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Mother Nature: She's such a bitch. (Good on her!)

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Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:53 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Because there's no such thing as global climate shift.

Record-breaking fires stretch assets
www.tennessean.com/viewart/20120630/NEWS08/306300033/Record-breaking-f
ires-stretch-assets?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p




Heat wave rolls through the U.S., toppling records
www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-record-heat-wave-201206
28,0,1971907.story



National Weather Service issues 'record severity' flood warning for St. Marys River
http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2012-06-27/story/national-weather
-service-issues-record-severity-flood-warning-st-marys#ixzz1zJdKlLsj


States declare emergency after storms leave 12 dead and millions without power

www.foxnews.com/weather/2012/06/30/mid-atlantic-storms-knock-out-power
-to-nearly-2-million/?test=latestnews#ixzz1zJe5a5QV



I guess I don't have to remind Texans of the back-breaking drought they just endured last year, or New Mexicans and Arizonans of their record fires either.

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Saturday, June 30, 2012 12:47 PM

MAL4PREZ


Sig - Have you read Mark Bowen's Thin Ice?

http://www.mark-bowen.com/book_ti.html

I'm taking a second pass through it. Really fucking good book about the climate change science.

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Saturday, June 30, 2012 1:46 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Forest fires aren't climate.

It's summer

There was a tropical storm in FL. It happens in FL.

It's happened before, it'll happen again.

Good grief.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:50 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Is this yet another mis-prediction from the infamously misguided one? The one who makes CLAIMS and then RUNS AWAY???

Oh yeah, we know rappy. And the economy's ON FIRE TOO, dontcha know!

If you get the idea that none of us take you seriously, then that's ONE thing you got right.

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Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:25 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


How many island nations slipped beneath the waves today? Hmmm?

Gullible twits.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:52 PM

HERO


I will summarize the entire science of weather in two sentences.

Sometimes it's hot, sometimes it's not. Sometimes it rains, sometimes it don't.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:56 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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How many island nations slipped beneath the waves today? Hmmm?
In MAY
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As the world gets warmer and with waves encroaching ever closer, an entire island nation is on the verge of vanishing beneath rapidly rising sea levels. And pretty soon, an unprecedented mass exodus is set to begin.
www.smartplanet.com/blog/thinking-tech/global-warming-causes-island-na
tion-to-sink/10632

Every post you type is one more embarrassment. How can anyone be so unerringly wrong?

Oh, BTW- nice to see you pile into the clusterfuck, "HERO".

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Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:24 PM

OONJERAH



Kiribati, a place I certainly never heard of. Nearly gone, soon to be gone?

But what could this have to do with climate change? I mean ... the glaciers
are not all melting. I read a rumor that some are actually getting bigger.

I can figure out some other reason for Kiribati to disappear, if my idiotic
denial of facts is strong enough! Yes! For reasons no one knows, the island
must be sinking, losing elevation.

I mean, if the seas were rising, wouldn't the Dutch be the first to know?
Or do they?

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Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:51 PM

BYTEMITE


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How many island nations slipped beneath the waves today? Hmmm?

Gullible twits.



Um. That... Actually happens. Granted, they don't tip over due to population, but island nations especially in the pacific tend to be volcanic, and the volcanic rock has some thermal expansion associated with it that can subside. Earthquakes can also cause abrupt changes in elevation above the water.

It's how you create atolls and coral reefs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atoll#Formation

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Saturday, June 30, 2012 7:07 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


My understanding of Kiribati is that not a single point of land is over six feet above the ocean (presumably they mean at high tide). That means that MOST of the land is within a few inches, or a few feet, of the ocean surface. I listened to an interview of the mayor (?), chief(?) of one of the drowning Pacific Islands... it may have been Kiribati. The ocean, altho having risen on average only a half-inch or so, has moved inland as much as 50 feet in some areas. The cemetary and dock are already in the water, and that extra half-inch of seawater is infiltrating the island and spoiling its freshwater supply. He is trying to send his people off the island, to New Zealand, which has already reserved a large number of immigrant spaces for flooded Pacific Islanders. The mayor (?) is worried sick- half of his people are so religious they refuse to believe that God wuld let their island drown, and so they refuse to move.

