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Shark Fins Banned in California

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 08:12
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Sunday, September 4, 2011 5:13 PM

ANTHONYT

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http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/09/04/california.shark.fin.ban/index.html?h
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Hello,

I do not agree with killing a shark just for the fin. There's a lot of useful material there, I'd think. Why be wasteful?

On the other hand, I do not agree with banning shark fins as a food product. Are sharks truly endangered? Are we running out of sharks?

I was under the impression that we had enough sharks, so I'm surprised to hear this concern.

--Anthony



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Monday, September 5, 2011 12:11 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Shark is actually very pleasant to eat. Aussies eats lots of em. Its revenge, I think. I suppose different species might be endangered. I'm pretty sure the one we eat, gummy shark is quite plentiful.



Nom nom nom.

Edit. Now having read the article, the practice is pretty gross. Seems they cut the fin off the shark and then throw the rest back in the water. Why not harvest the whole shark?

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Monday, September 5, 2011 3:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, thanx Anthony; this one has sickened me for years. Actually, Great Whites are VERY endangered, along with a few other shark species:
Quote:

They are known as one of the deadliest creatures on Earth.

But according to a shocking new study, great white sharks are also one of the most endangered.
Wildlife experts say there are now fewer than 3,500 great whites left in the oceans, making them rarer than tigers.

Yesterday, marine biologists called for an end to mankind's long battle with sharks and demanded urgent action to prevent them going extinct. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1252237/Great-White-Sha
rks-endangered-tigers-just-3-500-left-oceans.html#ixzz1X58MseRx
to the practice itself, it's been around for centuries in China and continues today at pretty hefty volume:
Quote:

It is considered a sign of respect to serve shark's fin to guests, and at a certain kind of Cantonese restaurant a grand dinner is barely conceivable without it or one of its sisters in luxury. It cannot be said that most people look forward to the inevitable bowl of shark's fin soup at a wedding banquet — it takes a skillful chef to make it taste like anything at all — but it is expected, like the double-happiness cakes and the red envelopes.

But there is no double happiness in the future of sharks.

As China's middle class continues to grow, the number of aficionados who can afford the delicacy is expanding. To meet accelerating demand, efficient new fishing boats have found ways to catch more sharks — way more sharks, many millions each year. And since there is a larger market for shark fins than for shark meat, some fisherman resort to "finning," a barbaric and wasteful practice in which the fins are hacked off live sharks, after which the bleeding, crippled animals are tossed back into the sea to drown. There is no sustainable source of shark's fin.

By the time a fin is dried, cleaned and sold at market, it is impossible, short of DNA testing, to determine whether it is from an endangered hammerhead or a merely threatened blue shark; from the U.S. coast, where finning is illegal, or from unregulated international waters. It is impossible, even with DNA testing, to tell whether a particular fin is a byproduct of fishing for shark meat, which is legal (although perhaps it shouldn't be), or from a pirate finning operation.

As important as shark's fin is to traditional Cantonese banquet cuisine, we have reached the point where some shark populations have been reduced to 10% of historical levels, and nearly a third of shark species are approaching the point of extinction.

We need sharks: As top-dog predators, they keep the ocean's ecosystems in balance. And we need to stop eating shark's fin, at least until shark populations have had a chance to recuperate. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/07/opinion/la-oe-gold-shark-fin-2
0110807
the legislation in California hasn't passed yet, as your article mentions, and may not (dammit):
Quote:

Hawaii, Oregon and Washington state have all enacted laws banning the sale, trade and distribution of shark's fin. In California, which controls an estimated 85% of the U.S. trade in the fins, a bill introduced by Assemblymen Paul Fong (D-Sunnyvale) and Jared Huffman (D-San Rafael) would prohibit the sale, consumption or trade of shark's fin. The California Shark Protection Act passed the Assembly, 65 to 8, in May but faces obstacles in the state Senate, where Sen. Ted Lieu (D-Torrance), a member of the Appropriations Committee, which will consider the bill Aug. 15, has said that the ban would unintentionally discriminate against Chinese Americans.
Sunnyvale and San Rafel are Northern California; Torrance is So. Ca., which pretty much says it all. "discriminate" my ass; money talks! Would be nice if they did it via capitalism, but by then many species might truly be extinct.

