot you full of .40 holes.

Would hate for that to happen.

Really.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Raises hand reluctantly. Maybe, totally unsure at this point.

There are too many issues at play here.

Do I want the Aztlan-illegals out of my country? Hell yeah. Do I want police asking ME for MY papers? Hell no. Do I want cheap labor that will cut my lawn, move my crap, and do it all for under 15 an hour? YES. Do I want them living next door to me? No.

Well, thanks for stopping to think about it, at least.

Do I want illegals out of my country? Yup. I'd rather have them not come in to begin with, though. And there ARE ways to make it much harder for them to be here: hold employers responsible. Make it a felony to hire illegals whom you know or should reasonably suspect are in the country illegally. Use asset forfeiture, if you really want to crack down and get serious about it. Think about it: would YOU hire an illegal in your business or as your nanny if you knew it could cost you your business or your home?

And absolutely, if you're arrested and taken in for ANY crime, you should be checked for your legal status. I thought that was a given. Hell, many places are routinely taking DNA and blood evidence now, for crimes as simple as suspicion of DUI.

Do I want police asking ME for MY papers?

Not any more than they already do, at least.

Do I want cheap labor that will cut my lawn, move my crap, and do it all for under 15 an hour?

No. I want to do it myself, or pay someone a fair wage for doing it. Sorry, but I'll stand by that. I cut my own lawn, and I move my own stuff.

Do I want them living next door to me?

Hmmmm... That's actually a tough one, because I kinda see where you're coming from. I actually did live next to a family that very well may have been illegals, for a number of years. Very nice people, very hard-working, all of the males had at least two jobs at any given time. My ONLY issue with them was that they were messy. I don't know if it's a cultural thing or a "poor" thing (or even a racist thing on my part, which it could be, and I could be blind to it), but they didn't grasp the idea of putting trash in the trash can, or of recycling at all. That bugged me, so I can kinda see what you're talking about on that one. And I'm speaking from first-hand experience there.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:02 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Now, now... those "crazy gun nuts" might see you wearing "illegal clothing" as a right to shoot you full of .40 holes.

Would hate for that to happen.

Really.

I'd hate for that to happen, too. And not just because I'd hate to be full of .40 holes! I'd hate it because it would absolutely play into the hands of the anti-gun crazies that you worry so much about. Hate to point it out to you, but the fastest way to lose your (and everybody else's) gun rights is to start flaunting those rights as an excuse to blow people full of holes simply because you don't like the way they look.

What else ya got?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:11 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Well spoken, Mike, and I agree with almost all of it.

Congrats Wulf for taking the time to think about the issue.

As for me, the only thing I disagree with is having them living next door. I have no problem with that. The reason is that our neighborhood group, "WENA" (West End Neighborhood Association", which is nothing more than some of the neighbors in our designated part of town who voluntarily get together and work to improve the area), would hassle them about the messiness and get them used to cleaning it up. I see that as a much more reasonable way to attack that particular problem.

And yes, we mow our own lawns and so forth, and around this area, most people do. There are landscapers who no doubt employ illegals; I wish they didn't, I wish employers WERE the ones they went after, because that would solve the whole problem. People come here to earn a decent living; make it impossible for them to get jobs, you solve the problem. It's sad, because I know how awful it is where they come from, but immigration has to be legal.

Right now, tho', I'm for the feds to get off their butts and come up with some immigration reform that covers the country so we can deal with the ISSUE, not back-door political maneuvering.

Which is what the Arizona law is about. Check the other thread specifically about that; I posted facts about where this legislation comes from--ignore the Maddow video if you wish, I searched out material on the internet that backs it up with FACTS and cites. I didn't know all this; now that I've searched it out, I'm madder than ever about this law.

Oh, and Mike; along with Story, I LOVE your idea...I hope someone suggests it to people who are as incensed as I am (and others are). I think it would be GREAT, and a great way to express indignation at the loss of ANYONE's civil rights! My skin is olive enough that I swear, if I could do it, I'd go to Arizona and do that myself!

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:31 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

15 an hour x 40 = 600

600 x 52 = $31200

And thats WITHOUT paying ANY taxes. Cashy money, so to speak.

