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Fish save dog

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 6:17 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




Things are returning to normal for Turbo and his family.

His “mother” Cindy Burnett is back working at the Little Caesar’s on Marco Island, which she and her husband Andy own. His “brothers,” Stephen, 19, and Jordan, 17, are being sure to tell their friends to shut the gate when they come over. And Turbo’s actual sister — littermate, in fact — Porsche, also an 11-year-old Doberman, is relieved to have her buddy back.

No one is more relieved than Cindy, though.

“We thought he was gone,” she said. “I was out till 2 a.m. Monday morning looking for him.”

Turbo was found, after being missing for more than 15 hours, in a canal several streets away from the family home on Dogwood Drive. Burnett and the unnamed woman who saw him in the canal and called 911 credit dolphins in the canal with Turbo’s rescue.

“She heard a big commotion from the dolphins in the canal, and went out to see why they were so excited,” said Burnett. “That’s when she saw Turbo.”

She believes the Doberman spent the entire night in the canal, after going through an unlocked gate around 8 the previous evening. Burnett said her neighbor, after placing the 911 call, climbed down into the canal herself to help get Turbo out.

“She actually got into the water to help him. She said he seemed very friendly, and very exhausted,” said Burnett.

Alerted by the Marco Island Police Department, Burnett arrived minutes later, to find her dog scratched up, dehydrated and shivering uncontrollably.

“It’s a miracle — it was meant to be,” said Burnett.

She said Turbo found a shallow spot where, with the tide out, he was able to stand in two and a half feet of water, so he didn’t have to swim for the entire ordeal. Apart from cuts on his feet, scratches on his legs, once he was warmed up, said Burnett, he was fine.

“I worked as a veterinary assistant when I was in college, so I’d seen things like this,” said Burnett. “I gave him some unflavored Pedialyte, and kept an eye on him.”

She added that Turbo, along with his sister, get regular food treats from the family’s pizza business, and the “pupperoni” also helped him feel better.

Burnett was full of praise for the response of the law enforcement agencies that helped get her dog back.

“I hoped someone would find him. I called the Humane Society to report him missing, but because it was a holiday, I got a recording.”

As instructed, she called the Collier County Sheriff’s Office, where “this awesome rep listened to my story,” Burnett said. Within 30 minutes, she received a call that Turbo had been found.

“Officer Williams was so good,” she said of the police officer dispatched to the scene.

Marco Island Police Captain Dave Baer said that Sgt. George Williams, one of the department’s shift supervisors, has a soft spot in his heart for canines, as the owner of several dogs himself.

“I’m not surprised he was helpful. We’re happy we were able to help reunite them with their dog,” said Baer, but added that as there was no crime committed, no police report was filed.

Burnett said she went back to the home where the rescuers were to thank them several times, but no one was at home. The dolphins, though, have been spotted cruising up and down the canal.

Previously reported:

Some persistent dolphins are being credited with saving a dog that ran away on Marco Island. The dog's owner said he had been missing for 15 hours before the dolphins alerted neighbors.

Cindy Burnett, who lives off South Bahama Avenue on Marco, said her 11-year-old Doberman named Turbo disappeared late Sunday night after his gate was left open. And that's when Burnett and her sons went looking for him.

Fifteen hours later, dolphins got a neighbor's attention, alerting them to the stranded dog in the water.



http://www.nbc-2.com/global/Category.asp?c=170893&autoStart=true&topVi
deoCatNo=default&clipId=5599467


http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2011/feb/24/dolphins-save-tired-dog-stu
ck-canal-marco-island/?cid=Facebook%3Fcid%3DFacebook


http://theweek.com/article/index/212583/the-dolphins-that-helped-save-
a-lost-doberman


http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state/dolphins-come-to-aid-of-strand
ed-dog-1279234.html


http://www.examiner.com/dogs-in-national/dolphins-receive-credit-for-s
aving-lost-dog

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 7:53 AM

DREAMTROVE


Not strictly speaking a fish.

