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The Conservative vision for America: cut infrastructure, let's see what happens...
Sunday, September 29, 2013 12:59 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Gov. Scott Walker vowed that the Leo Frigo Memorial Bridge, which carries Interstate 43 over the Fox River on the north side of Green Bay, will be reopened. But officials Wednesday acknowledged that they have no idea how long it will take to diagnose and fix the problem. “It could be months. It could be a year,” Kim Rudat, the spokesman for the Wisconsin Department of Transportation’s northeast region. The closure, he said, will likely last “for quite some time.” The dip is 400 feet long and a little more than 1½ feet deep, DOT said. It crosses all four lanes of the interstate. http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20130925/GPG0101/309250360/] https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_T5YMjucKgCsinAH84dg1hKQo2_9TVffAbcNJbVSNTsMdUcl8pA This is yet again evidence of how putting off maintenance costs more than any money saved, as the economic impact ripples outward. The governor of Wisconsin, Scott Walker, delayed critical maintenance of the bridge ( http://www.roadsbridges.com/dot-wisconsin-slows-road-construction-activity), even ignoring when cracks were discovered in 2012, and used money for bridge maintenance to instead pay back mutual funds and bankers ( http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2013/sep/01/kathleen-vinehout/gov-scott-walker-responsible-record-debt-payments-/). And it is not as if this was a surprise, as reports explaining the need for $64 billion in critical maintenance, back in 2004. "THE $64 BILLION QUESTION WISCONSIN’S LOOMING INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS", http://www.wpri.org/WIInterest/Vol13no2/Mil13.2.pdf) Beginning in 2004, an array of right-wing think tanks fought for what they called the Taxpayers Bill of Rights, which would in part hurt Wisconsin’s ability to maintain its infrastructure. While this initiative was defeated in 2004 and 2006, it is now the law of the land. Scott Walker has codified the right for Wisconsin citizens to potentially die on unsafe roads, to undermine the state economy, in general giving the citizens of the state a giant middle finger. Meanwhile, in Colorado, the torrential rains resulted in flooding which was made worse by multiple dams which have failed, with dozens more still at risk. Republicans have blocked bills to deal with repair or maintenance on infrastructure throughout the state ( http://www.desdemonadespair.net//feeds/posts/https://www.roadsbridges.com/colorado-governor-blames-republicans-legislative-failure). These efforts, done in the name of "fiscal conservatism", do not save money at all, and wind up costing far more than the money saved. Several bridges and dams had already failed before the flooding ( http://www.coloradodot.info/news/2012-news-releases/08-2012/highway-67-closed-due-to-bridge-failure), which makes the added stress of the current conditions too much to bear. It is reported that over 100 bridges are unsafe ( http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_18684192?source=bb) while the number of dams nearing failure continues to climb ( http://www.damsafety.org/map/state.aspx?s=6), with over 300 dams listed as at-risk, and two dozen as of extreme risk. The department tasked with managing the repairs for dams in the state is woefully understaffed and underbudgeted, and the state Republicans refuse to fund any repairs ( http://www.denverpost.com/ci_17314534) in their push for “small government.” This flies in the face of the reality of aging dam infrastructure across the United States, with 85% to be over a half-century old by 2020. ( http://www.denverpost.com/environment/ci_24080336/dams-break-at-rocky-mountain-arsenal-and-larimer) How many more roads, bridges, dams, etc., have to fail across this nation before we as a society say “enough”? How many lives is enough? These fiscally irresponsible people care nothing about the people they are elected to represent, that much is obvious.
Sunday, September 29, 2013 1:11 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Sunday, September 29, 2013 2:10 PM
CHRISISALL
Sunday, September 29, 2013 2:11 PM
Sunday, September 29, 2013 4:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Boy, what a moronic remark!
Sunday, September 29, 2013 4:37 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Sunday, September 29, 2013 5:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Who needs production and consumption? All THEY need to do is get on the Fed merry-go-round!
Sunday, September 29, 2013 5:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Republicans in general are a shrewd lot. Re-routing money away from maintenance puts money in their pockets, then critical failure puts money in their friend's pockets. Screwing the taxpayers is a win/win situation.
Sunday, September 29, 2013 5:25 PM
Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:54 PM
Monday, September 30, 2013 2:43 AM
OONJERAH
Monday, September 30, 2013 9:14 AM
Quote:...the core of the problem comes back to the federal gas tax, which hasn't been raised since 1993 and loses purchasing power to inflation every day. These two lost decades of road taxes are the reason the Highway Trust Fund, which is supposed to cover road costs, is expected to fail in 2015. European countries take in far more road revenue than they spend. As a result, the road system in Europe can be (and is) used to subsidize other public programs. That's the opposite case of the United States. http://m.theatlanticcities.com/commute/2013/09/these-2-charts-prove-american-drivers-dont-pay-enough-roads/6917/]
Monday, September 30, 2013 11:05 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Boy, what a moronic remark! Well, it's not like he can actually address the issue without sounding even less bright...
Monday, September 30, 2013 12:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Its funny to watch, though. When even he can't deny the right has fucked something up - he refuses to engage on topic, and finds some way to twist it around to support the same ideology that caused the problem.
Monday, September 30, 2013 2:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Its funny to watch, though. When even he can't deny the right has fucked something up - he refuses to engage on topic, and finds some way to twist it around to support the same ideology that caused the problem.After the Rehooligans shut down the government tomorrow, it'll be fascinating to hear Rappy's take on how Obama caused it...
Monday, September 30, 2013 4:54 PM
Monday, September 30, 2013 5:34 PM
Monday, September 30, 2013 7:08 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: After the Rehooligans shut down the government tomorrow,
Monday, September 30, 2013 8:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: HA! Of course he repeats the "He'll talk to Iranians" line! Apparently, the many meetings have been erased from time.
Monday, September 30, 2013 10:09 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Monday, September 30, 2013 11:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: "Rehooligans" ... Wow! Bet it took ya a whole centon to think of that dastardly label.
Monday, September 30, 2013 11:06 PM
Quote:Love how you ask for cites, then upon seeing I've already given you one
Monday, September 30, 2013 11:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Please brother.... tell me that you equate ALL government with this disdain and not just the "right".....
Monday, September 30, 2013 11:27 PM
Quote:Please brother.... tell me that you equate ALL government with this disdain and not just the "right"...
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