Obama's Oil Speech Disaster by Hero

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Wonder why they didn't put Bobby Jindal out there again for the neo-cons' rebuttal. I love watching him describe things with the wide-eyed wonder of Kenneth from '30 Rock', or a dull three-year-old.

"When I was just a little boy..."

"Fixed on the front of his Fassbinder face
Was the kind of a smile
That only a rather dull child could have drawn
While attempting a graveyard in the moonlight."
- Roger Waters

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 4:53 AM

BYTEMITE

Pretty much, though we really do need to have a closer look at the other platforms and their EIS and response plans, since the same regulators probably approved them, and were probably inspected by the same people as well.

That might not necessitate a complete halt or moratorium for the "innocent" companies, but the investigation needs to happen, regardless of company, because they all use similar methodology and many of the platforms have multiple associations during the history of their construction.

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:14 AM

Oh noes, Byte! What about the jobs?

I guess it never occurred to "Hero" here that those guys are going to have plenty of work for the foreseeable future, just cleaning up their mess.

Hell, he's such a corporatist toady that I'm actually a little bit surprised he hasn't touted all the GOOD things about the spill, such as the likely job growth in environmental jobs...

But that will be their next talking point. "BP creates 40,000 new environmental jobs!"

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:29 AM

I've heard it would cost the gulf states 40,000 jobs. I also will predict that his reactionary policies will knock HIS economy further into the abyss. This guy is on the fast track to being remembered as the worst president we have ever had. With Carter and Bush as competition that says a lot. But, what did we expect from a community activist playing president? Has he called BP's CEO yet?

That this guy ran with transparency being a huge part of his appeal... is hilarious. Just ask any White-house reporter this administration gives minimal access. The first Oval office address in 17 months...laughable.

If you voted for this clown...you have to feel conned. In-fact they should take away your right to vote. Our children thank you for the bills...

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:41 AM

BYTEMITE

Seeing what the last handful of Presidents have done, I've been put off from voting at all. Seems like no matter who you vote for, it's the wrong choice.

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:56 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh noes, Byte! What about the jobs?

I guess it never occurred to "Hero" here that those guys are going to have plenty of work for the foreseeable future, just cleaning up their mess.

Hell, he's such a corporatist toady that I'm actually a little bit surprised he hasn't touted all the GOOD things about the spill, such as the likely job growth in environmental jobs...

But that will be their next talking point. "BP creates 40,000 new environmental jobs!"

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

Do you really believe there will be net job growth? I don't see how that's possible. But, I am a realist and you are not, you are an ideologue . Next you'll be telling me Obama's claim that we can keep our health insurance policies wasn't a lie. How is the cool-aid?

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:02 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

"He spent much of the speech talking about the massive, top priority day-one response that has completely stopped the leak and contained all the spill."

I missed this part of the speech, and I haven't found it yet.

"Then the moritorium on drilling. 20,000 jobs on hold. Huge amounts of oil out of the market stream. If BP were the only driller this would make sense. But your talking about many companies, all of whom have large, near perfect records. Its like shutting down all the automakers because Toyota had gas pedal problems. These other companies did nothing wrong, nobody is accusing them of doing anything wrong, yet they and tens of thousands of workers are being punished."

I think that the moratorium is a good idea. Not only is there no capacity to respond to another accident, but the mineral watchdog group has been found to be utterly ineffective. Nobody knows what shape the other rigs are really in. Time must be taken to find out how bad things really are before we continue.

"Oh, and BP is being "told" to give the White House billions and they'll manage the claims. It might have been a good idea to talk to them first. They can simply say "no" and there is nothing Obama can do. Nothing. He can't nationalize them or simply seize the assets because of the pesky Constitution. So lets hope they go along because he's screwed."

I'm fairly certain that the president can apply the necessary leverage to assure compliance. But it is thoughtful of you to be concerned about him.

"Say they do go along. "Here's $20 billion." Then what. If the claims process is bad, its on us. Suppose he spends the money on other things and BP wont pay anything else. I can't imagine BP would simply hand over billions without some kind of waiver of future claims."

I think the escrow account is just a place to put their money until claims are paid. The account itself is only a holding bucket. They get it back if they don't need it all, and they can be asked to pay more if their liability says so. I haven't heard about their liability being limited to the size of the escrow. If that were the case, I'd be awfully upset.

"Cap n Trade. Clearly we need it"

I'm not sure how that applies or helps?

"Its a huge attack on Big Coal...and nobody is more responsible for this spill then West Virginia coal miners."

The coal mining companies are free to invest in alternative energy, as are all energy companies. Don't forget that BP itself claimed to have such investments on its agenda. Alternative energy is an 'attack' on no one, and a 'defense' for all of us.

I think some of your other complaints and observations have some real merit, and I can't disagree with them.

--Anthony

"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor

"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:58 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Update: The escrow is a done deal. One less thing to worry about. He did what he said he'd do in that regard. I suspect it was largely negotiated beforehand, honestly.

Now we can worry about how it will be administered.

--Anthony

"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor

"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:17 AM

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Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh noes, Byte! What about the jobs?

I guess it never occurred to "Hero" here that those guys are going to have plenty of work for the foreseeable future, just cleaning up their mess.

Hell, he's such a corporatist toady that I'm actually a little bit surprised he hasn't touted all the GOOD things about the spill, such as the likely job growth in environmental jobs...

But that will be their next talking point. "BP creates 40,000 new environmental jobs!"

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

Do you really believe there will be net job growth? I don't see how that's possible. But, I am a realist and you are not, you are an ideologue . Next you'll be telling me Obama's claim that we can keep our health insurance policies wasn't a lie. How is the cool-aid?