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 9:26 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Not strictly speaking a fish.



Actually, dolphin = fish...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahi-mahi

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:06 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Dolphins aren't fish, they're mammals. Anyone with half a brain knows that by now...which explains PN.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:50 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Actually, dolphin = fish...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahi-mahi




And on the very same article he linked...

"The mahi-mahi is not related to the Delphinidae family of mammals (whose common name is simply dolphin)."

I'd be more weirded out if I didn't know he's just trying to get thread traffic from people correcting him.

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 12:54 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I saw this on the news a few days ago, what a neat story, dolphins are very intelligent creatures.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 4:38 PM

DREAMTROVE


John,

Sorry, I didn't say "dolphin" did I? Your story is about a porpoise. He's actually descended from a dog, though what type of dog is up to debate. He may not in fact be at all related to modern dogs, and is perhaps related to an extinct doglike creature.

Dolphin, yes, is a fish, but what we commonly call dolphins are porpoises of various kinds, and they are mammals.

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 4:47 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


From what I've seen, and from my own personal experiences, dobermans are terrible swimmers. My Uma would TRY, but was awful at it, and would flail and sink.

Glad this dobie found a shallow place to stand, and glad to hear he's home safe.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 6:42 PM

DREAMTROVE


rotweillers too, but they make it.

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Thursday, March 3, 2011 7:36 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
John,

Sorry, I didn't say "dolphin" did I? Your story is about a porpoise. He's actually descended from a dog, though what type of dog is up to debate. He may not in fact be at all related to modern dogs, and is perhaps related to an extinct doglike creature.

Dolphin, yes, is a fish, but what we commonly call dolphins are porpoises of various kinds, and they are mammals.



From wiki

Dolphins are marine mammals that are closely related to whales and porpoises. There are almost forty species of dolphin in seventeen genera. They vary in size from 1.2 m (4 ft) and 40 kg (90 lb) (Maui's dolphin), up to 9.5 m (30 ft) and 10 tonnes (9.8 LT; 11 ST) (the orca or killer whale). They are found worldwide, mostly in the shallower seas of the continental shelves, and are carnivores, mostly eating fish and squid. The family Delphinidae is the largest in the Cetacean order, and evolved relatively recently, about ten million years ago, during the Miocene. Dolphins are among the most intelligent animals, and their often friendly appearance and seemingly playful attitude have made them popular in human culture.

and again from Wiki

Porpoises, along with whales and dolphins, are descendants of land-living ungulates (hoofed animals) that first entered the oceans around 50 million years ago. During the Miocene (23 to 5 MYA), mammals were fairly modern. The cetaceans diversified, and fossil evidence suggests that porpoises diverged from dolphins and other cetaceans around 15 MYA. The oldest fossils are known from the shallow seas around the north Pacific, with animals spreading to the European coasts and southern hemisphere only much later, during the Pliocene.[1]

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Friday, March 4, 2011 3:47 AM

DREAMTROVE


Magon,


Do you think I'm a moron?

It's a semantic argument. John is correct, a Dolphin is a fish. It's a word we also use to describe a variety of species of mammal.

The use that John was applying here is antiquated, but still in use, if that's not an oxymoron.

http://www.safmc.net/FishIDandRegs/FishGallery/DolphinFish/tabid/284/D
efault.aspx


But it doesn't apply to me, since I didn't say Dolphin, did I?

The modern usage is actually older and refers to a fish that gives birth, which is a reference to a porpoise, not a fish.

I see someone disputes that, but only minorly:
http://www.word-origins.com/definition/dolphin.html

I don't know when the confusion came in, possibly with this shape issue, but if you happen to see "Dolphin" on a menu, don't be alarmed, it's a fish.

