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Evolution of Compromise
Monday, December 6, 2010 4:00 AM
DREAMTROVE
Monday, December 6, 2010 4:15 AM
CANTTAKESKY
Monday, December 6, 2010 4:27 AM
FIVVER
Monday, December 6, 2010 4:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by fivver: You would get your full paycheck and then every month, just like you do for your mortgage, utilities, etc., you would have to write checks to the IRS for your income, social security and medicare taxes. Also checks for whatever state and local taxes you owe.
Monday, December 6, 2010 5:26 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Monday, December 6, 2010 7:24 AM
Monday, December 6, 2010 7:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Hello, You can't ask poor people and people with bad credit to write checks. They may not have checking accounts, and if they have to purchase money orders, they'd be effectively fined for paying taxes. This would create a burden on the lower class disproportionate to the burden on the middle class or the wealthy. --Anthony
Monday, December 6, 2010 7:42 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Also, probably up for grabs would be your notion of what a revolution would consist of. At the very least, people here want change. I haven't seen anyone who is 100% happy with the state of affairs.
Monday, December 6, 2010 7:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: In order for your scenario to make sense, first, the homeless would actually have to owe taxes. It's highly unlikely, since it starts out with about 11,000 in deductibles. There's no way that those who did not earn 11,000 do not have a checking account, and wouldn't be able to set one up for free.
Monday, December 6, 2010 7:50 AM
Monday, December 6, 2010 8:20 AM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Monday, December 6, 2010 8:31 AM
Monday, December 6, 2010 8:42 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Say we have a revolution, and we have relatively little in common on political viewpoints, other than a common enemy. I think that many of us would agree on the problems, but not all, and few of us would agree on solutions.
Monday, December 6, 2010 9:03 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Monday, December 6, 2010 9:28 AM
Monday, December 6, 2010 9:36 AM
Monday, December 6, 2010 9:38 AM
Monday, December 6, 2010 10:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Geezer 1) Big govt. is based on money. If you reduce the money, you reduce govt. Anyway, it could be done by paypal.
Quote:2) I'm dubious of much of the progress, or the idea that revolutions move in the wrong direction. Outside of communist revolutions, I think they do okay.
Monday, December 6, 2010 11:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Hero I take it that you're opting out unconditionally.
Monday, December 6, 2010 11:37 AM
Monday, December 6, 2010 11:42 AM
Monday, December 6, 2010 12:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: You can't ask poor people and people with bad credit to write checks.
Monday, December 6, 2010 1:23 PM
Monday, December 6, 2010 1:33 PM
Monday, December 6, 2010 3:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: With free tax payment I'll vote YES on Proposition Pay the Government Yourself.
Quote:Proposition Representative Participation:
Quote:Sunrise, Sunset Clause
Quote:Budgetary Participation
Monday, December 6, 2010 3:58 PM
Monday, December 6, 2010 4:07 PM
Monday, December 6, 2010 4:08 PM
Monday, December 6, 2010 4:13 PM
Monday, December 6, 2010 5:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by canttakesky: That's just logistics. You can have Tax Payment Centers where people can pay with cash. Just like the power bill.
Monday, December 6, 2010 5:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: You may be philosophically wedded to the idea of the evil fat-cat government running out of money and shutting down, but the folks who rely on SSA, Medicare, food stamps, AFDC, etc. are gonna suffer if it happens.
Monday, December 6, 2010 5:46 PM
Quote: As good a place to vote as any, though we do need to make sure that even the least popular departments receive some level of funding, if only so that they have the resources needed to dismantle themselves.
Monday, December 6, 2010 6:01 PM
Monday, December 6, 2010 6:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by canttakesky: Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: You may be philosophically wedded to the idea of the evil fat-cat government running out of money and shutting down, but the folks who rely on SSA, Medicare, food stamps, AFDC, etc. are gonna suffer if it happens.If this happens, hopefully all those suffering people will fight harder to cut wars, military welfare, and corporate welfare before SSA, Medicare, food stamps, and AFDC are cut. If indeed the budget does decrease because of changing tax collection methods, it will force the govt, and citizens, to prioritize. This is good. The point is, private employers should not be conscripted to serve as tax collectors. This is an outdated convenience left over from WWII that should have had its sunset decades ago. --Can't Take (my gorram) Sky
Monday, December 6, 2010 6:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: A lot of countries, particularly in Africa, would benefit heavily from this proposal if it were internationalized, since they are often robbed of natural resources without proper compensation. I figure my half is for "if it's valuable, half the value is still more than enough to pay for the mining of the raw resource.
Monday, December 6, 2010 6:31 PM
Monday, December 6, 2010 8:09 PM
Tuesday, December 7, 2010 12:54 AM
Tuesday, December 7, 2010 4:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by canttakesky: If this happens, hopefully all those suffering people will fight harder to cut wars, military welfare, and corporate welfare before SSA, Medicare, food stamps, and AFDC are cut.
Quote:If indeed the budget does decrease because of changing tax collection methods, it will force the govt, and citizens, to prioritize. This is good.
Quote:The point is, private employers should not be conscripted to serve as tax collectors. This is an outdated convenience left over from WWII that should have had its sunset decades ago.
Tuesday, December 7, 2010 4:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Geezer What if taxes were actually optional? You could pay them or not, but if you didn't then you wouldn't have access to certain things. I don't mean social services, I mean like corporations. Maybe you wouldn't be allowed to participate in a corporate scheme if you didn't pay taxes, or if the bank didn't.
Tuesday, December 7, 2010 4:47 AM
Tuesday, December 7, 2010 4:48 AM
Tuesday, December 7, 2010 4:52 AM
Tuesday, December 7, 2010 7:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Geezer I gotta go with CTS on this one. I don't think she's the one dealing out the fear here. You're painting a catastrophic picture if we remove the NWO, and the poor as helpless and voiceless in the process.
Quote:The poor care a lot, and while we work hard, we have more energy to fight this thing, because we're occasionally unemployed. Don't put your views on the populous either. Clearly, if there were a split here, some of them would go with CTS on this one.
Quote:Myself, I don't see this fed. govt. as a system of mutual benefit. It seems to be a detriment to all. I think it would be a tougher argument on state govt. Certainly I can't be worried about what happens to TPTB as a result of our actions. Should the govt. fall into chaos. I'll probably just grab some popcorn.
Quote:More people die in street violence in the US each year than do in most wartorn countries.
Tuesday, December 7, 2010 7:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Not sure I could support a platform where you eat popcorn while the most needy die because you've destroyed the infrastructure that supports them.
Tuesday, December 7, 2010 7:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Geezer has veto power,...
Tuesday, December 7, 2010 8:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Probably not. They'll be too busy trying to get heating for their homes, food for their tables, and healthcare for their sick to do that stuff.
Tuesday, December 7, 2010 8:08 AM
Tuesday, December 7, 2010 9:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: It is not Geezer's fault that he doesn't agree.
Tuesday, December 7, 2010 10:24 AM
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