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Cantor: House to Vote on GOP Obamacare Alternative

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Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:19 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Heeere we go again…
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CAMBRIDGE, Md. — Seeking to distinguish themselves as a party of alternatives, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said Republicans will vote on an alternative to President Barack Obama’s health care law this year.

“House Republicans will rally around an alternative to Obamacare and put it on the floor and pass it this year,” he said.

The discussion among Republicans, however, has centered on whether they should produce lengthy bills during an election year when the party has as close to a sure lock on maintaining a majority in the House.

National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Greg Walden told reporters that any time you produce legislation you risk facing backlash, but he said he prefers for his candidates to have policy to defend on the campaign trail.

“I think as a party, if we’re seen as the opposition party and we spend all our time talking about what we’re opposed to, we miss a great opportunity to actually woo voters over to our side,” the Oregon Republican said. “You need something positive to run on.” http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/cantor-house-to-vote-on-gop-obamacare-al
ternative
/


When you think of all the things they COULD be doing for the country…sigh…

But yeah, of course; the most important thing is how you look on the campaign trail.

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Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:24 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


So you've been complaining that the Republicans won't provide an alternative to the ACA, and now you're complaining that they are.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:36 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Nope; they still haven't provided one, just hinting they will...and at this point, the ACA IS THE LAW OF THE LAND, so if they're putting a lot of time and effort into coming up with some kind of "alternative", and doing so because it looks good to get them re-elected, that's just stupid. What would they be proposing; cancel the insurance of all those people who now have insurance through the ACA and start from scratch???

Which no doubt is precisely what they're going to do.

When everyone was WORKING ON the idea of fixing healthcare, and right up to the time it was implemented, yeah, a viable alternative would have been a good thing, but they didn't HAVE one, all they did was screw with our government year after year passing bills to eliminate it WHICH THEY KNEW WOULD NEVER PASS, screaming about "death panels", lying and trying every trick in the book...including shutting down the government...to get rid of it. NOW they're going to come up with an alternative??

What they're saying is clear as day, and they're SAYING it VERY CLEARLY: " if we’re seen as the opposition party and we spend all our time talking about what we’re opposed to, we miss a great opportunity to actually woo voters…You need something positive to run on"; "he prefers for his candidates to have policy to defend on the campaign trail".

How you can find any way to defend them is beyond reason.


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Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:49 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
...and at this point, the ACA IS THE LAW OF THE LAND...



So was Prohibition, at one point.

Laws, in case you haven't noticed, change.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Friday, January 31, 2014 12:11 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.





RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies



And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.

I feel so vindicated.


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Friday, January 31, 2014 12:37 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Apparently the GOP is already re-thinking that "alternative":
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GOP Quietly Alters Its Obamacare Alternative To Scrap Huge Tax Hike

It appears that the Senate Republicans who put forward their own alternative to Obamacare have quietly refined their proposal, undoing what would have been a significant tax increase on most Americans.

The apparent change centers on the plan's tax treatment of health insurance. Right now, health insurance contributions by employees and their employers are not taxed; the GOP wanted to include a cap on how much of those contributions can remain untaxed.

But the devil is in the details. The original eight-page proposal released by the Senate Republicans ( http://www.scribd.com/doc/202598856/Senate-GOP-Obamacare-Alternative) -- Richard Burr of North Carolina, Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, and Orrin Hatch of Utah -- said that the new cap would be "65 percent of an average plan's costs." Health policy experts told TPM that this would likely result in a big tax increase on most Americans and some would probably lose their insurance.

"It's obviously a substantial increase on people who get employer-sponsored insurance," Gary Claxton, vice president at the non-partisan Kaiser Family Foundation, told TPM of the original proposal. "This would be a meaningful hit on people. It's a big radical change. This is not an incremental thing, and it affects most people under 65."

The Congressional Budget Office recently analyzed ( http://www.cbo.gov/budget-options/2013/44903) a similar, though not identical, proposal and estimated that it would raise $613 billion in revenue over nine years, while six million people would lose their employer coverage in the five years after it took effect.

The initial reporting on the GOP's new proposal, by the Washington Post and National Journal as well as TPM, highlighted that the plan would likely lead to many Americans paying more for their insurance. National Journal observed that, under the GOP's plan as originally proposed, if you had an average health plan, you'd pay taxes on 35 percent of its costs.

It seems the Senate Republicans noticed this problem -- a significant tax increase on average Americans isn't likely to be a winner when the GOP has spent years decrying Obamacare's impact on the middle class -- and changed the proposal's specifics accordingly. Or they realized how poorly they worded the original proposal and sought to clarify their intentions. It's impossible to say, and their offices declined to explain.

Some time after the original proposal was released Monday, a new one-page explainer on the tax provisions appeared on Coburn's website ( http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public//index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_
id=ee64bd80-5830-4c9b-acd5-b4225cbc1cd8
). And it included a huge change. The cap would now be "65 percent of the average market price for an expensive high-option plan" instead of just "an average plan's costs," as the original proposal said. Coburn's office did not return multiple requests for comment on the proposal's tax provisions. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/gop-obamacare-alternative-tax-increase



I agree with many of the comments:
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"Look, look, we have an alternative. *whisper, whisper* No wait, that won't work." Rinse, repeat

This proposal is 4 years late and short by a mile. It is DOA.

What is it about the ACA these guys hate so much? The affordable part? The insurance part? Or is it the healthcare part? And why now? Why didn't they offer this nonstarter 4 years ago?

LOL by the time they are done amending and retinkering they'll arrive at...wait for it...Romneybamacare!

My question is: How do they make up the lost revenue needed to pay for their plan?

I see the GOP hasn't lost its gift for voodoo economics.

They're expanding into voodoo health care policy.



And especially this one, from "THX1138" (how many get the reference?): "I wish someone in the GOP would just finally admit to the predicament that they're in. There is no real alternative to ACA, unless you're going further left (single payer). The ACA was their plan. Obama Goddamned passed the Republican plan for healthcare reform. But true to GOP fashion, this thoroughly escapes them and they go full retard with the over-the-top rhetoric because "we HATE Obama (all hail Ben Ghazi!)". As others have said, this is just one massive corner they've painted themselves into and they just look like idiots trying to side step out of it. The sad part? That a large chunk of the populace will buy into their bullshit and still continue to vote (R)."


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