ETA: Apply reason. If I'm suggesting that it is a double jointed aquatic dog chances are I know what a dolphin is. Assume John does also. I certainly did. But he took the dolphin from his video, which is clearly shown there, and didn't notice that I had not used the word. He thought he was being clever.

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Friday, March 4, 2011 6:47 AM

BYTEMITE


>_> Might be he's correct about the dolphin fish, but he's incorrect about what species saved the dog here, and probably not right about all dolphins being fish. It's almost certain that european sailors encountered the dolphin-mammal before the mahi-mahi, and were mistaken when they initially classified the dolphin-mammal as a fish.

But all three of you know this as well, which makes me wonder why we're having an argument about this.


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Friday, March 4, 2011 6:51 AM

THEHAPPYTRADER


I haven't had seafood in a while, mahi mahi sounds pretty good about now...

Just thought I'd post something as profound and thought provoking as this argument.

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Friday, March 4, 2011 7:07 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
>_> Might be he's correct about the dolphin fish, but he's incorrect about what species saved the dog here, and probably not right about all dolphins being fish. It's almost certain that european sailors encountered the dolphin-mammal before the mahi-mahi, and were mistaken when they initially classified the dolphin-mammal as a fish.

But all three of you know this as well, which makes me wonder why we're having an argument about this.



Byte, of course.

PN was being punchy, Magon was being arrogant, and I was being defensive. We're a flawed lot

Happy, pass the fish.

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Friday, March 4, 2011 7:26 AM

BYTEMITE


Sushi is delicious. Mercury, however, is concerning.

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Friday, March 4, 2011 7:27 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Sushi is delicious. Mercury, however, is concerning.



Nah, it's fearmongering, which is not like fishmongering, but if it reduces the demand for fish, that's a good thing.

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Friday, March 4, 2011 7:50 AM

BYTEMITE


Hmm, guess that's true. The mercury doesn't appear to harm the fish over-much at any rate, though bio accumulation in humans has been shown to be fairly dangerous.

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Friday, March 4, 2011 10:46 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Speakin of fish...

I wonder if Asian Carp is edible, well, obviously it's edible, but I wonder if deliberately overharvesting them as a food product might not be a good solution to the plethora of the bastards in the Great Lakes.
http://leisureblogs.chicagotribune.com/thestew/2010/01/carp-diem-asian
-carp-are-coming-lets-make-the-most-of-it.html


Given that attempts to deliberately wipe them out haven't done shit, as this author notes, why not make the best of it and eat the damn things ?

Of course, for those sport fishers out there, bear in mind they're friggin HUGE and from what I hear put up a hell of a fight, so that's two-fer-one, you ask me.

Then again, I am forbidden from "fishing" in the lake backed up against site three cause being of West Virginia descent, my idea of "fishing" involves a box of dynamite sticks and a pole net - fair play be damned, to ME hunting/fishing means FOOD COLLECTION, not entertainment.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, March 4, 2011 11:20 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Hmm, guess that's true. The mercury doesn't appear to harm the fish over-much at any rate, though bio accumulation in humans has been shown to be fairly dangerous.



Mercury poisoning causes brain damage. If fish were stupid, which is to say, more stupid than normal, would you notice?


ETA: Frem, interesting idea. Eat the invasive species. It's kinda a variation on "introduce a predator"

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Friday, March 4, 2011 2:11 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

If fish were stupid, which is to say, more stupid than normal, would you notice?


Mentally they're like plants with controlled mobility.

In any case, for whatever reason, people eating less fish: good.

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Friday, March 4, 2011 2:55 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Magon,


Do you think I'm a moron?



Ahem.

Actually, I thought PN was being a moron, and you were presenting misinformation as fact, as you often do.




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Friday, March 4, 2011 4:01 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Speakin of fish...

