Reality bites the Tea Party by Niki2

Wulf kind of has a point here. Why the fear? Tea par tiers ade actually neither an aberration nor scary, and not at all stupid from the ones I've met, And also firefly fans, so there's something. They have a political point of view and want to be heard, so they are exercising their first amendment right to peaceably assemble, just as their counterparts on the left have done for decades. Actually, the left should thank these guys because they will quite likely create a little more tolerance for demonstrating on the right, and maybe there will be less of the old taser and teargas approach from the top.

Byte, yes, you're right, technically the AZ law isn't fascism, butts on that particular slippery slope. On the tea party tax angle, some of them understand that better than we do, you should check out some of the tax analysis, I had no idea it was as complicated as it is, but it is. The more spending there is, not only the more debt and the more interest, but the more dilution of the dollar, and the more hops any money spent is going through, and the more hops it goes through, the more times it gets taxed, which is more important than the actual rate being charged.

The whole system is incredible regressive, the overtaxed goods that go through the most taxation are those consume by the poor. The high end expenses, such as investments, real estate, have lower tax, and the overseas transactions need not have any.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:18 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Terrified?

Cracked up: yes; terrified: not even slightly.

Man you can't even come up with ANYTHING today, can 'ya wulfie? As for educated, see the other post with photos of their wonderfully eddicated signs...if being able to spell makes on an "elitist", I'll take it over ignorance any day!

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The lies, the slander, the name-calling, the plants

Given the PROVEN lies, slander, name calling and fraud of ClusterFox, obviously

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You can't offer up any substantive, reasonable reply, other than dole out insults and dismissive, personal comments.

Ergo, you are irrelevant. Sometimes amusing, tho'.

Temper tantrum? It's a temper tantrum to get a kick out of how the Tea Partiers are so confused and taken with their own complaints they don't recognize reality?

The only "temper tantrum" I've seen today is you grousing about my emoticons and hurling insults. Got to you, did I? You're not pissing me off, if that's your intent, you just make me laugh.

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We've put up with these things like a person would with a spoiled child.

You REALLY need some new material wiffy, the "child" thing has gotten waaaay too old, and only manages to show YOU up:

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I'm always amused when the petulant little children pretend they're on the moral high ground and call others petulant children

You have nothing to say, but you say it anyway...unfortunately you're so far out in never-never land that it just doesn't stick, sorry. But your pathetic efforts ARE amusing, thank you.

Or as Mike would say:

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:32 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Ahhh, people with brains who can actually make valid point; how refreshing! Byte, no, my point is that on so many issues, what the Tea Party screaming about isn't valid...like the gun thing; and the fact taxes have been lowered is one of the best examples. It's about the whole thing, not just one issue. They seem to be completely clueless about whatever stand they grab onto and complain about.

You actually pinpointed what I was trying to say with "The problem is a lack of understanding on their side".

And

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They also need to wake up about who's behind the tea party, because I can guarantee THEY aren't for a reduced government

THAT's the worst of it! They're being lied to, strung along, riled up by FoxNoise and their like, to be angry about things that aren't what they should be angry about, and they'll most likely wake up to find they've been shills for just what they were arguing AGAINST!

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They have a political poinst of view and want to be heard

THAT I have no argument with; it's the freakish stuff and how they're "wagging the dog" of the Republican party, to the detriment of everyone in my opinion, that irritates me. They're over-the-topness isn't good for the country or our government, and that's a shame.

As to the tax angle, the joke to me is that they're blaming Obama for raising taxes, when in actuality he's lowered them significantly. Other things may happen in the future, but what logic is there in hollering and carrying signs about taxes being raised when they've been lowered? Among other things, it lessens their credibility.

And I don't think they understand the situation at ALL; I truly believe they swallow what they're told whole cloth, then act on it. If I thought they understood, and had any kind of reasonable argument to make, I wouldn't find them so funny.

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The whole system is incredible regressive, the overtaxed goods that go through the most taxation are those consume by the poor. The high end expenses, such as investments, real estate, have lower tax, and the overseas transactions need not have any.