As far as the Dutch are concerned, they're planning to
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invest an extra U.S. $10 billion to $25 billion in flood and sea defenses over the next century, and are already drafting plans to upgrade dikes, pumping stations, and seawalls.

"It's better to be safe than sorry when you live below sea level," says Peter C. G. Glas, director of inland water systems at Delft Hydraulics, which designs much of the country's extensive water management infrastructure. "We've had a tradition over the past century of being frightened of the water, and rightly so."

I think they have a healthy respect for the ocean, whether it's rising or not.

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Sunday, July 1, 2012 12:51 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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How many island nations slipped beneath the waves today? Hmmm?
In MAY
Quote:

As the world gets warmer and with waves encroaching ever closer, an entire island nation is on the verge of vanishing beneath rapidly rising sea levels. And pretty soon, an unprecedented mass exodus is set to begin.
www.smartplanet.com/blog/thinking-tech/global-warming-causes-island-na
tion-to-sink/10632

Every post you type is one more embarrassment. How can anyone be so unerringly wrong?

Oh, BTW- nice to see you pile into the clusterfuck, "HERO".



So, the answer to my question is - NONE.

The video was uploaded in 2009. It sounds like it could have come from the mind of AlGore, and his hilarious work of fiction.

Seems storms and tides, with winds coming from opposite directions, is the cause for the flooding, NOT 'rising sea levels'.




" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, July 1, 2012 4:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, so you expect an island to slip under the water every day, is that it? May 2012 not close enough for you? That's a little like saying that because a tsunami doesn't happen EVERY day, they're not a problem. (You can discuss that with the people of Japan and Indonesia)

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Monday, July 2, 2012 5:41 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


http://phys.org/news/2012-06-humans-primary-global-ocean.html

Research shows humans are primary cause of global ocean warming

New research by a team of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory scientists and international collaborators shows that the observed ocean warming over the last 50 years is consistent with climate models only if the models include the impacts of observed increases in greenhouse gas during the 20th century.










SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Monday, July 2, 2012 5:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Of the combined land mass, much of it sits about 2 meters above sea level and is expected to be submerged by 2030. New Scientists reports that the effects of climate change has caused devastating droughts, the loss of coconut trees, drinking water shortages due to the flow of saltwater into drinking wells.

The small island nation of Kiribati is made up of 33 small atolls, none of which is more than 6.5 feet above the South Pacific, and it is only a matter of time before the entire country is submerged by the rising sea.

“For Kiribati, the tipping point has already occurred,” Schneider said. “As far as they’re concerned, it’s tipped, but they have no economic clout in the world.”

“For those who believe climate change is about some distant future, I invite them to Kiribati. Climate change is not about tomorrow. It is lapping at our feet – quite literally in Kiribati and elsewhere,” said United Nations Secretary-General, Ban Ki-moon in a speech last week

You gotta remember, when we are all crowded together on what used to be a mountain top, Raptor and his ilk will STILL be denying climate change! You'll never get through to the deliberately ignorant, you know that. Tho' we won't last that long anyway, as long as we keep doing this:

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China’s massive ‘pollution cloud’ can be seen from space



On the ground floor, its a curtain of smog so ubiquitous that highways were forced to close and outdoor school activities cancelled. One of the most disruptive instances took place on the morning of January 10 2012 when the Beijing airport was forced to cancel 43 flights and delay an additional 80 more due to bad visibility. To blame was a stretch of fog and haze that was so massive and gritty NASA satellite photos show it completely blanketing Beijing along with a large swatch of the surrounding region. http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/thinking-tech/chinas-massive-8216pollu
tion-cloud-can-be-seen-from-space/9886?tag=content;siu-container

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Seems storms and tides, with winds coming from opposite directions, is the cause for the flooding, NOT 'rising sea levels'.
Interesting...I didn't see that in the article, I must have missed something (NOT!)