I wonder if Asian Carp is edible, well, obviously it's edible, but I wonder if deliberately overharvesting them as a food product might not be a good solution to the plethora of the bastards in the Great Lakes.
http://leisureblogs.chicagotribune.com/thestew/2010/01/carp-diem-asian
-carp-are-coming-lets-make-the-most-of-it.html


Given that attempts to deliberately wipe them out haven't done shit, as this author notes, why not make the best of it and eat the damn things ?

Of course, for those sport fishers out there, bear in mind they're friggin HUGE and from what I hear put up a hell of a fight, so that's two-fer-one, you ask me.

Then again, I am forbidden from "fishing" in the lake backed up against site three cause being of West Virginia descent, my idea of "fishing" involves a box of dynamite sticks and a pole net - fair play be damned, to ME hunting/fishing means FOOD COLLECTION, not entertainment.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.



I think carp are a fairly unpleasant fish to eat, although they are widely eaten in Asia. Asian palettes seem to tolerate stuff that westerners find unpleasant, probably vice versa as well.

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Friday, March 4, 2011 5:44 PM

DREAMTROVE


Magon,

One way not to be a moron is to look things up. Of course, I didn't have to look it up, because I knew, but I looked it up to post it. Dolphin, the fish, is a fish. Dolphin, the porpoise, is a mammal.

PN's mistake was not his snark that Dolphin is a fish, which is true, but that I never said Dolphin, I referred to the porpoises in the video, making it a snark fail. Obviously, everyone knew that what people mean when they say dolphin is the porpoise. Unless it's on a menu, and then they mean the fish, also called mahi mahi, which two people here, at least, knew.

A total moron would have thought that Pirate News was right, because they would have never heard of marine mammals. Someone simply uninformed would think that he was wrong, because they had, but didn't know their fish. Someone who was informed would have have again known that Pirate News was right, because they did know both their mammals and their fish. Someone clever, like me, would know that he was, while correct, incorrect because I didn't say dolphin, now, did I?

There's a simple guide to not being uninformed, which is something I told Hero here years ago: It doesn't matter if *you're* sure of your facts, if someone else seems sure of the opposite: Look it up. The internet is your shortcut to not being uninformed.

Skipping the fact that two people posted the link already in the thread and two other people mentioned the fish in question, google dolphin fish and see what happens. Surprisingly, pages that show up do not tell you that a dolphin is not a fish (this is a good sign for humanity, because the assumption here is that everyone already knows that) Rather, lots of results tell you what a dolphin fish is, ie, mahi mahi, the Hawaiian name, which is used sometimes to clear up confusion.

However, if you are in a restaurant, you will see it as "Dolphin" and when you do, it's a fish. If you happen to be traveling stateside, or in the pacific, and see this, don't be alarmed, no one is serving you marine mammal. They are serving you mahi mahi, or dolphin, a fish.

I'm not spelling this out to be an ass, but just to encourage you in the future not to assume, even if you are sure. Hero was sure that the US had began free market relations with Japan after world war II, when in fact we had started such relations in 1855. Everyone on the forum who was not Hero already knew this. The result was he looked like a moron. That doesn't mean he was a moron, it meant that he didn't know this one detail of history, but, because he didn't look it up, because he was sure of himself, and didn't have enough doubt, or trust in the intelligence of others, he ended up looking like a moron in that thread. Don't let it happen to you.

Peace out.


Oh, and not to snark you on top of this, but I have to snark this, the above was not a snark, but this I can't let pass
Quote:

I think carp are a fairly unpleasant fish to eat, although they are widely eaten in Asia. Asian palettes seem to tolerate stuff that westerners find unpleasant, probably vice versa as well.


1. Don't criticize the taste of your prey. It's tacky.

2. WTF Mate? I mean, classic Australian stereotypes much? [/snark] Yeah, I know, Americans and Mexicans or Muslims is like Australians and Asians or Aborigines.