Absofrigginlootely; now if they wanted to go against THAT, I'd be right there with them. But like most easily-led Americans, they believe their "day" will come someday, so they want lower taxes for the rich; or else they believe lower taxes for the rich will result in more and btter jobs, which is also false.

I actually agree with some of their premises, but the absolute blindness I see them exhibit leaves me with nothing but disdain, unfortunately. Like the idea of screaming that Obama will take away their guns when he's actually WEAKENED gun laws; that's a prime example to me of the fact that they listen to those who tell them what they want to hear and make little or no effort to discover if it's true or not...and in some cases (like right here), wouldn't believe the truth if it were proven to them.

That, I find pathetic.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:33 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
It cracks me up how much the progs are terrified of the Tea Party folks.

"They raciss! They crazy! They domestic terrorists! They uneducated!"

Uh-huh.

It cracks ME up how much you Republicans - er, FORMER Republicans - keep trying to insist you're none of those things. Or that you tea-baggers are relevant. You're not to be pointed at in fear; you're to be pointed at and LAUGHED at, because you really are a joke.

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We've heard it all from the suppossed gentle, diversified, educated libs.

The lies, the slander, the name-calling, the plants...

Yes, we've put up with all of that, and more, from the alleged "patriotic" tea baggers, who claim that all they really want is what the Founding Fathers offered. Slavery, disenfranchisement of women, privileges of citizenship due only to the wealthy...

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We've put up with these things like a person would with a spoiled child.

You should be used to it. You gave us your messiah, George W. Bush, the epitome of a spoiled child.

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Keep trying, its amusing to see you throw a temper tantrum.

Not nearly as amusing as it is to see you talk about how racist you aren't, or how "independant" [sic] you think you are, or how you never supported Republicans.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:36 PM

For all their pissing and moaning about bail-outs, how many Tea Parties have there been on Wall Street?

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:51 PM

America loves a winner!

niki,

you ignorant slut.

Good night, and have a pleasant tomorrow.

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."
Frederic Bastiat

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Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:16 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Al Qaeda Dictator Saddam Hussein Obama Bin Laden spent more money in 1 year than all other US presidents combined. BORROWED money.

THAT'S THE SAME THING AS A TAX.

Except it's a tax on future slaves. Given to the jew banksters, without Congress allowed to be told where the money went, under threat of martial law.

Unconstitutional never-ratified income tax paid directly to the jew banksters without govt gettin a penny. Gas tax. Sales tax. Property tax (rent paid to govt). Phone tax. Internet tax. Tobacco tax. Alcohol tax. Death tax.

US Revolutionary War was fought over a 3% tax on tea. Today folks pay over 50% tax in USA...

Operative Nikovich12 is full of shit.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:16 PM

Niki

The tea party is a mess as an organization. Iirc, It was created by Ron Paul originally as his own "big tent" movement. Since then, the GOP has been trying to use it to reel in libertarians to the republican party. Neither the tea party members nor the tea party itself can really be called a distinct set of political positions, it originally had republicans independents and democrats, libertarians, socialist and the Christian right, everyone who disapproved of the corruption of process and the direction of govt and wanted an increase in personal liberties and opposed globalism and the mainstream partisan positions.

In qnumbers, they seem to be tending more towards wulf than the rest of us, but unifying them in an argument would be like saying "new yorkers believe"

A friend of mine was describing a tea party rally to me, and said there was a really zen mix of people, who seemed to almost self seggregate during the rally. He said the Austrian school people made s lot of sense, and he stayed mostly with them, and the GOP party operatives danced from tent to tent trying to collect support, but in doing so, asked you to support things that the speakers were clearly against, yet the GOP clearly had the most money at the event and either the grope or fox was sponsoring it.

ETA: That should have read GOP, not grope.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:22 PM

Hasnthis rather obvious thought occurk to anyone else?

That the tea party is essentially a bunch of us, following Ron Paul, and the ringmasters have intentionally made it look bad to make us despised the more firefly world in favor of star trek socialism?

Justba thought

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:25 PM

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"They "demand" smaller government; but even HINT their Social Security or Medicare might be touched, and they'll cut your throat."