Now tell me that isnt a fair wage.

Hell, I WISH I made that after taxes.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Now, now... those "crazy gun nuts" might see you wearing "illegal clothing" as a right to shoot you full of .40 holes.

Would hate for that to happen.

Really.

Is your brain capable of forming a response that doesn't revolve around violence?

It seems not.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:47 AM

MINCINGBEAST

having skimmed this thread, i realize how out of touch i am.

its time to stop struggling against the current. i hereby disavow debate and rhetoric, in favor of blood and thunder. i will settle all of my disputes with karate, or machineguns, and turn all disagreements into fights to the death. i will prevail, and soon, you will all be dead.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
15 an hour x 40 = 600

600 x 52 = $31200

And thats WITHOUT paying ANY taxes. Cashy money, so to speak.

Now tell me that isnt a fair wage.

Hell, I WISH I made that after taxes.

Do you see a lot of illegals making $15 an hour with no taxes taken out? Hell, I'm in Austin - one of the more expensive cities to live in in the U.S. - and that's more than most people here get paid.

The reason people hire illegals is generally so they can pay them LESS than minimum wage. And they try to "sell" it to the illegals by saying, "Well, it's not much, but I'm not taking taxes out..."

If you can pay an illegal $15 an hour, 40 hours a week, for a year, you really should be shut down for hiring illegals, because you could quite easily pay a *LEGAL* employee $10 or $12 an hour and avoid the legal hassles. And if you aren't willing to play legally, you shouldn't be in business. Kinda the whole problem I tend to have with the megacorporations - they rig the game to favor them, and then they STILL don't play by their own rules, even when they're allowed to write the rules!

Now, if you *DON'T* want to play by the rules and hire only legal employees, then you should probably stop bitching about the illegals, since you're the ones enabling them. That's like a meth dealer bitching about the junkies always calling his stupid ass wanting to score more crank! Stop dealing with them, stop doing business illegally, and you won't have the illegals to worry about!

People don't hire illegals because they show up on their doorstep; illegals come here because they know someone will hire them. Either stop hiring them, or stop bitching about them.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
having skimmed this thread, i realize how out of touch i am.

its time to stop struggling against the current. i hereby disavow debate and rhetoric, in favor of blood and thunder. i will settle all of my disputes with karate, or machineguns, and turn all disagreements into fights to the death. i will prevail, and soon, you will all be dead.

Cry "Havoc!", and let slip the dogs of war.

Some dead guy wrote that.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:54 AM

MINCINGBEAST

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Cry "Havoc!", and let slip the dogs of war.

Some dead guy wrote that.

nothing written is worth reading, including this post.

shouting and spite get nothing done, and so long as we're getting nothing done, we might as well just slaughter each other.

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:23 AM

(Aside: mincingbeast is SO totally The Joker)

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Posting an "article" on a web page and devoting precious air time during your t.v. shows and news casts over an issue are vastly different. Take all the time the MSM spent talking about, showing clips of Tea Party non - violence , but claiming that it COULD turn bad, vs the time spent on ACTUAL violence already seen w/ reaction to the AZ ILLEGAL Immigration bill, and it's not even close.

No one w/ an above room temp I.Q. or a shred of honesty can claim otherwise.

And to claim that FOX speaks for ALL the MSM, is, again... quite funny, coming from folks in this forum.

Very funny.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:17 AM

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(Aside: mincingbeast is SO totally The Joker)

And remember, kiddies: You can't spell "SLAUGHTER" without LAUGHTER! :)

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Posting an "article" on a web page and devoting precious air time during your t.v. shows and news casts over an issue are vastly different. Take all the time the MSM spent talking about, showing clips of Tea Party non - violence , but claiming that it COULD turn bad, vs the time spent on ACTUAL violence already seen w/ reaction to the AZ ILLEGAL Immigration bill, and it's not even close.

No one w/ an above room temp I.Q. or a shred of honesty can claim otherwise.

And to claim that FOX speaks for ALL the MSM, is, again... quite funny, coming from folks in this forum.

Very funny.

Well, when it comes to room-temp IQ, I'll defer to your expertise. You know of what you speak, since you actually HAVE an IQ of around 68 to 72...