That said, there's a much simpler solution: When you eat less, your taste buds become more sensitive. The result is all food tastes good. It's a mechanism to keep you eating the right amount, but with our wonderful civilization, we've managed to short circuit it by adding lots of fat. Okay, so most of my family is now asian, so we eat various asian foods all the time, more often than western I suppose. I used to like western things like bacon double cheeseburgers. That was when I used to eat too much. Now I couldn't tolerate that. I like tofu, or mutter paneer, satee or spring rolls and egg drop soup. It used to seem eccentric to me, but now it's the sort of stuff I make at home.


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Friday, March 4, 2011 7:16 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

That said, there's a much simpler solution: When you eat less, your taste buds become more sensitive. The result is all food tastes good. It's a mechanism to keep you eating the right amount, but with our wonderful civilization, we've managed to short circuit it by adding lots of fat. Okay, so most of my family is now asian, so we eat various asian foods all the time, more often than western I suppose. I used to like western things like bacon double cheeseburgers. That was when I used to eat too much. Now I couldn't tolerate that. I like tofu, or mutter paneer, satee or spring rolls and egg drop soup. It used to seem eccentric to me, but now it's the sort of stuff I make at home.


no shit sherlock. and your point is?

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Friday, March 4, 2011 8:26 PM

BYTEMITE


I tell you what, I can handle Chinese and Japanese, but middle eastern food and Indian, particularly falafel and curry respectively make my stomach try to eat itself. I've tried, I really have. It may taste delicious but I regret it later.

I eat mexican more than anything else, mostly because of living in Utah, and because there's some good sources of protein and legumes in it. Tofu's good too though.

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Friday, March 4, 2011 10:28 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I love food, all food really, although I'm now back to being vegetarian again, my choices are a bit more limited. While Asia is one of my favourite travel destinations, I'm yet to be able to stomach eating dog. Durian is the other that tends to reflect cultural cuisine divides.

BTW Frem, apart from asian carp, we have our own variety, equally only paletable for the adventurous.

Murray Carp


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Saturday, March 5, 2011 1:37 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Well in truth I don't even LIKE fish, save for maybe, maybe Pollock (sp?) provided you cook it right, and I think Cod is absolutely disgusting while Tapila (sp?) has all the flavor of cardboard.

That said, imma DAMN good chef if I put my mind to it, and I am pretty sure I can figure a way to make it palatable - hell, deep fry it and sell it to Georgia...

Um, that's an American in-joke Magons, if there's ANYTHING american hillbillies *can't* deep fry, it ain't been discovered yet!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/7973944/Deep-
fried-beer-invented-in-Texas.html


Beside which, if you're hungry enough, you tend to be less picky (hell, I've "eaten" tree bark before!), and there's a damn lotta hungry people in this country, even though there shouldn't be.

Now just to get my hands on some carp to experiment with, but given the size of them beasties I wonder if dynamite would be enough.

Anyone know where I can get some surplus depth charges ?


-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, March 5, 2011 1:50 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Ha. The Scottish were the worst for deep frying that I ever came across. Deep fried pizza. Arrrggghhh. I kid you not.

I haven't heard of those kinds of fish, except for cod. Favoured here is shark. You heard it. We call it flake when we eat it, and shark when it eats us. The wondrous cycle of life.

I think I'll give carp a miss. I have a memory of a lake where the carp had died (been poisoned?) and the smell remains with me to this day.

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Saturday, March 5, 2011 3:37 AM

DREAMTROVE


Magon

Just curious where you were served dog.


Frem

The availability of Tilapia seems to have increased dramatically since the BP oil spill ;)

Pollock is being overfished to an extreme degree, though it's a populous species, it's down about 90% in total numbers.

Texas a little south for hill billies, what with the hills and all.

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Saturday, March 5, 2011 5:17 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Back to the title: NOT a fish. PN should know better. But this isn't the first time he's titled a post completely erroneously. For example "Wisconsin teachers make $300,000 to $400,000" ignoring the facts that (1) Not a single posted figure even came close to $300,000 and (2) none of them were teachers.