Hello,

I think the Tea Partiers of yore would be quite content if you returned all the Social Security money they've invested, with interest, and closed out their accounts. Same for Medicare. If you returned their money and closed it all out, the old Tea Partiers would... Well... Have a party.

Unfortunately, the face of the Tea Party has changed a great deal since before the recent election. I almost feel like the Republican party has been allowed to buy out the Tea Party movement, infiltrating it at every level by using green monetary grease. It is most unfortunate. I'd love to be a Tea Partier, but they no longer quite resemble what I remember.

It used to be Tea Partiers were primarily Libertarian. Not anymore. I just don't recognize the movement nowadays.

"niki, you ignorant slut."

Auraptor, this is appalling. I am trying to put into words how bad it is, and I'm having trouble. It undermines any potential respect you might have earned on multiple levels. It is juvenile and sexist, for one. I just don't understand how anyone can think this is a proper method of discourse.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:42 PM

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"Like the idea of screaming that Obama will take away their guns when he's actually WEAKENED gun laws"

Hello,

When I voted for Obama, I did so with the knowledge that my right to bear arms would be compromised by his administration. This was a heavy weight on my conscience. However, I felt it was important to shift the balance of power in this country. I felt it was important to send a message to the world that we were about things like hope and tolerance.

I also hoped that a subsequent Republican president would undo whatever damage the Obama administration did.

Imagine my surprise when, month after month, I see gun rights being strengthened all over the U.S. Imagine my further surprise when, with each successive victory, the Gun Rights Advocates become louder and more energetic about their issue. I can't quite figure it out.

I have a belief about what is happening, and it is unsupported by any evidence.

I believe that the Republicans aren't winning many battles, and so they are very loud about the battlegrounds where they are virtually unopposed by the administration. They can seem like they are scoring victories, even though there isn't any pressure coming against them from the top.

Meanwhile, I think the Democrats are quite content to let the Republicans fight their imaginary war over Gun Rights to a successful conclusion, because while all that is occurring, they are focusing their attention on other areas that are important to them.

This feels true to me, and it feels extraordinarily apparent. Unfortunately, I have no actual evidence to back up my beliefs.

I also suspect that the Obama administration has a second-term plan to deal with the gun issue, and I suspect it's a plan that the Republicans are not expecting and are unprepared for. I think the administration is clever enough for an 'out of left field' solution to the problem.

In any event, I have lost a great deal of faith in Obama, since he has done little to assure that the civil rights abuses of the past are not repeated. I'd have liked to see the individuals and corporations who violated human rights on orders from the government be severely punished. We learned this was the way to deal with the issue after WWII.

I am also severely disappointed in the new Health Care plan. As a Libertarian, I opposed government mandated health care. But as a human being, I understood the potential benefit and boon to everyone if every sick man and woman, poor or rich, could rely on being treated regardless of their situation or problem. Unfortunately, the new Health Care plan seems like a profit guarantee for Insurance companies. If they were going to do this thing, there needed to be a government-run public option at no cost. I'm flabbergasted at what was delivered in its stead.

I'm just confused and disappointed all over. Nothing is what I thought it would be, and nothing is operating in a logical fashion.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:46 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
ETA: That should have read GOP, not grope.

At this point, is there a difference? ;)

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:48 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Thank you, Anthony. It only widened my eyes for a fraction of a second, because it's somewhat more ugly than he usually gets, but only slightly. When one has nothing of value to say, ugliness will usually be what people like him resort to. So don't let him "appall" you, there will be more like it down the line. Besides, he may "appall" you, but YOU "charis" ME.

You're so even-handed, civil and sensible...would that we could clone you here...sigh...

Interestingly, "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it" PRECISELY describes Dumbya and his cronies, and his administration. I'm not at all sure to what he thought he was referring, but it fits that better than anything else I can think of.

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Republican party has been allowed to buy out the Tea Party movement, infiltrating it at every level by using green monetary grease.

Unfortunately, I think you're right on. Add to that the ignorant extremists, and it's pretty much dissolved their credibility where I'm concerned. Sad.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:50 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Hasnthis rather obvious thought occurk to anyone else?

