Ooops, world not ending after all. by oldenglanddry

What a surprise this is!

I was just making out my will when . . . I realized everyone else will
be dead, too; so there's no one to inherit my giant ball of string.

. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.

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Friday, May 11, 2012 2:23 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

I've seen this headline and story before, usually the day after. So this is premature. Won't they feel STOOPID if it really does end?

Duh , NOBC. If the world does end, there won't be anybody to report the story, or read the retraction.

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Friday, May 11, 2012 3:59 PM

KWICKO

Yup, if the world really does end, I won't feel anything at all, being all morbid and corpsified.

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Friday, May 11, 2012 7:48 PM

If it should happen that the Earth is vaporized, even our corpses won't exist!
There will be no zombies nor any terrain for them to lurch about!
The movie version of this, between the credits, should last no more than 3 minutes!

*SOB* out with a whimper.

. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 2:31 AM

WHOZIT

Just to be sure I'm not going to start Christmas shopping until the 22nd.

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:14 AM

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I guess we'll have to wait for December 21st to find out (that IS the date, isn't it?). Should be interesting--in my opinion, mostly to see all the apocalypse-expecting born-againers gnash their teeth...

I think it's supposed to be, but now that you mention it, I have some serious questions about that. The Mayans lived in the tropics. Why would the solstice have any particular meaning to them? They don't HAVE solstices in the tropics, it's the angle and curvature of the earth that creates longer days and shorter days. I think that's a number that westerners came up with.

Unless the sun starts going nova, which would be readily apparent to anyone with any sense that something's gone majorly and massively wrong, anyone saying the world is going to end and points to mythology as their "evidence" is trying to sell you something.

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:17 AM

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Just to be sure I'm not going to start Christmas shopping until the 22nd.

Oh man that is some massive headache pain right there. The crowds, the agony, the HORROR.

It's not like you can take it with you, and since this hokey doomsday scenario isn't even going to happen, you might as well just go shopping as usual.

(I know you're kidding, but...)

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:32 AM

The year 2000 was incorrect as well, what with calendars changing over the centuries, but I would say "a world" definitely ended on 9/11/2001. See, if enough people on the planet believe a thing, expect a thing, fixate on a thing for years in advance, something will likely happen along those lines. How can we describe the far right mindset better than "post-apocalyptic?" The power of the human mind is truly awe inspiring.

2012 will be no different, though, as with 2001, the exact date isn't fixed. "A world" is coming to an end. I'm hoping that this b.s. "Post 9/11 world" will be obliterated by some quantum leap forward in global compassion, prolly brought on by some game changing economic or environmental catastrophe or other. Something that will finally make clear that the whole "terrorist threat" b.s. of the last decade is truly small potatoes in the great scheme of things. Wonderful news? Horrible news? I'm bettin' it's both.

This year has already brought enormous chaos into my life and the lives of those around me. So many relationships ending or in crisis, lot o' people dying, cancer, people quitting or getting fired from their jobs. And, interestingly, I think this theme of "Obama = End of America" will be very big this year. Look for the homespun attack ads and such to really push that theme to absurd heights. Obama = Antichrist. In some circles it will be the Battle of the Antichrists with the Secret Muslim in one corner and the Follower of the False Jesus in the other.

We are definitely living in interesting times. Hope to see you all on the other side!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:27 AM

HK: I can't figure out how to take your post or how to respond. Help me out here?

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:13 PM

Hey Byte,

I'm not a strict materialist. I suspect you are. I've been given to understand that reality functions as we perceive it to function in part because we believe it will function that way. (Note that I say "in part." I believe the New Agers jump the phenomenological shark when they say that we all "create our own reality." That's dangerous nonsense, and a one way ticket to blaming the Jews for the Holocaust, f'rinstance.) I know that human culture and social dynamics are absolutely influenced by our collective subconscious wishes and fears. I kinda think of it as the absolute democracy of the collective unconscious. The way I understand this is that if enough people experience a thing, or believe a thing will happen, this belief takes on the characteristics of a chaotic attractor and reality will tend in that direction. So, everyone thinks the world will end in the year 2000, and on an emotional level, give or take a year or so, it does, for most of the planet.

Furthermore, our dreams are integral to keeping the human race from being swallowed up by our very negative obsessions. For example, without our dreams to disperse the species' negative psychic charge caused by Hiroshima, instead of so many individuals across the globe in every culture dreaming of a nuclear apocalypse over and over for the decades preceeding the fall of the Berlin Wall, we very well could have had a nuclear war. It was too powerful an attactor not to manifest in some form. Our nightmares are the ultimate cautionary tales.

At this point in human history, the bulk of this activity takes place entirely on the subconscious level, but more and more people are becoming aware of this phenomenon daily. I have a lot of faith in the human race largely because I've studied the subconscious for most of my life and found it to be a true friend and very trustworthy protector--at the level of species, you understand. Individuals may be plagued by all manner of psychic disturbances that damage the effectiveness of the subconscious to do its work, but as a whole, human consciousness is constantly evolving toward higher and higher awareness and wholeness. With the spread of the Internet, the human capacity to create consensus has suddenly taken a quantum leap forward. It makes me hopeful that the coming "end" may be an end to the disintegrated madness of the so-called Post-9/11 World. Also, I've found that the wounded psyche's ability to heal is practically limitless.