John is loose in the head. Or he's a terrible propagandist, because he shoots himself in the foot time and time again. His posts don't have much in them worth learning from, or even debating. I tolerate him because he's not a malicious troll like Kaneman, and I have a soft spot in my heart for peeps who're cognitively dysfunctional. But that's about all his posts are worth. IMHO.

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Saturday, March 5, 2011 5:33 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Oh, we've got hilbillies, DT. We call them cedar-choppers, rednecks, or just "Texans". ;)

We even have "hills". Kind of where the Texas "Hill Country" gets its name.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, March 5, 2011 5:34 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Isn't Tilapia pretty much just another kind of carp, given a more trendy name?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, March 5, 2011 5:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Tilapia is not a carp, but its a farmed fish that tolerates warm temperatures. Hence, cheap to raise: Tolerates shallow aquaculture ponds in warm climates. Originally from Mideast bodies of fresh water. All tilapia sold in American stores are farmed.

Carp: Cyprinidae
Tilapia: Cichlid

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Saturday, March 5, 2011 6:13 AM

BYTEMITE


mmm,shark. Swordfsh is also good, as is mackerel, and sea bass. I'm very partial to the salty fish. Like Frem says, everything else does seem tasteless to me, particularly when it's cooked. When it's NOT cooked, there's a lot more flavour, but I still prefer the salty stuff.

I've never encountered deep-frying in Scotland. They seem mostly like a meat, whiskey, and potatoes people, though maybe there's some deep-frying fad I'm not aware of.

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Saturday, March 5, 2011 6:31 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Back to the title: NOT a fish.



Oh, right. Sorry. I forget to read headers. I thought Magon was ranting about his post in the middle that Dolphin was a fish, which it is, but not the dolphin in question, which is a mammal. But the heading is inaccurate. I think PN knows that, he was just playing on "Man bites Dog" "Dog bytes Man" etc.

There's tilapia fishing in the gulf, hence its appearance in cajun dishes, I don't know how much of ours is farmed. I know it's farmed heavily in China. 90% of chinese fish are farmed, but 10% of chinese fish consumption still makes IIRC, most of the world's fish consumption.

Huh, doesn't look like a cichlid, but I see you are correct.

Mike, west texas? I didn't know there were people in west texas ;) Got some big hills there. Some big billies too

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Saturday, March 5, 2011 10:19 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Magon

Just curious where you were served dog.





I've never been served dog. But it is widely available in SE Asia, especially Vietnam. The dogs, or puppies, they serve aren't your standard pet variety. They are farmed for their meat and I believe they are grain.milk fed before being slaughtered quite young.

Meh, eating flesh is eating flesh. I tend not to do it anymore. Calves have such lovely big brown trusting eyes.

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Saturday, March 5, 2011 3:11 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Calling it a “dolphin fish” was the common name given to that particular FISH in that area. It's scientific name is "Lagenorhynchus Obliquidens", and in other languages it is known as lampuga, lampuka, rakingo, calitos, maverikos, dorado. It's not even called "Dolphin Fish" much any more; it started getting popular and upset people so the Hawaiian name was adopted.

Your assumptions sometimes surprise me, DT, in that
Quote:

Of course, I didn't have to look it up, because I knew
That’s an assumption you seem to make on nearly everything, and yes, it bothers me; it ‘feels’ arrogant. For example, you said of dolphins “He's actually descended from a dog, though what type of dog is up to debate. He may not in fact be at all related to modern dogs, and is perhaps related to an extinct doglike creature.” That doesn’t fit with what Magons found on Wiki:
Quote:

Porpoises, along with whales and dolphins, are descendants of land-living ungulates (hoofed animals)
or with what I found:
Quote:

Dolphins, along with whales and porpoises, are descendants of terrestrial mammals, most likely of the Artiodactyl order. Various hoofed mammals of the order Artiodactyla, include cattle, deer, camels, hippopotamuses, sheep, and goats.Porpoises and dolphins are both kinds of toothed whales.
The earliest whale like creature was an animal called Pakicetus, which was dog SIZED and had somewhat of a dog-like APPEARANCE, but wasn’t related to dogs in any way I can find.


