Romney Accuses Jeep of Moving All Production to China! by Kwicko

Actually, Jeep is looking to ADD production capability, not MOVE production. They're looking to open lines in China, yes, but that's so that they can sell to the world's largest emerging car market IN ADDITION TO selling here in the U.S. at the same time.

Mitt's got it totally wrong, as usual - they aren't trying to move all their production to China; they're looking to EXPAND production, which includes adding factories in China.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:08 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I bought a Jeep once. An hour after driving it off the lot I wanted to buy another one.

For the record, no car company has ever survived longterm owning of the Jeep brand, so this could be the downfall of FIAT.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:15 PM

MAL4PREZ

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Originally posted by Hero:
Yeah, exploring moving production to China. Like I said.

Do you think "Hero" will ever admit how completely wrong he is here? Or does he already know he's wrong, meaning that he was lying when he posted this?

I like my Jeep. Not as much as I liked my old 300Z, which may be unpatriotic, but the Z was just nice. If I ever move to warmer climates and don't need the 4WD, I may go back to sportscar mode.

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Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:16 PM

HERO

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I bought a Jeep once. An hour after driving it off the lot I wanted to buy another one.

Hmm...I guess they get old fast.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Sunday, October 28, 2012 4:10 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Actually, it was all the mpg in it.

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Sunday, October 28, 2012 5:32 PM

After owning a Dodge Durango, I can't imagine anyone owning any Jeep or Chrysler vehicle on purpose. That Dodge is the biggest POS I've ever encountered, and I've owned a Vega, a couple Opels, an Audi and a couple Volvos!

The Durango currently has an issue where you have to run it with the lights on, horn fuse pulled, and you have to disconnect the battery when you shut it off, because for some reason it seems to think the security system is malfunctioning, so it randomly honks the horn and flashes the lights while you're driving. Or when it's parked. Or at 3am. Or noon.

Shops say it's a fault in the security system, until I point out that it doesn't have one. "Oh," they say, "Then it's the keyless entry system." Except I don't have one of those, either. "Hmmmmm... Must be the alternator, then." Except it's been checked by three shops, and is fine. At that case they invite me to go try another shop.

The day I put the match to this pig of a beast will be a good day for me.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:00 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

FWIW there have only been two times in my life I wished I had a gun. Once was b/c of a car that would be fine, fine, fine, fine - then randomly overheat. No one could figure out what was going on. And I never knew when I'd be stranded. I wanted to take it to a remote wooded corner of a parking lot I knew, and put a bullet through the engine block. Some cars are a pos and just drive one nuts ...

...but is it mean that I laughed about your particular vehicle? The list of work-arounds to drive and park the thing is (snort giggle) uhm ... REALLY unique!

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Monday, October 29, 2012 4:35 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

The story.

Quote:
Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.

Fiat is in “very detailed conversations” with its Chinese partner, Guangzhou Automobile Group Co. (2238), about making Jeeps in the world’s largest auto market, said Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia. Chrysler hasn’t built Jeeps there since before Fiat took control in 2009.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-21/fiat-says-china-may-build-all
-jeep-models-as-suv-demand-climbs.html

Looks like the take-away here is to be sure to read deeper than the first couple of paragraphs.

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Monday, October 29, 2012 6:08 AM

So you read "make all of its models" as "move all of its production"?

Is that the takeaway?

Also, note for the record that in a post saying people should probably read more than the first couple paragraphs... you quoted only the first couple paragraphs.

Here's the fifth paragraph, which you apparently didn't read, or didn't bother to quote since it doesn't comport with Romney's untrue statements:

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Chrysler currently builds all Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.

Since right-wingers typically can't read very well (Mitt seems as guilty of this as you and Rappy do), I can see why y'all got so confused. And clearly an American company growing in its exports and overseas markets is a bad thing for Mitt to acknowledge, so instead he just makes something up which isn't true in the least.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, October 29, 2012 6:28 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I've finally figured out little rapey. Got the final piece of the puzzle. Now I'm working on Geezer*. How can someone who tries to pretend to be so bright be so stupid? * Plus I need my own name for him, something that summarizes all that I see in him. Didn't he used to be called slick? Something like that, but with a stronger trace of Deliverance in it.

ETA: Just in case anyone is wondering, I have absolutely no intention of debating facts with our stable of right-wing-idiots. I've seen dozens of people spend tens of thousands of words each over years of time doing that, all to no effect. It's not that I can't make the arguments, it's that life is too short to waste time on them. Yes, I have written them off as anything other than curiosities and objects of amusement.

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Monday, October 29, 2012 7:36 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I've finally figured out little rapey. Got the final piece of the puzzle. Now I'm working on Geezer*. How can someone who tries to pretend to be so bright be so stupid? * Plus I need my own name for him, something that summarizes all that I see in him. Didn't he used to be called slick? Something like that, but with a stronger trace of Deliverance in it.

ETA: Just in case anyone is wondering, I have absolutely no intention of debating facts with our stable of right-wing-idiots. I've seen dozens of people spend tens of thousands of words each over years of time doing that, all to no effect. It's not that I can't make the arguments, it's that life is too short to waste time on them. Yes, I have written them off as anything other than curiosities and objects of amusement.