That the tea party is essentially a bunch of us, following Ron Paul, and the ringmasters have intentionally made it look bad to make us despised the more firefly world in favor of star trek socialism?

Justba thought

No. Sorry, but it HASN'T occurred to me, because Ron Paul is running away from them, too. And he's getting more support and being taken more seriously all the time.

And I can't believe that, with all the Ron Paul supporters here, *I* have to be the one to mention it, but did no one else even NOTICE that Bernie Sanders's version of Ron Paul's "Audit the Fed" amendment was passed in the Senate with a 96-0 vote?

Is there no one else here who sees that as at least SOME kind of positive sign?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:55 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

"niki, you ignorant slut."

Auraptor, this is appalling. I am trying to put into words how bad it is, and I'm having trouble. It undermines any potential respect you might have earned on multiple levels. It is juvenile and sexist, for one. I just don't understand how anyone can think this is a proper method of discourse.

I'm not one to stick up for Rappy, but that was a joke. It was based on the old Chevy Chase/ Jane Curtin Saturday Night Live Weekend Update bits, which were themselves based on the old Point/Counterpoint bits. Jane would make a very salient point, and Chevy would counter with "Jane, you ignorant slut..." and then go off on a rant that basically had nothing to do with anything.

If you know the reference, you got the joke. It *IS* juvenile and sexist; that's part of the joke.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:00 PM

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"And I can't believe that, with all the Ron Paul supporters here, *I* have to be the one to mention it, but did no one else even NOTICE that Bernie Sanders's version of Ron Paul's "Audit the Fed" amendment was passed in the Senate with a 96-0 vote?

Is there no one else here who sees that as at least SOME kind of positive sign?"

Hello,

I heard about this.

Have you ever seen the 13th Warrior?

There is a scene in the movie where a youth is standing at the prow of a boat. He is waiting to be acknowledged.

The Arab in the movie asks (I paraphrase) "What's the deal with the kid on the boat?"

His translator responds, "The boy is letting them see him."

The Arab is incredulous, "See him?! He's standing right out in the open."

"Yes," the translator replies, "but he is giving them time to decide if he is real. Something to do with the mists..."

This scene sums up my opinion on the progress on auditing the Fed. (And forgive me for using a movie to illustrate my opinion. I know such practices have a soiled history here.) But essentially, I am staring at it, watching silently, to see if it is real.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:02 PM

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"If you know the reference, you got the joke. It *IS* juvenile and sexist; that's part of the joke."

Hello,

Well... I guess I should apologize for my ignorance about this humor.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:03 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

You sure about that Mike, and/or about how he meant it? I'd like to believe you, but can't remember the last time he aimed a joke or tease at ME, so I have to question it. However, it's not worth wondering about one way or the other...

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:07 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

"niki, you ignorant slut."

Auraptor, this is appalling. I am trying to put into words how bad it is, and I'm having trouble. It undermines any potential respect you might have earned on multiple levels. It is juvenile and sexist, for one. I just don't understand how anyone can think this is a proper method of discourse.

--Anthony

Not a fan of classic SNL, I see.

Actually, I started w/ a line from Dan Akroyd, and added with how Chevy Chase use to close his "news" cast.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:09 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"Like the idea of screaming that Obama will take away their guns when he's actually WEAKENED gun laws"

Hello,

When I voted for Obama, I did so with the knowledge that my right to bear arms would be compromised by his administration. This was a heavy weight on my conscience. However, I felt it was important to shift the balance of power in this country. I felt it was important to send a message to the world that we were about things like hope and tolerance.

I also hoped that a subsequent Republican president would undo whatever damage the Obama administration did.

Imagine my surprise when, month after month, I see gun rights being strengthened all over the U.S. Imagine my further surprise when, with each successive victory, the Gun Rights Advocates become louder and more energetic about their issue. I can't quite figure it out.

I have a belief about what is happening, and it is unsupported by any evidence.

I believe that the Republicans aren't winning many battles, and so they are very loud about the battlegrounds where they are virtually unopposed by the administration. They can seem like they are scoring victories, even though there isn't any pressure coming against them from the top.