So, anyway, we all shall see if 2012 is a strong enough attractor to manifest an end such as the one felt globally in the days after 9/11. My sources say, "yes."

I hope that helped.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:24 PM

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For example, without our dreams to disperse the species' negative psychic charge caused by Hiroshima, instead of so many individuals across the globe in every culture dreaming of a nuclear apocalypse over and over for the decades preceeding the fall of the Berlin Wall, we very well could have had a nuclear war

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At this point in human history, the bulk of this activity takes place entirely on the subconscious level, but more and more people are becoming aware of this phenomenon daily. I have a lot of faith in the human race largely because I've studied the subconscious for most of my life and found it to be a true friend and very trustworthy protector--at the level of species, you understand. Individuals may be plagued by all manner of psychic disturbances that damage the effectiveness of the subconscious to do its work

...Good luck with all that.

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:37 PM

(ETA: Byte just edited out most of her last post! lol)

Hey Byte,

I wasn't supposed to understand what you just said, was I? From the word "withstand" on, I'm lost as to your intent in posting.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:38 PM

Guess that makes us even.

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:39 PM

I don't deserve that, Byte.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:00 PM

What, that we confuse the hell out of each other? In what way is that not true?

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:29 PM

KWICKO

What if I believe that 9/11 was just another day?

What if December 21 is just another day?

Besides, there's nothing in the Mayan calendar about any "end" of the world in the first place. It's the end of a *cycle* - and the beginning of another. Mayans apparently believed that the end of a cycle brought the potential for change, not the end of the world.

Y'all can believe whatever you want. That doesn't make what you believe real. I have to acknowledge your beliefs - I have to admit that you believe these things; I do not have to *respect* your beliefs, or share them. As Patton Oswalt says, I acknowledge that you believe that, even if that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 2:06 PM

Ah well Byte,

I wasn't confused by what you said, I was confused as to why. "Your intent in posting." Seemed to me you were being pretty dismissive and, y'know, not terribly civil about it. But I've learned that I should give you a chance to explain yourself before I jump to conclusions and get offended. Then you edited it all down to "good luck with that" which may have made you feel better, but it kinda underscored the dismissal. I think it's particularly rude when you've asked someone to explain themselves to turn around when they do and dismiss their answer. Really.

So when you posted "I guess that makes us even" I thought you were questioning my intention in posting as I had done yours, as if you believed my original comments were somehow unkind to you. But my intent in posting about the unconsious was simply to give you more insight into how I think. So I said I didn't deserve that. Anyway, I'm sorry if I misunderstood you.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 5:49 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Well just to add to the weird...

I see the Internet *AS* the collective consciousness of Mankind.
Why is prolly why it's fulla porn!

But no, I mean that.
As for worlds ending - I was in fact online during that whole phony Y2K Fiasco MOCKING the folks who thought everything would go to hell in a handbasket... three hours later, I was STILL mocking them.

-Frem

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:35 PM

Quote HKCavalier: "The year 2000 was incorrect as well, what with calendars changing
over the centuries, but I would say 'a world' definitely ended on 9/11/2001. See, if
enough people on the planet believe a thing, expect a thing, fixate on a thing for
years in advance, something will likely happen along those lines.
...
This year has already brought enormous chaos into my life and the lives of those around
me. So many relationships ending or in crisis ...
We are definitely living in interesting times. Hope to see you all on the other side!"

Read Seth much? Learn this nature of reality from ... someone wise? ... or you're a seer?
While it all seems Apocalyptic to me, many folks will just be working to raise their own
vibrations.

I gotta agree with you, HKC.

. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:54 PM

Sorry HK. Yeah, it's was like I read your first post, didn't understand, read second post, still... kinda didn't really understand. There were ideas and words that plain went over my head.

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Then you edited it all down to "good luck with that"

I edited it down to that because I still don't really know what to respond. Good luck seemed more positive and appropriate in address towards something that was that complicated - therefore needing luck? - than my longhand version of "I'm confused now."

In any case, after several reads, it was also becoming somewhat apparent to me that I probably wasn't going to be able to understand.

As a bonus, this spares you from my bumbling attempts to describe or define what I think constitutes the subconscious and unconscious and their functions, which is pretty much about as far beyond my field of knowledge or expertise as we can get and which would be rife with my further misinformation and delirium.

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Sunday, May 13, 2012 2:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Niki2:

I guess we'll have to wait for December 21st to find out (that IS the date, isn't it?). Should be interesting--in my opinion, mostly to see all the apocalypse-expecting born-againers gnash their teeth...

It's godless savages, not the bible, making this prediction. So they know it can't be true.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Sunday, May 13, 2012 6:15 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

For what its worth I didn't understand HK's post either and would have said "Good luck" too, just because I don't know what else to say. I really do wish HK positive things and HK thinks this shift that s/he believes will happen will be positive, so I wish well in whatever s/he is looking for. I don't like that I don't recall your sex HK, but maybe it doesn't really matter, if it doesn't matter to you (you don't mention it on here) then it doesn't need to matter to me.

But yeah, good luck in this year.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Monday, May 21, 2012 4:54 PM