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Monday, July 2, 2012 6:20 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


As to the article being from 2009, here's one from March of THIS YEAR:
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In what could be the world's first climate-induced migration of modern times, Anote Tong, the Kiribati president, said he was in talks with Fiji's military government to buy up to 5,000 acres of freehold land on which his countrymen could be housed.
Some of Kiribati's 32 pancake-flat coral atolls, which straddle the equator over 1,350,000 square miles of ocean, are already disappearing beneath the waves. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/kirib
ati/9127576/Entire-nation-of-Kiribati-to-be-relocated-over-rising-sea-level-threat.html
a personal perspective and video:

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Boobu Tioram, a resident of the Pacific island of Kirabati, took time out from reinforcing a seawall in front of his newly built house to speak with UNDP about what climate change has meant to his way of life.

I have moved three times, every three years I have moved, he said, standing on the beach a few metres from his home. Tioram gestured toward a point about 20 metres into the sea, and explained that his first house once stood on a spot now covered in swelling ocean waves. Each time he has moved farther inland, and each time the sea has followed.

Im not sure how long Ill be [in this house], Tioram continued. That depends on how strong my seawall here can withstand high tide waves.

UNDP believes that it is the developing world that stands to lose the most, and which is already losing out, as the effects of climate change edge toward the catastrophic. As climate negotiations open in Copenhagen, worlds away from this tiny Pacific nation consisting of 33 low lying atolls, it is important to keep in mind that for the people of Kirabati, and other poor island and coastal nations, funds for adaptation and not only prevention must top the international to-do list.

Carbon trading will be of no special consequence to us, so there has got to be some very special provisions for the victims, said Kirabati President Anote Tong. Not the potential victims, but the victims, because we are the victims, so there has to be some very deep soul searching.

Kirabati is no more than four metres high at its highest point, and 100 percent of the population lives within one kilometre of the coast, making this nation one of the most vulnerable to the effects of global warming. Its future is uncertain, including the question of whether it even has a future anymore.

And yes, sinking of the sea bed is partly to blame, but I don't think it would be happening this fast if that was all that was to blame; bear in mind they've lived there for generations, and only now are having to move so frequently...if that means anything to you (which no doubt it doesn't).
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The last volcanic activity in the Line Islands occurred around 37 million years ago in the centre of the group. Since then, sinking of the sea bed, changing sea levels and the forces of erosion have acted on these seamounts so that now only 11 emerge, at best, a few meters above sea level. http://www.oceandots.com/pacific/line/
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Ocean levels have been increasing ever so slightly -- at the rate of 0.1 inch every year, due to climate change and melting glaciers. Since 1880, ocean levels have risen nearly 8 inches.

Many low-lying regions around the world have cause for concern. Islands belonging to Maldives in the Indian Ocean, and Papua New Guinea in the Pacific have lost land or have been completely submerged. http://www.youngzine.com/article/kiribati-modern-day-atlantis

Silly me, wasting my time like this...as I said, the deniers will still be denying when it's impossible to deny. The mere fact that ocean levels are rising globally must be because of volcanic activity, too, I suppose [/snark]By the way, it's not just happening there, and a few islands HAVE already disappeared...if you want a couple that have actually completely disappeared:
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Rising seas, caused by global warming, have for the first time washed an inhabited island off the face of the Earth. The obliteration of Lohachara island, in India's part of the Sundarbans where the Ganges and the Brahmaputra rivers empty into the Bay of Bengal, marks the moment when one of the most apocalyptic predictions of environmentalists and climate scientists has started coming true.

As the seas continue to swell, they will swallow whole island nations, from the Maldives to the Marshall Islands, inundate vast areas of countries from Bangladesh to Egypt, and submerge parts of scores of coastal cities.