Meanwhile, I think the Democrats are quite content to let the Republicans fight their imaginary war over Gun Rights to a successful conclusion, because while all that is occurring, they are focusing their attention on other areas that are important to them.

This feels true to me, and it feels extraordinarily apparent. Unfortunately, I have no actual evidence to back up my beliefs.

I also suspect that the Obama administration has a second-term plan to deal with the gun issue, and I suspect it's a plan that the Republicans are not expecting and are unprepared for. I think the administration is clever enough for an 'out of left field' solution to the problem.

In any event, I have lost a great deal of faith in Obama, since he has done little to assure that the civil rights abuses of the past are not repeated. I'd have liked to see the individuals and corporations who violated human rights on orders from the government be severely punished. We learned this was the way to deal with the issue after WWII.

I am also severely disappointed in the new Health Care plan. As a Libertarian, I opposed government mandated health care. But as a human being, I understood the potential benefit and boon to everyone if every sick man and woman, poor or rich, could rely on being treated regardless of their situation or problem. Unfortunately, the new Health Care plan seems like a profit guarantee for Insurance companies. If they were going to do this thing, there needed to be a government-run public option at no cost. I'm flabbergasted at what was delivered in its stead.

I'm just confused and disappointed all over. Nothing is what I thought it would be, and nothing is operating in a logical fashion.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

I'm kinda right there with ya, Anthony.

I still keep hearing how Obama is going to grab our guns, and it strikes me that these dolts who are repeating this gibberish are so freaking ignorant that they probably SHOULDN'T be allowed to have firearms. Or even sharp objects. (I'm lookin' at you, Wulfie!). And yet, Obama still resolutely refuses to go a-gun-grabbin'.

Same thing with taxes. Hell, look up above - you have PN making pretty much the exact claims Rappy's been making. Rappy's been going on since pretty much day one that Obama has raised taxes, and no amount of proof otherwise will dissuade him. Now PN is claiming that Obama has spent more money than every other President combined, a claim that is just appallingly ridiculous at every conceivable level. Has Obama spent more this year than Bush's fiscal budget for last year? Yup. And that's saying something, because that Bush budget was a whopping 1.2 trillion dollars - and that didn't even include his war funding!

I still wish Obama would show up to the gun rallies and just grab the mic and say, "Gun enthusiasts, YOU'RE WELCOME!"

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:11 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

"niki, you ignorant slut."

Auraptor, this is appalling. I am trying to put into words how bad it is, and I'm having trouble. It undermines any potential respect you might have earned on multiple levels. It is juvenile and sexist, for one. I just don't understand how anyone can think this is a proper method of discourse.

--Anthony

Not a fan of classic SNL, I see.

Actually, I started w/ a line from Dan Akroyd, and finished with how Chevy Chase use to close his "news" cast.

You're right - it WAS Aykroyd that said that! I was remembering it as Chevy Chase, which was wrong. My bad.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:15 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"And I can't believe that, with all the Ron Paul supporters here, *I* have to be the one to mention it, but did no one else even NOTICE that Bernie Sanders's version of Ron Paul's "Audit the Fed" amendment was passed in the Senate with a 96-0 vote?

Is there no one else here who sees that as at least SOME kind of positive sign?"

Hello,

I heard about this.

Have you ever seen the 13th Warrior?

There is a scene in the movie where a youth is standing at the prow of a boat. He is waiting to be acknowledged.

The Arab in the movie asks (I paraphrase) "What's the deal with the kid on the boat?"

His translator responds, "The boy is letting them see him."

The Arab is incredulous, "See him?! He's standing right out in the open."

"Yes," the translator replies, "but he is giving them time to decide if he is real. Something to do with the mists..."

This scene sums up my opinion on the progress on auditing the Fed. (And forgive me for using a movie to illustrate my opinion. I know such practices have a soiled history here.) But essentially, I am staring at it, watching silently, to see if it is real.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

I'm with ya again, T. I keep waiting for the other foot to drop, or the rug to be yanked out from under us. Granted, the Sanders amendment isn't as strong as the House bill that Dr. Paul introduced (which ALSO passed), but it's not nothing.