Perhaps that's what you were thinking of. Okay, so you changed it to "dog LIKE", but "actually descended from a dog", is a misstatement, especially as the order are comprised of HOOFED animals.

An animal called ambilocetus descended from Pakicetus. They evolved into a creature called rhodocetus which in turn evoolved into the first true whales Basilosaurus and Durodon. All modern whales evolved from the durodon line.

You also said “what we commonly call dolphins are porpoises of various kinds.“ I don’t find that to be true at all, porpoises and dolphins are completely different and I “commonly” hear them referred to by the two different nouns. The ancestors of the modern day dolphins entered the water roughly fifty million years ago; porpoises, on the other hand, diverged from dolphins and other cetaceans around 15 million years ago. It’s statements like these which bother me. When you are so quick to tell others what they should and shouldn't do, yet put your own opinions forth as fact and avoid responding when called on something yourself by saying things like "IF I offended you...", you are exhibiting, in my opinion, hypocrisy. By the way, if you understand "never assume", perhaps you could stop doing so quite so much with US. Thank you.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Saturday, March 5, 2011 4:33 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Mmmmmm, fish! I love food that comes from the water, fresh or salt water. We call it Mahimahi at my house, I didn't even know it was called dolphin fish. I eat talapia, even though my dad has become wary of it lately, because those fish farms in Vietnam can be really unsanitary. I'll try any type of fish, so I'd be willing to give those carp a go Frem, though I hear the Great Lakes are really dirty, is this true?

The only kind of fish I won't eat is Orange Ruffy, I've had it twice and twice it has made me toss, so I don't eat that anymore, my dad suspects problematic farming practices in the Phillapines, where Trader Joe's gets its ruffy. But I'll eat any other fish, even plaise (sp) a fish that was widely eaten in Ireland when I was there, it had very little taste but I tollerated it, all their other fish was wonderful by the way, I love macaral and haddock, fish I hadn't had before since it really isn't available where I live.

Byte, I've told you what happens when I eat curry, haven't I? Lets just say I don't eat curry anymore. I used to be able to have it but then I had two seperate incidents where it made me violently ill, I felt like I was dying. So no more curry for me.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Saturday, March 5, 2011 4:50 PM

BYTEMITE


I know, right? I think it must be a matter of simply not being used to curry, but the process of getting used to it is a bigger learning curve than I think my system can handle.

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Saturday, March 5, 2011 5:48 PM

DREAMTROVE


Niki,

I said it was up to debate. I was at a conference a couple years back where it was hotly debated, all the available scientific evidence was supplied. None of this is news.

You may be right about dolphins and porpoises, we used to call dolphins and orcas subclass of porpoises in college, but taxonomy has changed a lot with genetics, and will change. Everything we know is wrong.

When I was in college, no one ever mentioned bonobo, and several professors told me "people used to think we were chimps, but now we know that we are orangutangs"

So, yes, I may be wrong, and am likely to be wrong again, and wrong today.

Does not change reality.


Riona,

Either an east-coast/west-coast thing, or a matter of times changing, I've only seen it as dolphin in the south, up north it doesn't appear at all. I can definitely see restaurants running out of customers who respond to "dolphin" on their menu in a world post the whole ecosensitivity thing.

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Saturday, March 5, 2011 7:55 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Byte, I used to be able to eat curry, I would have it a few times a year, usually curried catfish, yum. But then things went south and so no more curry for me, I don't know what went wrong, but now my body is allergic to it.

I had mahimahi the other night, my dad brought it home for dinner. It isn't my favorite fish but it was fine, maybe I'll like it more when I go to Hawaii in May, yay!!