Eight years ago, as exclusively reported in The Independent on Sunday, the first uninhabited islands - in the Pacific atoll nation of Kiribati - vanished beneath the waves. The people of low-lying islands in Vanuatu, also in the Pacific, have been evacuated as a precaution, but the land still juts above the sea. The disappearance of Lohachara, once home to 10,000 people, is unprecedented.

It has been officially recorded in a six-year study of the Sunderbans by researchers at Calcutta's Jadavpur University. So remote is the island that the researchers first learned of its submergence, and that of an uninhabited neighbouring island, Suparibhanga, when they saw they had vanished from satellite pictures.

Two-thirds of nearby populated island Ghoramara has also been permanently inundated. Dr Sugata Hazra, director of the university's School of Oceanographic Studies, says "it is only a matter of some years" before it is swallowed up too. Dr Hazra says there are now a dozen "vanishing islands" in India's part of the delta. The area's 400 tigers are also in danger.

Until now the Carteret Islands off Papua New Guinea were expected to be the first populated ones to disappear, in about eight years' time, but Lohachara has beaten them to the dubious distinction.

Rising seas, caused by global warming, have for the first time washed an inhabited island off the face of the Earth. The obliteration of Lohachara island, in India's part of the Sundarbans where the Ganges and the Brahmaputra rivers empty into the Bay of Bengal, marks the moment when one of the most apocalyptic predictions of environmentalists and climate scientists has started coming true.

As the seas continue to swell, they will swallow whole island nations, from the Maldives to the Marshall Islands, inundate vast areas of countries from Bangladesh to Egypt, and submerge parts of scores of coastal cities.

Eight years ago the first uninhabited islands - in the Pacific atoll nation of Kiribati - vanished beneath the waves. The people of low-lying islands in Vanuatu, also in the Pacific, have been evacuated as a precaution, but the land still juts above the sea. The disappearance of Lohachara, once home to 10,000 people, is unprecedented.

It has been officially recorded in a six-year study of the Sunderbans by researchers at Calcutta's Jadavpur University. So remote is the island that the researchers first learned of its submergence, and that of an uninhabited neighbouring island, Suparibhanga, when they saw they had vanished from satellite pictures.

Two-thirds of nearby populated island Ghoramara has also been permanently inundated. Dr Sugata Hazra, director of the university's School of Oceanographic Studies, says "it is only a matter of some years" before it is swallowed up too. Dr Hazra says there are now a dozen "vanishing islands" in India's part of the delta. The area's 400 tigers are also in danger.

Until now the Carteret Islands off Papua New Guinea were expected to be the first populated ones to disappear, in about eight years' time, but Lohachara has beaten them to the dubious distinction.

Refugees from the vanished Lohachara island and the disappearing Ghoramara island have fled to Sagar, but this island has already lost 7,500 acres of land to the sea. In all, a dozen islands, home to 70,000 people, are in danger of being submerged by the rising seas. http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/disappearing-w
orld-global-warming-claims-tropical-island-429764.html

Those obvsiously aren't enough islands vanishing to worry about. Awful lot of volcanic-related stuff going on out there, apparently...


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Monday, July 2, 2012 9:10 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


http://www.awi.de/en/news/press_releases/detail/item/climate_scientist
s_discover_new_weak_point_of_the_antarctic_ice_sheet/?tx_list_pi1
[mode]=6&cHash=ce5a765b33877f05e76d7bfaa91f1582

Climate scientists discover new weak point of the Antarctic ice sheet

Bremerhaven, 9 May 2012. The Filchner-Ronne Ice Shelf fringing the Weddell Sea, Antarctica, may start to melt rapidly in this century and no longer act as a barrier for ice streams draining the Antarctic Ice Sheet. These predictions are made by climate researchers of the Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research in the Helmholtz Association in the coming issue of the British science magazine “Nature“. They refute the widespread assumption that ice shelves in the Weddell Sea would not be affected by the direct influences of global warming due to the peripheral location of the Sea.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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