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The true reason US fears Iranian nukes

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Wednesday, October 3, 2012 3:20 PM

CANTTAKESKY


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/02/iran-nukes-deterre
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Every now and then, they reveal the real reason: Iranian nuclear weapons would prevent the US from attacking Iran at will, and that is what is intolerable. The latest person to unwittingly reveal the real reason for viewing an Iranian nuclear capacity as unacceptable was GOP Senator Lindsey Graham, one of the US's most reliable and bloodthirsty warmongers.

On Monday, Graham spoke in North Augusta, South Carolina, and was asked about the way in which sanctions were harming ordinary Iranians. Ayman Hossam Fadel was present and recorded the exchange. Answering that question, Graham praised President Obama for threatening Iran with war over nuclear weapons, decreed that "the Iranian people should be willing to suffer now for a better future," and then – invoking the trite neocon script that is hauled out whenever new wars are being justified – analogized Iranian nukes to Hitler in the 1930s. But in the middle of his answer, he explained the real reason Iranian nuclear weapons should be feared:

"They have two goals: one, regime survival. The best way for the regime surviving, in their mind, is having a nuclear weapon, because when you have a nuclear weapon, nobody attacks you."

Graham added that the second regime goal is "influence", that "people listen to you" when you have a nuclear weapon. In other words, we cannot let Iran acquire nuclear weapons because if they get them, we can no longer attack them when we want to and can no longer bully them in their own region.

Graham's answer is consistent with what various American policy elites have said over the years about America's enemies generally and Iran specifically: the true threat of nuclear proliferation is that it can deter American aggression. Thomas Donnelly of the American Enterprise Institute and the New American Century Project has long been crystal clear that this is the real reason for opposing Iranian nuclear capability [my emphasis]:

"When their missiles are tipped with warheads carrying nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, even weak regional powers have a credible deterrent regardless of the balance of conventional forces … In the post cold war era, America and its allies, rather than the Soviet Union, have become the primary objects of deterrence and it is states like Iraq, Iran and North Korea who most wish to develop deterrent capabilities."

He added:

"The surest deterrent to American action is a functioning nuclear arsenal …

"To be sure, the prospect of a nuclear Iran is a nightmare. But it is less a nightmare because of the high likelihood that Tehran would employ its weapons or pass them on to terrorist groups – although that is not beyond the realm of possibility – and more because of the constraining effect it threatens to impose upon US strategy for the greater Middle East. The danger is that Iran will 'extend' its deterrence, either directly or de facto, to a variety of states and other actors throughout the region. This would be an ironic echo of the extended deterrence thought to apply to US allies during the cold war."

As Jonathan Schwarz has extensively documented, this is what US policy elites have said over and over. In 2001, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld warned:

"Several of these [small enemy nations] are intensely hostile to the United States and are arming to deter us from bringing our conventional or nuclear power to bear in a regional crisis."

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I love Glenn, one of the few reliable voices for critical reasoning still left in the world.


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Wednesday, October 3, 2012 3:36 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)





Exactly. If you're trying to get nukes, we'll invade; if you HAVE nukes... we'll talk.


Greenwald is awesome, as is Greg Palast.



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Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Wednesday, October 3, 2012 4:06 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Greg Palast is a bit too liberal, uh...partisan for me.


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Wednesday, October 3, 2012 4:32 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


His stuff on voter caging is damned good, though.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, October 3, 2012 6:57 PM

CANTTAKESKY


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His stuff on voter caging is damned good, though.



Ah, had to look it up. Nasty business. What's wrong with people?

http://www.gregpalast.com/raging-caging-what-the-heck-is-vote-caging-a
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Thursday, October 4, 2012 3:05 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by canttakesky:
Every now and then, they reveal the real reason: Iranian nuclear weapons would prevent the US from attacking Iran at will, and that is what is intolerable.


Ding! Ding! Ding!, Glenn wins the kewpie doll...

I said at the time that we were misusing the UN inspections to ENSURE Iraq was actually defenseless before invading, which was sneered at by folks who were so sure we weren't gonna do that, yeah...
At this point I ain't sure we COULD engage Iran if we wanted to, nukes or no - we simply do not have the resources, our military is crippled from being thrown repeatedly into a meatgrinder by folks whos concept of whats what over there is based in rightwing agitprop and wishful thinking, and we have no international support worth a mention cause nobody trusts us, and with damn good reason.

But it WAS telling just how FAST we backed off the sabre rattling at North Korea when they showed they had that capability, and even more so how we slowly backed away from Chavez (even as he started to go crazy) once he'd assembled a conventional arsenal which'd prove problematic.
Bullies and robbers hate targets who can defend themselves, don't ya know.

Anyhows, even without a nuke, Iran can neutralize most of our naval assets via saturation missle strike and blockade, cause while the carrier can run on it's own power, them jets require FUEL, and cut that off they're nothing more than big expensive targets - the pentagon knows this, cause it's tried to bait a response several times with ships that are barely even seaworthy but the Iranians didn't bite - they've also got a pair of Kilo class diesel subs which are equipped and experienced with that environment, and outclass our boomer boats by virtue of being smaller, more maneuverable and quieter.

Also worth a mention that Greenwald moved more or less permanantly out of the country in 2011 and is no longer willing to write for an American media outlet, not that I blame him a whit.

-Frem

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