Trick is, it's an amendment, not its own stand-alone bill. The bill it's attached to has to pass, and that's not a sure thing at this point.

Then it would have to be reconciled with the House version.

But still, it's the first time in history, so far as I recall, that such a step has been suggested or undertaken.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

And though Ron Paul will never get the credit he's due, he damned well should.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:18 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:

You sure about that Mike, and/or about how he meant it? I'd like to believe you, but can't remember the last time he aimed a joke or tease at ME, so I have to question it. However, it's not worth wondering about one way or the other...

Yup, I'm sure. It was the way it was phrased. No doubt.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:18 PM

America loves a winner!

p.p.s...

Seems they stuck w/ the original closing to SNL news,even after Chevy left the show.

For Anthony. Enjoy

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Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:39 PM

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Hello,

I apologize, Auraptor. Without a frame of reference, I incorrectly assumed the worst.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:40 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I apologize, Auraptor. Without a frame of reference, I incorrectly assumed the worst.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

Look at the bright side... you gained knowledge of humor you didn't even know existed!

Now, how shiny is that?

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:27 PM

Rap, that was perty funny, people are punchy here tonight,

Oh, the Bernie sanders thing, he spams me all the time and has since I sent him a detailed overview of the neocons Iran first strike nuclear plan, a little lite treason for the same of the human race and any other species in the strike zone.

Anthony,

Yes, all of what you say is true, but you must realize that those people who were in the tea party movement, a large number of them are still there, they are now just outnumbered by palinistas and various other groups, but thats what you get with a big tent.

As for gun laws, alas, I'm afraid that support for firm arms is coming from Hillary Clinton or someone very much like her who wants either armed rebellion against the administration, or for someone to assassinate the president.

At the moment, I have my govt healthcare through which i can get no health care, do people realize that there are times when throwing money at the problem is like throwing gasoline on the fire? A medical opinion from a knighted doctor costs a couple grand now, and without it, you can do nothing, with it, you can do very close to nothing because it probably wont be an accurate diagnosis. Now we have overpriced sub stone age care, at a price way past going to mars and back. A little sanity would be nice. Meanwhile, yeah, we will wait and see about the fed, it would be nice to see progress, but i expect to see a bait and switch operation like the "reforms" that followed the panic of 1907...

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:27 PM

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Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:14 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I also suspect that the Obama administration has a second-term plan to deal with the gun issue, and I suspect it's a plan that the Republicans are not expecting and are unprepared for. I think the administration is clever enough for an 'out of left field' solution to the problem.

That'd be the small arms treaty, right along with ACTA which makes the DMCA look like being showered in rose petals by comparison, and that's Biden, got his fingerprints all over it, from the impressively and near-effective secrecy, to using the treaty provisions of the US Constitution to end run and undermine the leglislative process.

Not real happy about that, and been pouring sand in the gears all along, but most folk don't even *KNOW* about it - classic Biden obfuscation.

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I'm just confused and disappointed all over. Nothing is what I thought it would be, and nothing is operating in a logical fashion.

That is because you are a sane and basically decent fellow, Anthony - and therefore trying to apply the wrong logic TO it.

As I have pointed out before, just because greedy sociopaths, much like crabs, all move in the same direction in response to the same stimuli, doesn't make em a hive mind, doesn't make em some great, grand conspiracy, but it can look like that from an external viewpoint, sure.

Once you understand the inhuman logic loops that govern their actions, it all makes perfect sense, and the answer to it is removing the machinery of government from their hands, but again, the problem of our political system enters cause it makes no sense to yank it out of the hands of one group of sociopaths only to hand it to another, you see...

And therefore the better method is to remove it entire, and what is the machinery of government but people - this is where the weathermen and their hopes of bombing the physical structure without harming people failed, due to not understanding that principle - without people willing to listen to them, without people willing to take and execute their orders, these shitheads are powerless.

It isn't the tyrants like Stalin and so many others that cause the death of millions, it's all the damn fools "just following orders" who carry them out from fear, ignorance, intolerance and hatred of anything not like them.

Is is THOSE people, who are the most responsible.
And those responsible, will be held accountable.
One way or another.

-Frem

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 4:51 AM