Now, you posted an "article" on a web page, did you not? I posted a link to over 7000 articles. You posted no actual news coverage on TV; you posted no figures or statistics showing how much airtime each network devoted to said (alleged) violence. Now you want to claim that we're comparing apples to bears, because we didn't play by the rules you seem to have set up in your own head and never passed along to anyone else.

Further, please show me exactly WHERE I made the "claim that FOX speaks for ALL the MSM". Find it. Quote it. Show me where I've ever said it. Don't tell me what you THOUGHT I said (we've already established that you're not very bright, and your reading comprehension is beyond bad); show me my exact words where I made that claim. I *DID* say that Fox *IS* a member of the "lamestream media", as half-governor Palin called them. You can't be Numero Uno in the ratings and then claim that you don't belong to the group you top in ratings. I implied that if Fox is covering it, it obviously HAS gotten coverage in the so-called MSM, since they're the 800-pound gorilla in the broadcast news biz.

Are you saying that Fox ISN'T in the legitimate news business?

Finally, on what do you base your baseless claim? Have you actually WATCHED all the news coverage on all of those other networks to verify whether or not they've ignored this story?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Wulf, I'm the librul outcast on the topic of immigration. It makes me grit my teeth, it truly does, when I listen to people defending illegal immigration on left-wing radio.

It's full of "our people", and "la raza", and "the working class" (as if only brown-skinned folks worked for a living!). Here's a quote that had me somewhere between laughing and crying: "They're trying to criminalize our people". TRYING to criminalize? Hey, isn't being in the country illegally ALREADY illegal???

The thing that pisses me off more than anything is that illegal immigrants REALLY do not identify with this country. They don't hold the same ideals, don't want to speak the same language, don't even see themselves as the same "race" (whatever that is). In their mind, they feel they should be able to get whatever benefits they can out of this economy without even making a pretense of wanting to belong. It's very much an "us versus them" attitude, whether they draw the line at nationality, language, or skin color. Because of all of the exploitation by the gringos, you see. Some payback in that attitude.

But, what's the answer? All of the solutions to the illegal immigration problem seem to run towards identity papers being required of everyone. That's not a solution I want.

So the only answer is to enforce the minimum wage. And I mean REALLY enforce it. Make all employers pay everyone the minimum wage, and pay taxes on it too. Take the advantage out of hiring "illegals".

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Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Finally, on what do you base your baseless claim? Have you actually WATCHED all the news coverage on all of those other networks to verify whether or not they've ignored this story?

How long will it take Rappy to answer this question?

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Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:08 AM

My bet: Never.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:23 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Storymark:
My bet: Never.

Yeah, but he *wins* anyway- psychosis is like that.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:36 AM

This sounds like a fun game! How are we picking teams? Can I get the UNICORN?

Yaaaaaay!

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Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:54 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Mike said:

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By the way, Google shows 7307 articles from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, & MSNBC are all represented.

And why is it that on the one hand you like to hold out Fox as the shining beacon of - ahem - "fair and balanced" news coverage, pointing out their high ratings as # 1, and on the other hand you claim that they aren't representative of "mainstream media", when they are in point of fact the very epitome of that mainstream media?

Please point out where he said Fox speaks for ALL mainstream media for us all. If you're confused by the word "epitome": " a typical or ideal example". Which is what he meant...FauxNews is by far the most typical an example of LAMEstream media, newstainment, etc., in that it embodies not news, but ideological pablum for the most informed, easily-fed audience out there; ergo, the "epitome".

I'm afraid your reading comprehension does need a bit of improving...or perhaps you should slow down and read the actual WORDS, rather than jumping to assumptions and repeating them as "fact". Just an idea.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:20 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
This sounds like a fun game! How are we picking teams? Can I get the UNICORN?

As long as I get My Little Pony & a plastic rocket.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:23 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Niki2:
LAMEstream media

Oh Niki- that's just CLASSIC!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:58 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Why? Everyone uses it (Palin started it I believe, so I'll give her credit)...or do you mean with regard to FixedNews? They ARE the classic lamestream media, so I'm just calling a lame a lame (I would have said "a spade a spade", but someone would cry "racism!").

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:17 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

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Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:02 PM