Oh, I don't mind schooling these fools on the facts. I don't do it for them, since they've clearly left the fact-based world of reality and are now living in the FauxNews™ post-factual world; I do it for any innocent passers-by who might stumble across their idiocy and mistake it for a valid point.

Also, it helps me sharpen my own arguments, since this isn't the only place I run across their particular breed of insanity and inanity. I have people I grew up with who actually believe this same kind of crap - Obama's a Kenyan "Muslin" Marxist-Stalinist-Maoist-Nazi-anti-colonialist - and I have to keep trying to get them to adhere to actual FACTS in a discussion, lest they veer off into PN-land or RappyLand.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, October 29, 2012 8:04 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
FWIW there have only been two times in my life I wished I had a gun. Once was b/c of a car that would be fine, fine, fine, fine - then randomly overheat. No one could figure out what was going on. And I never knew when I'd be stranded. I wanted to take it to a remote wooded corner of a parking lot I knew, and put a bullet through the engine block. Some cars are a pos and just drive one nuts ...

...but is it mean that I laughed about your particular vehicle? The list of work-arounds to drive and park the thing is (snort giggle) uhm ... REALLY unique!

Is it mean? Not at all - I laugh at that piece of shit every day! I need to find the letter "Y" in the same size/font style as the "D O D G E" logo on the tailgate of the beast, so I can replace the "E" and make it spell "DODGY", because that best describes the build quality of this pig.

Did I mention it has less than 41,000 miles on it? Things began falling off it pretty much the day I inherited it. Probably before that, even, but my dad was a big Mopar believer.

It carries no spare tire, because that fell off. Seriously. While I was driving, the spare fell off from its mount underneath the car. It was held up by a winch-n-cable setup, and the cable snapped one day. Full-size, 75-pound spare bounding down the road at 45mph, it's a wonder nobody was killed. Then the front wheel bearings failed about a week after that. Whole interior door panels have come off in people's hands as they try to pull the rear doors closed.

I had a shop tell me they thought they could fix the electrical issues, maybe, for "around $1600". I told the guy, and I quote: "That piece of shit has a street value of about fifty bucks, and that's only IF I fill the gas tank first. Before I'll pay you or anyone else sixteen hundred to 'maybe' fix it, I'll put a rag in the gas tank, a brick on the accelerator, and aim it off a cliff before lighting the rag and dropping it in Drive!"

He said he completely understood. Must've been a Dodge man himself...

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Monday, October 29, 2012 8:42 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Now I'm working on Geezer*. How can someone who tries to pretend to be so bright be so stupid? * Plus I need my own name for him, something that summarizes all that I see in him. Didn't he used to be called slick? Something like that, but with a stronger trace of Deliverance in it.

Yes Rue, that was what you used to call Geezer. Back in the days when the economy was on fire.

You might want to check with SignyJKiddo to back my claim up.

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Monday, October 29, 2012 8:45 AM

I would like to point out that I have a Dodge Dakota which has been trouble free since I bought it.
So I guess Kwicko was either hyperbolizing or lying when he made his earlier claims about Chrysler.

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Monday, October 29, 2012 8:50 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Yeah, I remember Rue. Didn't people used to think SignyM and Rue were the same? Were you one of them? On, and I thought that whole SignyMJKiddo thing was cleared up - as needing a new log-on for a new computer I think. Does that count in your book as acceptable, or are you going to still be grinding on that when you’re old and senile. Oh wait - never mind.

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Monday, October 29, 2012 9:05 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yeah, I remember Rue. Didn't people used to think SignyM and Rue were the same? Were you one of them? On, and I thought that whole SignyMJKiddo thing was cleared up - as needing a new log-on for a new computer I think. Does that count in your book as acceptable, or are you going to still be grinding on that when you’re old and senile. Oh wait - never mind.

Well I hope you remember yourself Rue. If not, it could be old age and senility setting in.
And why did JKiddo post as a seperate entity for almost 2 years before finally coming clean? I guess my username is the only one on this entire site that can post from multiple computers.

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Monday, October 29, 2012 9:25 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So, did you used to think Rue and SignyM were the same? Just for the record.

Ahem - SignyM announced the JKiddo alternate with the first post. I guess you missed that, then missed the multiple notices afterward. Old age - it sucks to be you, doesn’t it.

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Monday, October 29, 2012 9:29 AM

STORYMARK

Apparently, BDN needed a disclaimer with each and every post. The mind is a terrible thing to waste, kids!

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, October 29, 2012 9:39 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, did you used to think Rue and SignyM were the same? Just for the record.

Yes.

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Ahem - SignyM announced the JKiddo alternate with the first post. I guess you missed that, then missed the multiple notices afterward. Old age - it sucks to be you, doesn’t it.

Actually it was the second post if no post editing has been going on. And why post as both usernames in the same thread?
And why does it matter so much to you what SignyM/JKiddo does?

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Monday, October 29, 2012 9:42 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Apparently, BDN needed a disclaimer with each and every post. The mind is a terrible thing to waste, kids!

