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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:40 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/09/news/economy/social_security_value.for
tune/index.htm


Hello,

So, Social Security has no money. I know this, and still get depressed when I read about it.

--Anthony


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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:55 PM

CHRISISALL


I knew I was paying into a system that would not pay me back. No need for an economics course on that one.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Bush tried, Congress hide...d.






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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:08 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh yeah, then we could have put our $$ into the stock market and earned -35%. Good deal!

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:48 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Not so fast...

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20100808,0,1359956.colum
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The old age and disability trust funds, which hold the system's surplus, grew in 2009 by $122 billion, to $2.5 trillion. The program paid out $675 billion to 53 million beneficiaries — men, women and children — with administrative costs of 0.9% of expenditures. For all you privatization advocates out there, you'd be lucky to find a retirement and insurance plan of this complexity with an administrative fee less than five or 10 times that ratio.

This year and next, the program's costs will exceed its take from the payroll tax and income tax on benefits. That's an artifact of the recession, and it's expected to reverse from 2012 through 2014. The difference is covered by the program's other income source — interest on the Treasury bonds in the Social Security trust fund.

That brings us back to this supposed $41-billion "shortfall," which exists only if you decide not to count interest due of about $118 billion.

And that, in turn, leads us to the convoluted subject of the trust fund, which for some two decades has been the prime target of the crowd trying to bamboozle Americans into thinking Social Security is insolvent, bankrupt, broke — pick any term you wish, because they're all wrong. The trust fund is the mechanism by which baby boomers have pre-funded their own (OK, our own) retirements. When tax receipts fall short, its bonds are redeemed by the government to cover the gap.

Despite what Social Security's enemies love to claim, the trust fund is not a myth, it's not mere paper. It's real money, and it represents the savings of every worker paying into the system today. So I'm going to train a microscope on it.




Oddly, while the idle rich whine and pule about wanting to be taxed "fairly" on their income, they don't utter a peep about the fact that their Social Security Income tax is capped at $106,800. Yup, every penny over $106,800 per year is not subject to the Social Security payroll tax at all. So if you make $106,800 a year, your payroll tax is 6.2%; if you make $213,600 per year, your payroll tax is 3.1% (6.2% on $106,800, 0% on every cent after that). And if you make $21,000,000 per year, your social security tax is 6.2% of $106,800.

Again, NOBODY making over $106,000 per year wants you to know this, and they sure as hell don't want the playing field leveled. Level the payroll tax and make it the same for everybody, and Social Security need never have to worry about another dime. Well, not as long as you can keep Republicans from raiding it to fund more tax cuts to the wealthiest 2%, that is...

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Most Americans pay more payroll tax than income tax. Not until you pull in $200,000 or more, which puts you among roughly the top 5% of income-earners, are you likely to pay more in income tax than payroll tax. One reason is that the income taxed for Social Security is capped — this year, at $106,800. (My payroll and income tax figures come from the Brookings Institution, and the income distribution statistics come from the U.S. Census Bureau.)

Since 1983, the money from all payroll taxpayers has been building up the Social Security surplus, swelling the trust fund. What's happened to the money? It's been borrowed by the federal government and spent on federal programs — housing, stimulus, war and a big income tax cut for the richest Americans, enacted under President George W. Bush in 2001.

In other words, money from the taxpayers at the lower end of the income scale has been spent to help out those at the higher end. That transfer — that loan, to characterize it accurately — is represented by the Treasury bonds held by the trust fund.



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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:37 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello Mike,

I think the reason people worry about Social Security insolvency is because when the IOU's come due, no one trusts the government to be able to make good on those promises.

Those bills are only real money if someone can really make good on them.

There doesn't appear to be any real money to do that with, so it's either repayment with created money or more promises to pay.

So if they can only pay by stealing or lying, that doesn't count, does it?

Perhaps I'm confused on the particulars?

--Anthony



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