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Portable ammonia factories could fuel clean cars

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Monday, September 5, 2011 10:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Whatcha think? I don't know enough about this to have an opinion, so I thought I'd ask for some.
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FORGET hydrogen: ammonia could be the answer to developing an emissions-free fuel for cars.

Ammonia produces just nitrogen and water vapour when burned and, unlike hydrogen, it is relatively easy to store in liquid form. That means transporting ammonia will not require costly new infrastructure, says John Fleming of SilverEagles Energy in Lubbock, Texas.

Fleming and Tim Maxwell at Texas Tech University, also in Lubbock, are developing a system to produce ammonia that can be installed in filling stations. Powered by mains electricity, it first produces hydrogen from water using electrolysis, then combines it with nitrogen from the air to produce ammonia.

To achieve this, the researchers have adapted the Haber-Bosch process used to make ammonia industrially. Their version works on a small scale and can make ammonia fairly cheaply.

In their system, a piston rapidly compresses hydrogen and nitrogen, heating the gases to 400 °C. The mixture is fed into a chamber containing an iron oxide catalyst, which sparks a reaction that further heats the gases and generates ammonia. In a third chamber, the mixture decompresses and cools down to room temperature. As it does so, it pushes against another piston, from which mechanical energy is recovered and fed back to the compressor, significantly cutting the process's power consumption.

Finally, a heat pump cools the mixture down to around -75 °C, liquefying the ammonia for collection.

The team say the whole system could fit within a standard container and could therefore be transported by truck for installation at filling stations, where it could make between 4000 and 40,000 litres of ammonia per day. Maxwell adds that the system has a modular design, so it can easily be scaled up to produce more. The ammonia could be made for just 20 cents per litre, they claim.

Edman Tsang, a chemist at the University of Oxford, says that a mobile unit that can turn water and electricity from renewable energy sources into fuel ammonia would be useful in remote areas. Fleming and Maxwell are already working with the US army and air force, who have each expressed interest in using the technology on the battlefield.

However, Tsang is not convinced that the hydrogen needed to make ammonia can be produced economically using electrolysis. Fleming and Maxwell claim to have got round this hurdle, too (see "Hydrogen on the cheap").

Conventional cars can already make use of ammonia - they can run on a mixture that is 90 per cent gasoline and 10 per cent ammonia, says Fleming. So-called flexible-fuel vehicles, which use a mixture of gasoline and ethanol, could also be modified to run on a fuel that is up to 85 per cent ammonia. Such vehicles have sensors that constantly detect the exact proportion of gasoline and ethanol being fed through, and adjust their fuel injection and spark timing accordingly. To run on ammonia, the vehicles would need to be reprogrammed and equipped with a fuel tank capable of storing ammonia under pressure.

The team are also designing an engine that could run purely on ammonia. Called the Linear Electric Internal Combustion Engine, it is based on an existing design, known as a free piston engine, in which the burning air and ammonia mixture moves a piston forwards and backwards. This is used to drive a generator, the electricity from which powers a motor that turns the wheels.

Hydrogen on the cheap

A device being developed by John Fleming of SilverEagles Energy and Tim Maxwell from Texas Tech University could halve the cost of making hydrogen by electrolysis.

Conventional electrolysis units are made up of more than 100 2-volt cells connected in series, ensuring they can be powered by a 240-volt mains electricity supply. By using a transformer-like device to step the mains voltage down to 1.75 volts, Fleming has been able to simplify the design to use just eight cells. This makes the units much cheaper to manufacture and operate.

The pair claim their design can produce hydrogen at $2.80 per kilogram, compared to $5.20 per kg for conventional electrolysis units. http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128285.100-portable-ammonia-fa
ctories-could-fuel-clean-cars.html




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Monday, September 5, 2011 10:25 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I know ammonia was used as a refrigerant in the past, and still is industrially, but being a gas it's hard to handle, and when it gets out it's a deadly toxic vapor.

As stated in the story, ammonia is a gas at ambient temperature and pressure. (The ammonia one buys in the store is a small amount of ammonia gas dissolved in a large amount of water, which is why most people think ammonia is a liquid.)

I think cars and infrastructure would have to be re-designed and rebuilt to handle ammonia. Considering we can't seem to keep the potholes filled and bridges up, I'm not sure how reasonable it is to think about rebuilding around ammonia.


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Monday, September 5, 2011 10:43 AM

NIKI2

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ammonia is a gas at ambient temperature and pressure.
Given what you said, it doesn't seem feasible to keep it as a fuel at "ambient temperature"...?


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Monday, September 5, 2011 10:51 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You'd either have to keep it refrigerated or pressurized, or some combination to keep it liquid. Given that I can't see keeping cars running at a low level while they are parked just to run the refrigerator to keep the tank cold, the only option I can think of is pressure.




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Monday, September 5, 2011 10:55 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

If this means my cats can power my car, I'm in favor. ;-)

Actually, I think the danger of pressurized ammonia being released during a violent accident will keep this idea from ever being realized outside the laboratory.

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