I hope the bill passes, given CA is the single largest importer of shark fin in the U.S. I'm sad to hear it's popular Down Under, Magons. We ALL need to come into the 21st century. Yes, that's exactly what's done in finning; the shark dies, but what a horrible way to go. It would be like chopping off your legs and leaving you to die, only you'd die faster from blood loss (I think) than a shark, which eventually drowns. It's unconscionable and makes me sick to think about. I urge you to envision that whenever you're tempted to order it.


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Monday, September 5, 2011 5:39 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I think Magons indicated that her shark meals are from a shark species more plentiful and more humanely harvested.

I am shocked to hear that the Great White shark is endangered.

--Anthony


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Monday, September 5, 2011 7:30 AM

NIKI2

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Sounded to me like she eats shark "meat", not shark fin, which is okay by me. I got no love for 'em, just hate to see anything tortured or endangered as a species.


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Monday, September 5, 2011 10:11 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Jeepers, ain't these folk never heard of waste not, want not ?

Speakin of, I *did* eventually find a method of making asian carp rather palatable, slice it a bit on the thin side and then texture it with a tenderizer while applying mild-hot seasoning* and pan fry in peanut oil - then serve with malt vinegar, chips (known as steak fries to us yanks) or wedges, and optionally hush puppies.
Goes down good with lager or ale, especially nice crisp ones, and since those beasties are pretty large you can get a lot of mileage out of each one, plus sparing some for the cats.

Filet mingon it ain't, but I'd still bet it even odds up against the over-battered crap they sell at Long John Silvers, so I call that a win.

-Frem
*Old Bay seems particularly effective, having been invented by chesapeake bay fishermen to begin with.

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Monday, September 5, 2011 11:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"Waste not, want not" means nothing. They only want the fins (they're the only part worth big money), and don't want to cart around carcases of complete sharks. Maximum profit = lightest load per gallon of fuel. They could at LEAST take a second to kill the sharks immediately, but I guess that's too much effort for the bastards.

When this is your haul:



Can you imagine how many sharks your boat would be loaded with? They kill approx. 38 million sharks a year, so that's a lot of sharks to haul around. By the way, they're illegal in Taiwan, too; Hong Kong has made a serious attempt to outlaw the trade for some time now, and the European Parliament voted to reduce the tolerance level for the maximum permissible percentage of shark landings that can be made up of fins from 5 percent down to 2 percent.

Sharks are slow to mature and slow to reproduce, so it's a double whammy when so many are killed, and the demand is still high among Chinese for "shark fin soup".


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Monday, September 5, 2011 12:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I swear, humans are weird. AFA I can tell, shark fin soup was a delicacy prized by emperors just b/c it was rare. It's not like it tastes all that great. Centuries later, people want it b/c emperors used to eat it and b/c it's expensive - and rare(r). Once they get closer to extinction it will be even more rare and more prized. Talk about conspicuous consumption - literally.


Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?

Yeah, me neither....

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Tuesday, September 6, 2011 7:38 PM

RIONAEIRE

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If something is endangered we probably shouldn't be eating it often. That's really yucky that they cut off the fin and leave the shark to die, that's mean and not right. If they want to eat shark then they need to kill it properly and take the carcus and see to it that its used, as Magon's said shark tastes good and people will eat it, more than just the fin. If California wants to have this law it is their choice and they should have it. So, if someone eats a whole shark is it against the law, or is it only against the law to have just the fin? If you've eaten the rest of the shark too, then are you allowed to have the fin as well?

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Wednesday, September 7, 2011 6:40 AM

THEHAPPYTRADER


I remember reading or maybe hearing some time ago that the majority of the shark is not edible because it urinates through its skin. Is that true? I'd look it up myself if I were near a computer rather than on a lunch break with the itouch.

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Wednesday, September 7, 2011 8:12 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Not really, some Sharks don't taste so good (Blue, for example) but a lot of that seems to come from poor processing technique as much as anything else.

I figure it this way, myself - anything which considers ME potential food is fair game to have the tables turned on it, although unless really desperate I draw the line at bugs....

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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