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Rand Paul labors to defuse controversy on race

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Friday, May 21, 2010 7:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Paul has had to back track on his dodging of the question, and say he would have supported the Bill of Rights. But it's a political move, don't be fooled; he'd have voted no.
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A tea party conservative on a national stage, Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul of Kentucky labored Thursday to explain remarks suggesting businesses be allowed to deny service to blacks without fear of federal interference, declaring, "I abhor racial discrimination."

Paul told CNN he would have voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act, a statement he declined to make one day earlier.

On Wednesday, Paul expressed support for the act's provisions banning discrimination in public facilities, but he had misgivings about extending the same requirement to private businesses _ then or now.

"u]Do you think that a private business has the right to say we don't serve black people?" he was asked by MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Wednesday.

"Yes. I'm not in favor of any discrimination of any form," Paul said at the beginning of a lengthy answer in which he likened the question to one about limiting freedom of speech for racists. "I don't want to be associated with those people, but I also don't want to limit their speech in any way in the sense that we tolerate boorish and uncivilized behavior because that's one of the things freedom requires."

The issue arose little more than 24 hours after the political novice swept to a landslide Republican primary victory, defeating a rival recruited by Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell and others who feared Paul's brand of conservatism might make him unelectable in the fall. The seat is currently held by retiring Republican Sen. Jim Bunning, and the party can ill afford to lose it if it is to seriously challenge Democratic control in the fall.

His Democratic rival, Jack Conway, the Kentucky attorney general, criticized his rival's comments on race, saying Paul has a "narrow political philosophy that has dangerous consequences for working families, veterans, students, the disabled and those without a voice in the halls of power."

Paul blamed the 24-hour news cycle for the controversy, a point his father, Rep. Ron Paul, emphasized.

In a sometimes testy exchange with reporters in the Capitol, he said liberals were treating his son unfairly and reporters were hoping to stop his political momentum with a "gotcha" based on out-of-context remarks.

"Making something out of nothing is just not fair," he said.

In an NPR interview on Wednesday, he was asked about federal regulation of mining and oil drilling industries, both of which have come under intense scrutiny since the explosion of a platform rig in the Gulf of Mexico unleashed a massive oil spill.

"I think that most manufacturing and mining should be under the purview of state authorities," he responded.

Given the ease with which Paul won the primary, coupled with the concern McConnell and others expressed about his ability to win statewide, it is not clear what the impact of the controversial stands and comments may be on the fall campaign.

Speaking privately, Republican strategists say that however troublesome Paul's comments are to some, his supporters could view them as fresh motivation for voting him into Congress. On the other hand, they say, other voters who routinely support GOP candidates could be repelled by his views, and either stay home on Election Day or support Conway instead.

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tucky-senate-candidate-labors-to-defuse-controversy-on-race.html


"Boorish"? "Uncivilized"? "Making something out of nothing"? You've got to be kidding! Racism wasn't just boorish and uncivilized, it was far more, and it's certainly not "nothing". Gawd, I hope he loses. Just think how different America would be under someone like him!


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 21, 2010 7:52 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I think he is an absolutist, and like all absolutists, his beliefs would be dangerous if embraced wholly. I also think he's an idealist. He wants complete freedom, and he wants to believe that people would behave themselves under complete freedom. I understand where he's coming from, but I think that one of the purposes of government is to protect its people. Some interference is necessary to ensure that protection. I often argue for less interference, but I'm not prepared to argue for none.

Any business that opens its doors to the public should not be allowed to discriminate against people by race, sex, religion, or moral philosophy.

I do exempt people's personal homes and private clubs from this, as long as they don't receive any government support, funding, or tax exempt status.

*Looks at the boy scouts disapprovingly*

Still, I often vote for people who don't represent all of my interests *Looks at Obama* because I think a shift is needed in certain areas *Looks at the Patriot Act.*

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Friday, May 21, 2010 8:06 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I agree with every word; very well said. I'm sure Crappy, et. al., will be here to say they SHOULD be able to discriminate...I think he said so quite clearly already.

I find such attitudes abhorrent, which is why I find Rand Paul abhorrent. I don't like too much government intrusion, either, but I don't fool myself that people will behave, we're a flawed species and tend to be selfish. By his thinking, as evidenced by the other thread I put up, BP shouldn't be held accountable; ergo, there should be no government oversight of the danger they pose, no laws to make them pay for their DELIBERATE skirting of safety; and the people who suffer from their selfishness should be allowed to go under, because government has no business anywhere and there should be no taxes even for it to intervene in an emergency.

Someone said something about BP wanting the government to clean up their spill. I disagree; given they want no government interference, I think the "logic" would be that government DO NOTHING; the people themselves should be left to clean it up...individual people of the Gulf, in other words. And hey, if they go out of business because oil has ruined fishing (or anything else; which it will--just look up Alaska), tough shit, BP not taking "personal responsibility" means THEY have to. Right.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 21, 2010 8:39 AM

FREMDFIRMA



It does grind a bit against the natural concept of freedom of association, but here's the rub - people voted for it, and they got it, and despite it grinding on my nerves a tiny bit due to moral objections, this is one case where "the will of the people" is something I will put up with even if I DO have a moral objection since it's obviously done some good.

I think Rand is trying to say that, but him refusing to admit that it has been a net benefit, despite the evidence, makes him look a bit racist, I do not think that's intentional, but we all know what the road to hell is paved with, yes ?

And considering the appalling commentary coming from the folks who support the guy, I will NOT do so, I can't, Constitutionalist or not, it's a fools bargain, the same way religious fanatics get that first inch on you by sending in the polite, reasonable bunch, and then fortifying the taken ground with lunatics while they reach for more.

We made that mistake once with the Temperance movement and Prohibition, I will *NOT* make it with intolerant racist bigots even if Rand himself is not directly affiliated with them, sorry, but no.

You open the door for him, you get all those assholes in his camp in your place too, and I'll not have it.

-Frem

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Friday, May 21, 2010 2:23 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Again, where is Paul's audience? Surely they believe as he does...we already know at least one does...so how do they feel about his backtracking on his "values" and saying he would have voted for the Civil Rights Act?

They've been lauding him to the sky, aren't they willing to defend him?


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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