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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Basically how it works is that as the accused, your fate is decided by twelve people who were too stupid to be able to get out of jury duty.

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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Basically how it works is that as the accused, your fate is decided by twelve people who were too stupid to be able to get out of jury duty.

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All too often, people enjoy the rights afforded them but mock the responsibilities that will keep it that way.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Stuffing a jury box full of workaday shlubs who are under pressure to reach a quick verdict or lose their jobs - all while being paid as much as $4 a day for their service - doesn't change the fact that moneyed interests can buy judges expensive gifts before putting a matter in their court, and the judges themselves can rule that there is no conflict of interest there at all

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Stuffing a jury box full of workaday shlubs who are under pressure to reach a quick verdict or lose their jobs - all while being paid as much as $4 a day for their service - doesn't change the fact that moneyed interests can buy judges expensive gifts before putting a matter in their court, and the judges themselves can rule that there is no conflict of interest there at all

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Aren't all employers obliged to provide paid leave for jury service?

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

In response, and almost as amusing in a dark, demented sorta way, is this one.
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jury_System

Although being an Anarchist is apparently NOT sufficient to get you pitched off the Jury in 14B, nor is the firm belief that the States conduct of the trial constitutes a bias and therefore fails the requirements of the Sixth Amendment.
(in short this means the ONLY verdict I could possibly deliver is "Not Guilty", thus of itself in a twisted irony making me unsuitable for Jury Duty, not that 14B seems to understand this)
The Judge in question damn well knew it and didn't pitch me out on my ear, cause I think he was deliberately trying to tank a bullshit case he couldn't dismiss outright for whatever reason.
And then the goddamn Public Defender throws challenge and has me pitched off - mind you, the defense counsel is under no obligation to correct errors of the State, no matter how deliberately introduced, especially ones that benefit his client, and so he has the case right then and there, a guaranteed slamdunk...
And then chooses to challenge and boot off that person.

I did follow it up afterwords out of curiosity, this was basically someones designated driver making a misjudgement in traffic and causing an accident, and the cop trying to accuse the drunk guy in the back seat of being at the wheel at the time, despite every other witness placing him in the back seat, and airbag residue all over the designated driver - cause the cop wanted to bag a DUI conviction, but the case was obviously bunk.
And yet somehow the Public Defender lost it - I suspect on purpose, and frankly that's something even beyond ineffective assistance of counsel, the ones around here, and MIGHT have had something to do with WHY the Judge wanted to sink the case pre-emptively.

It's not a perfect system, and it does badly need some reforms - but in principle, in theory, it ain't all that bad.
Problem comes from both sides exploiting the hell out of known flaws and weaknesses of that system, and the State deliberately introducing them TO exploit, as well as the incestous relationships between Police-Prosecutor-Judge which contain massive conflicts of interest, and around here also tend to involve the Public Defender as well, and the best way to address that is to introduce a larger degree of seperation between the court and State government.

Otherwise, it winds up with the State selecting the venue, the charges, the witnesses, the evidence, how things will be conducted, what the rules are... and so on and so forth, and when one side sets ALL the rules there's a heavy temptation to rig the game, which is done more often than not via violation of the discovery process, suppression of exculpatory evidence, and handing a jury deliberately kept ignorant of their rights and function a cherry picked, distorted representation of evidence and events designed to lead them down the garden path to a rubber stamp verdict.

As to how to introduce that level of seperation, there's a couple notions, but I am open to ideas on that front.
I've also been kicking the local Bar Association in the shins over these dive taking Public Defenders, cause no one else seems willing to do so, I've been royally pissed about that ever since the Prosecutor chose to make a joke to me regarding privledged info she could have only gotten from either the PD himself or bugging his office, and I suspect the former, cause if the PDs around here are selling out their clients to the Prosecutor it makes the whole goddamn thing a farce, does it not ?

And the very worst of it is that there was NO NEED for her to have done that, them three jerks were caught red handed in the act with the stolen property in their physical possession, it was open and shut - which could only mean that such conduct is default and habitual, and that means 14B needs a serious housecleaning.

-Frem

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"Strictly speaking, a driver can register a BAC of 0.00% and still be convicted of a DUI. The level of BAC does not clear a driver when it is below the 'presumed level of intoxication.'"
—Tennessee Driver Handbook and Driver License Study Guide
http://www.state.tn.us/safety/dlmain.htm
www.piratenews.org/theprohibitiontimes.html

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"There's a report out tonight that 24-years ago I was apprehended in Kennebunkport, Maine, for a DUI. That's an accurate story. I'm not proud of that. I oftentimes said that years ago I made some mistakes. I occasionally drank too much and I did on that night. I was pulled over. I admitted to the policeman that I had been drinking. I paid a fine. And I regret that it happened. But it did. I've learned my lesson."
—President George W. Bush, CNN Larry King Live, November 2, 2000
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushdui1.html

"Don't get a DUI. When a cop pulls you over..... shoot him!" (crowd cheered wildly)
-Christopher Scum, The Dirty Works, Rebel Scum movie premier, Knoxville Tennessee
http://www.myspace.com/rebelscumthemovie
youtube.com/watch?v=rlr9ZfAdMQg



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-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro, Dreams From My Father, MP3:
http://www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/


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