And why the rut would a cow or a dog turn into a dolphin, yeah yeah, millions of years etc. ... just sayin.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Sunday, March 6, 2011 1:09 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Well, frankly, I find curry revolting myself, for many reasons, not that I could likely eat it anyways...
I haven't explicitly mentioned it very often, but I have a list of food sensitivies/reactions/allegies that's quite long, and working around that, especially on little or no money, is one of the REASONS I am such a damn good chef - if necessity is the mother of invention, then desperation is surely the father.

I dunno about "dirty", the few times I have been out to the great lakes they didn't look too bad, but you gotta remember I originally come from near the patapsco river just downstream from the hellhole that is the forgotten lands, and all those landfills, incinerators and refineries dump shit into it unhindered by even a pretense of inspections, resulting in "water" that's so effing toxic just walking through the vapors of it can make you sick.

The lake behind site three isn't polluted, but is a natural reservoir in the slow process of turning into a swamp, and the algae and whatnot tends to put people off - but hey, LIFE is a messy place, nature doesn't care about our sensibilities much, right ?
And apparently, from askin people around here, there's some monster carp to be had from it, I dunno if they're asian or not, maybe I should ask em for a green card when I haul em out, eh ?

Haven't decided on how to prepare it, but looks like I could maybe cut a large fillet steak out of it, and perhaps bake or broil with seasoning, if that doesn't work well, perhaps a suate with some lemon and pepperbreading - or a dip into some beer batter and fried, then served with wine vinegar perhaps.
I think a flake n bake is prolly the best way to go, but if I get the chance, I'll let ya know how it turns out.

Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Favoured here is shark. You heard it. We call it flake when we eat it, and shark when it eats us. The wondrous cycle of life.


*laughs*
Given you live in AUSTRALIA, where EVERYTHING from the plants on up is trying to poison, kill, or eat you, I can certainly see the logic in eating it right back!

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, March 6, 2011 12:55 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Given you live in AUSTRALIA, where EVERYTHING from the plants on up is trying to poison, kill, or eat you, I can certainly see the logic in eating it right back!

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.



Ha, well you know that WE are winning. We eat loads more of them than the other way around.

Re cooking carp, I found this which might be helpful

Instructions
things you'll need:

* 1 Lemon or Lime
* Lemon pepper
* Butter
* Bay leaves
* Thyme
* Basil
* Garlic rub
* Soy Sauce
* Roof shingle

1.Before beginning the cooking process - you must first prepare the fish. Slice the belly and remove the guts. Remove the head and fins. De-scale the entire fish. Now place the carp on the shingle and prepare it as follows.

2. Begin with the garlic rub. Fill the body cavity and rub the garlic rub into the skin as well. You just can't get enough garlic on a carp. Be sure to work the rub into both sides of the fish.

3.Now cover the fish in butter - really slather it on. Be sure to coat the inside as well as both top and bottom of the fish. Some extra butter on either side of the fish on the shingle is a good idea too.

4. Now sprinkle the seasonings on - lemon pepper, bay leaves, thyme, and basil. Don't hold back - in fact you may want to put on twice as much as you think it'll need. It is a carp after all.

5.Now place the shingle on a metal grating over an open fire. Whether in a barbeque grill or over a camp fire it doesn't really matter. The point is that you will need to cook this fish longer than you have ever cooked any other fish. Continue to put more butter on the fish as it cooks. After about a half hour turn the fish and, after re-positioning it on the shingle, re-apply all of the above ingredients once more.

6. After a full hour on the fire - remove the fish. Use a spatula - that shingle will be hot. Now sprinkle some of the soy sauce over the entire fish - and let it sit until it is cool enough to touch.

7. Now pick the fish up off the shingle, throw it away, and eat the shingle.

8.Seriously, carp are bottom-feeding, rough, garbage-fish. They're just not meant to be eaten.




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