A disclaimer for every post should have been warranted, IMHO, unless there was something more nefarious going on.
If you can't be expected to remember Kwickos grammar nitpicks, how am I supposed to remember one user with two usernames who drops a disclaimer every once in awhile?

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Monday, October 29, 2012 9:47 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Apparently, BDN needed a disclaimer with each and every post. The mind is a terrible thing to waste, kids!

A disclaimer for every post should have been warranted, IMHO, unless there was something more nefarious going on.
If you can't be expected to remember Kwickos grammar nitpicks, how am I supposed to remember one user with two usernames who drops a disclaimer every once in awhile?

No one else had too much trouble. Sorry you found it so beyond your ability to follow.

Though I will admit its amusing that you're just so hung up over something that is not only years old and irrelevent, but something no-one gave even a tiny little shit about in the first place.

Crusade away, Mr. Quixote!

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, October 29, 2012 9:52 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
No one else had too much trouble. Sorry you found it so beyond your ability to follow.

Do not be sorry, it is I who should apologize. Now that you are speaking for everyone, I must have been the only one confused.

ETA: In the future, please let me know when you are finished editing your post. That way, I can be sure I am responding to your full post instead of just part of it.

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Monday, October 29, 2012 10:42 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Actually it was the second post if no post editing has been going on. And why post as both usernames in the same thread? "

Going from place to place and computer to computer would be my guess. I'm not entirely sure how this log-on here works, what are its limitations and requirements. And I don't keep track of SignyM all that closely so I can only offer a guess. Apparently you keep closer track than I do. So, why does it matter so much to you what SignyM/JKiddo does?

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Monday, October 29, 2012 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, why does it matter so much to you what SignyM/JKiddo does?

I have been accused of being a sockpuppet on several occassions. A few of our more right leaning members have as well. Like several different real life people could not all possibly be "for this" or "against that".

I was just wondering if perhaps it goes both ways. Perhaps some of the more vocal left leaning members were doing exactly what they were chiding others for supposedly doing. Adding more consenting voices to support their side or some such.

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Monday, October 29, 2012 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yeah, I remember Rue. Didn't people used to think SignyM and Rue were the same? Were you one of them? On, and I thought that whole SignyMJKiddo thing was cleared up - as needing a new log-on for a new computer I think. Does that count in your book as acceptable, or are you going to still be grinding on that when you’re old and senile. Oh wait - never mind.

Well I hope you remember yourself Rue. If not, it could be old age and senility setting in.
And why did JKiddo post as a seperate entity for almost 2 years before finally coming clean? I guess my username is the only one on this entire site that can post from multiple computers.

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Actually it was the second post if no post editing has been going on.

So were you hyperbolizing or lying when you said "almost 2 years"?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, October 29, 2012 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So were you hyperbolizing or lying when you said "almost 2 years"?

Perhaps a little of both. See how easy that was.

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Monday, October 29, 2012 1:03 PM

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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So were you hyperbolizing or lying when you said "almost 2 years"?

Perhaps a little of both. See how easy that was.

So do you have any actual evidence that my Dodge isn't exactly as described?

If yours isn't, I'm happy for you. My previous Dodge, a '95 Ram 1500, was fabulous, right up until it was hit by a drunk driver while parked in my driveway.

This one? Not so much. It will be the last Mopar I ever own, I'm sure.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, October 29, 2012 1:15 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So do you have any actual evidence that my Dodge isn't exactly as described?

None whatsoever. I just try not to generalize too much.

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If yours isn't, I'm happy for you. My previous Dodge, a '95 Ram 1500, was fabulous, right up until it was hit by a drunk driver while parked in my driveway.

So I guess you were lying when you slagged Chrysler. You made statements about the overall quality of all Chrysler products when you yourself knew that to be untrue.

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This one? Not so much. It will be the last Mopar I ever own, I'm sure.

Which, of course, is your perrogative. Although finding a car manufacturer without any issues with their product will be pretty near impossible IMHO.

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Monday, October 29, 2012 1:30 PM

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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So do you have any actual evidence that my Dodge isn't exactly as described?

None whatsoever. I just try not to generalize too much.
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If yours isn't, I'm happy for you. My previous Dodge, a '95 Ram 1500, was fabulous, right up until it was hit by a drunk driver while parked in my driveway.

So I guess you were lying when you slagged Chrysler. You made statements about the overall quality of all Chrysler products when you yourself knew that to be untrue.

Did I?

Did I make statements about the overall quality of ALL Chrysler products? And did I KNOW those statements to be untrue?

According to Geezer, if I didn't know they were untrue, or even if I did, but BELIEVED them to be true, I couldn't be lying.

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This one? Not so much. It will be the last Mopar I ever own, I'm sure.

Which, of course, is your perrogative. Although finding a car manufacturer without any issues with their product will be pretty near impossible IMHO.

I'm not looking for a car manufacturer "without any issues"; I'm looking for a car that doesn't shed parts like my dog sheds fur. But nice strawman.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, October 29, 2012 1:36 PM

Slick.

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Monday, October 29, 2012 1:40 PM

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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
Slick.

No, that's Geezer, apparently.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:07 PM