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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:20 PM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:44 PM
BYTEMITE
Wednesday, August 17, 2011 5:03 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:18 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:46 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: I'm still waiting for the MI Supreme Court to get off their ass regarding a certain disputed point of law, which IMHO out not to even BE in dispute!
Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:58 PM
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Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: I understand where you are coming from, but I disagree. I think the logic behind this decision is solid. If the police make a mistake and enter you home illegally, they may very well think they have the right place. They believe that they are within there legal rights and that you are just resisting arrest. If you draw a weapon, chances are you are going to get shot. The error can always be sorted out later.
Quote: Three Atlanta Police Officers Sentenced for Planting Evidence and Killing a 92-Year-Old Grandmother in Botched Raid by Jonathan Turley attorney at law for Area 51 Three former Atlanta police officers have been sentenced to prison in one of the most disturbing recent cases of police abuse. Former officers — Jason Smith, Gregg Junnier and Arthur Tesler — were sentenced to ten to three years for their roles in the death of 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston. The officers were accused of an astonishing range of criminal acts leading to Johnson’s death. It began with the planting on drugs on a dealer named Fabian Sheats. They wanted to bust Sheats to help meet an informal quota for such arrests. When he came up clean, they planted pot that they had found earlier. They then forced him to give them an address of a house were they would buy drugs. Sheats appears to have randomly pointed out 933 Neal St., the home of Johnston, and told them to look for a guy named “Sam.” However, they could not find a snitch to buy the drugs and departmental rules prevented them from using Sheats. So, they fabricated information on a warrant and got approval for a “no knock” entry. Since took about two minutes to bust down the door on Johnston’s house and the old lady had time to grab a gun and fire once — wildly missing the officers. They responded with 39 bullets — hitting and killing Johnston five or six times — though strangely the police department could not tell which officer actually killed Johnston. The police fire also wounded Junnier and two other officers. When they did not find any drugs, the officers are accused of planting drugs on the house and claiming that they informant had purchased drugs at their request from the house. For the background on the case, click here. Smith, 36, of Oxford, Georgia, was sentenced to 10 years in federal prison. Junnier, 42, of Woodstock, Georgia, was sentenced to six years in federal prison. Tesler, 42, of Acworth, Georgia was sentenced to five years in federal prison. For the full story, click here and here and here. Do you want to know more? http://jonathanturley.org/2009/03/08/three-atlanta-police-officers-sentenced-for-planting-evidence-and-killing-a-92-year-old-grandmother-in-botched-raid/
Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Oh yeah ? Tell that to Salvatoe Culosi, or Eurie Stamps, or Jose Gurena... oh wait, you can't, cause they're dead, and the first two, mind you, were unarmed.
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: That "sort it out later" myth is as a deadly as "hand it over and they won't shoot you", it's a fallacy - cause at the point where they realize they're in the wrong, you are in their custody, under their power, and they have EVERY incentive to maintain that particular situation or cause you to have an "unfortunate accident", especially since most of the time the only 'consequence' is a paid vaction, or in especially dire circumstances being bumped from the department, which mind you usually results in them signing up with another one.
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma:Sort it out later presumes there will BE a later, and that is not very often the case, sadly - we must face the ugly realities of a situation before writing legislation based on wishful thinking of how things OUGHT to be.
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma:There's also that many cops ALWAYS believe they're "in the right" even when blatantly operating outside the law, deliberately, like a cop who tasers a suspect for nine minutes straight because he thinks they'll otherwise get off easy. (said suspect was innocent, but unfortunately too dead to exonerate)
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma:Yeah, if you draw a weapon, chances are you may get shot - but you may get shot anyway, ask the family of Aiyana Jones about that one. At some point you HAVE to acknowledge the right to resist, or you do not live in a free society. The question is whether to dismiss the pretense, or try to enforce it.
Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:07 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:20 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Friday, August 19, 2011 2:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: I'm siding with Frem on this one, in my city police shootings, as in the police shooting people, are really common and out of control because usually the shooting shouldn't have happened and it did because the police mishandled the situation. Sometimes the police need to shoot someone, but not very often and it happens way too much here and we're all sick of it. Part of the problem is their attitude, part of the problem is a lack of training and education on how to handle situations where mental health differences are a factor. I don't like Nick's attitude about this because as Frem said you can't sort it out later when the person has died.
Friday, August 19, 2011 3:11 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Friday, August 19, 2011 7:39 AM
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Friday, August 19, 2011 8:33 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I'm kinda wondering why the guy with the concealed-carry permit didn't blow the Ohio cop away who pulled him over. It would have been a pretty clear case of self-defense, since the cop is heard on his own dash-cam saying that he could put ten rounds in the driver without losing any sleep. And it turned out this wasn't the first time he'd made such threats to concealed-carry permit holders.
Friday, August 19, 2011 8:50 AM
Friday, August 19, 2011 11:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Maybe THEY need to think about it, before THEY start blowing folks away, or even arbitrarily threatening to. Quid. Pro. Quo. -Frem I do not serve the Blind God.
Friday, August 19, 2011 12:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: I'm siding with Frem on this one, in my city police shootings, as in the police shooting people, are really common and out of control because usually the shooting shouldn't have happened and it did because the police mishandled the situation. Sometimes the police need to shoot someone, but not very often and it happens way too much here and we're all sick of it. Part of the problem is their attitude, part of the problem is a lack of training and education on how to handle situations where mental health differences are a factor. I don't like Nick's attitude about this because as Frem said you can't sort it out later when the person has died. ...and people resisting and fighting the police is not going to change tactics, for the better, or get the police better training. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Friday, August 19, 2011 1:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Nick, I reject the notion that civil rights are just for show, and that actually enforcing them a waste of time, because that more than anything else is one of the greater enablers of tyranny to begin with.
Friday, August 19, 2011 1:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Nick, I reject the notion that civil rights are just for show, and that actually enforcing them a waste of time, because that more than anything else is one of the greater enablers of tyranny to begin with. I did not say it was a waste of time enforcing civil rights. I will ask again, how are you going to enforce a persons right to resist? If you can't enforce it, if that right does not change the results of situations, that right does not exist. So, how do you enforce that right? I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Friday, August 19, 2011 3:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Hello, I think if police officers meet resistance whenever they violate people's rights, they will want to avoid doing that. Moreso will they will want to avoid doing that if they are charged (as criminals are) with the deaths that occur as a result of their actions. Laws must work consistently and across the board in order for them to be respected. If a criminal enters my home illegally and shoots me down as I attempt to defend myself, he is charged with murder. If an officer does this, he should also be charged with murder. This will have a deterrent effect on the criminal. Whoever it is. --Anthony
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