I didn't say there would be "net job growth". I said I expected BP to claim that it had created environmental jobs. And they'll no doubt completely forget to mention any of the fishing industry jobs lost for the next few generations...

I had hopes that you'd be smart enough to get that joke. I seem to have overestimated you. It won't happen again.

By the way, I still have MY health insurance policy. Should I have turned that in or something? I may have missed a memo. Can you maybe show me the press release where it was announced that private insurance policies were now null, void, and outlawed?

You seem to have drunk often, and deeply, from the tea-bag flavored Kool-Aid.

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:30 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I think the escrow account is just a place to put their money until claims are paid. The account itself is only a holding bucket. They get it back if they don't need it all, and they can be asked to pay more if their liability says so. I haven't heard about their liability being limited to the size of the escrow. If that were the case, I'd be awfully upset.

You have not heard of it yet because they have only made the deal this morning. The details will trickle out.

By law their total liability for compensation, not cleanup, is $75 million. Million, not billion. They can change the law, but the Constitution wont allow them the make changes retroactive.

The $20 billion is a voluntary contribution. I cannot imagine they agreed to that number without an agreement to set that as the absolute cap. Their leverage is the threat of bankruptsy. The President's leverage is...well he can say more bad things about them.

And why blame BP for all the $20 billion? They didn't even own the rig.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I find those statements amazing. I said I found your remarks 'amazing'" Niki2, 2010.

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:36 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh noes, Byte! What about the jobs?

I guess it never occurred to "Hero" here that those guys are going to have plenty of work for the foreseeable future, just cleaning up their mess.

Hell, he's such a corporatist toady that I'm actually a little bit surprised he hasn't touted all the GOOD things about the spill, such as the likely job growth in environmental jobs...

But that will be their next talking point. "BP creates 40,000 new environmental jobs!"

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

Do you really believe there will be net job growth? I don't see how that's possible. But, I am a realist and you are not, you are an ideologue . Next you'll be telling me Obama's claim that we can keep our health insurance policies wasn't a lie. How is the cool-aid?

I didn't say there would be "net job growth". I said I expected BP to claim that it had created environmental jobs. And they'll no doubt completely forget to mention any of the fishing industry jobs lost for the next few generations...

I had hopes that you'd be smart enough to get that joke. I seem to have overestimated you. It won't happen again.

By the way, I still have MY health insurance policy. Should I have turned that in or something? I may have missed a memo. Can you maybe show me the press release where it was announced that private insurance policies were now null, void, and outlawed?

You seem to have drunk often, and deeply, from the tea-bag flavored Kool-Aid.

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

Just wait a bit. You could google it. The study just came out. It will allow employers to dump their insurance placing you in the exchange pools...look it up genius. So, when he said YOU COULD keep your insurance, he was technically correct, however in the real world he is wrong. But, he knew that. sorry you didn't. start here dumbass

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/you_re_losing_your
_plan_O2H1EFmYlHSoQmqp48uDHI

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:41 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

There may be more people at fault, but my understanding is that BP was in charge of the thing.

I think BP was wise to pony up the 20 billion, because there are crippling things that can be done to BP that have nothing to do with retroactive laws.

As it is, 20 Billion, even 100 Billion, isn't much to these blokes. They can eat it, and have room for dessert.

They can survive this incident just fine. Better than the gulf will, even. Bankruptcy isn't an attractive option for them because their business is that damn lucrative and profitable.

--Anthony

"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor

"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:43 AM

So my employer couldn't cancel my insurance before?

You said this was OBAMA's problem. How is it the President's fault if your employer dumps your insurance? Hell, I've seen employers dump their insurance without telling employees about it, AND while still taking money out of the employees' payroll to help pay for the insurance they weren't getting. But that was under Bush, so I guess that makes it all his fault, right?

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:47 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

My employer dumped my insurance. Now I'm on crummier, more expensive insurance.

This happened before all the new insurance legislation.

--Anthony

"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor

"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:17 AM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

My employer dumped my insurance. Now I'm on crummier, more expensive insurance.

This happened before all the new insurance legislation.

--Anthony

"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor

"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma

That god-damned Obama did this, didn't he?

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:21 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

"That god-damned Obama did this, didn't he?"

Hello,

No, I think it's been SOP for a while. Someone offered them a cheaper deal, and they dumped the old insurance, and dumped the new one on us.

I used to get my labwork for free. Now I have to pay a percentage. Makes me afraid to even check if something's wrong with me. When your insurance makes you go, "Oh, Thank goodness something's wrong, else I'd have wasted all that money on tests" then the system isn't working.

It's worse that I have a thyroid condition that requires regular testing just to keep getting my meds. So they've got me good, not just for the medicine, but for the tests to get the medicine. I feel like I'm in a vice.

--Anthony

"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor

"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

My employer dumped my insurance. Now I'm on crummier, more expensive insurance.

This happened before all the new insurance legislation.

--Anthony

"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor

"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma

That god-damned Obama did this, didn't he?

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

No. However, like I said these regulations and guidelines are going to force many more employers to dump their employees plan. That is fact. And that will be the result of Obama's agenda...Deal with it. Or don't.

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:46 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Many have commented on just how small and childlike Obama looks sitting behind that desk, in the Oval Office.

The community activist is out of place, out of his element, and running out of time.

“We will not rest until this well is shut, the environment is repaired and the cleanup is complete.”

- Barack Hussein Obama

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Wednesday, June 16, 2010 10:17 AM