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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is video in there that you'll NEVER find in the western press.

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Or is there something farther on in the video that's actually surprising?

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They're telling the truth, as they see it. In order to understand what the other side thinks, you have to LISTEN TO THEM.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So ... if they're not videotaped actual events ... do you think they were they staged, like the moon landing? Just wondering what you consider those videotapes to be.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Fuck Ukraine. The sins of their parents and grandparents doomed them all long ago.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Fuck Ukraine. The sins of their parents and grandparents doomed them all long ago.

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What sins ? Being starved to death by Stalin ?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I know you think it's propaganda. It is. But the people who're being interviewed aren't lying...

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
This time around the US is supporting the fascists. Pardon me - people striving for democracy - because, apparently - free and fair elections aren't it.

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Yet Moscow still (foolishly?) believes international law should be respected — presenting to the UN Security Council classified information on all Western intel/psy-ops moves leading to the coup in Kiev, including "training" provided by Poland and Lithuania, not to mention Turkish intelligence involvement in setting up a second coup in Crimea. Russian diplomats called for an unbiased international investigation. That will never happen; Washington's narrative would be completely debunked. Thus a U.S. veto at the UN.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I know you think it's propaganda. It is. But the people who're being interviewed aren't lying...

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And your proof of this is???

You do realize that RT is the mouthpiece of the Russian government, don't you?

I guess I should ask...

Who are you and what have you done with our SignyM?

SignyM at least showed a modicum of critical thinking rather than taking anyone's word at face value.

Whoever you are... you don't.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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This is an event that separates the fascists like rappy from the true libertarians like Jongsstraw, with whom I (curiously, and once again) find myself 100% in agreement.

Rappy is doing the same thing as Obama... on the wrong side, drawing meaningless red lines in the sand.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Lurch is a pathetic windbag, but further escalating threats would be worse. Crimea is gone. It's part of Russia now. If Putin wants the rest of Ukraine he may have to fight for it. The Ukrainians might even give him a few surprises. We should not get involved.

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That was one big ass cat, but I think, maybe ... perhaps, I might have been able to stand up to the brute without calling 911.

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KIEV AND THE WEST CALL CRIMEAN VOTE A "SHAM"
The government in Kiev called the Crimean referendum a "sham". Citing territorial integrity, the government in Kiev - which has yet to stand for election- said it would refuse to recognize the vote, and that Crimea should be returned to the Ukraine.

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KIEV SEEKS CONTROL OF EASTERN UKRAINE
Through a series of coordinated actions by the far-right Kiev government security appointees, the Secretary of National Security and Defence Parubiy (Svoboda), The Secretary of National Security Yarsoh (Right Sector), Deputy Rrime Minister Sych (Svoboda), Acting Chief Prosecutor Makhnitskyy (Svoboda), Security Services Chief Nalyvaichencko, and Minister of Defence Tenhyuk (Svoboda) have embarked on a program of troop repositioning and preventive indictments against potential pro-Russian movements.

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MORE RUSSIAN-SPEAKING PROVINCES ARRANGE FOR REFERENDA
Russian-speaking Ukrainian troops battle Ukrainian-speaking troops from Kiev and take control of government buildings in Donetsk and other eastern Urkainian cities. Newly appointed "people's governors" arrange for referenda on thefuture of their city, or province.

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KIEV CLAIMS RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN DONETSK AND OTHER EASTERN CITIES, SENDS IN MORE TROOPS
Kiev has claimed that Russian troops, disguised as pro-Russian militants, have taken over government buildings and have shot several Ukrainian citizens. Kiev sends in additional troops from western Ukraine to quell these disturbances and oust the invaders.

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ON REQUEST FROM PROVISIONAL GOVERNMENTS OF EAST UKRAINE, RUSSIA SENDS IN TROOPS
These troops cross the border to "protect Russian citizens".

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THE WEST PLACES ADDITIONAL SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA
In addition to visa restrictions and asset freezes, the West places a general banking freeze on Russian transactions.

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RUSSIA PLACES COUNTER-SANCTIONS ON THE WEST
The sale of natural gas is restricted. Russian businesses owing money to western banks and enterprises default. Russia begins a massive US Treasuries sale.

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KIEV DELAYS NATIONAL ELECTIONS
Citing national security, the transitional government of Kiev has canceled national elections indefinitely. When asked whether this would effect aid and loan guarantees from the West, and IMF loans, western sources and IMF head Christine Lagarde said they did not foresee any difficulty with the Ukrainian government being able to maintain its financial authority over the nation. There are many upcoming agreements to be signed with the EU.

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KIEV ANNOUNCES AUSTERITY
Because of the cutoff of natural gas deliveries and the subsequent price hike, the transitional Prime Minister, Arseniy Yatseniuk, has announced that natural gas subsidies would be cut back significantly. The IMF has insisted, as it has done with most of its governmental loans, that subsidies be cut in order to shore up governmental finances. Yatseniuk, himself a banker and favored by the United States to head the transitional government, has full authority to obtain loans and sign international agreements, according to the EU and the USA.

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MAIDAN SQUARE ERUPTS AGAIN

THE SVOBODA-PARTY IN CHARGE OF INTERNAL SECURITY BEGINS THE ROUNDUP OF DISAFFECTED UKRAINIANS

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And your proof of this is??? You do realize that RT is the mouthpiece of the Russian government, don't you?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Meanwhile, our friends and allies in Eastern Europe are scare it-less , seeing a return to the bad old days of Soviet domination. Barry sends Mr Ketchup over there, to exchange prezzies w/ his Russian counterpart, and reassure them that we mean them no harm. Utterly pathetic. Apparently the concept of being able to negotiate peace through a position of power ( not even military ) is beyond them.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

This is an event that separates the fascists like rappy from the true libertarians like Jongsstraw, with whom I (curiously, and once again) find myself 100% in agreement.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I guess you don't know what fascism is?

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Oh I am sure they do, they just don't CALL it that when they do it, cause they're gutless, perfidous scum who don't even have the minimal amount of courage required to own up to their own conduct even on the internet, safely free of real life consequence, because of their absolute terror of ever being held accountable in any way for their words and deeds, and the awful damage their jackboot licking inflicts about the world around them.

Seriously, one might remember these are the same scum which deny fellating the Bush adminstration when we WATCHED THEM DO IT, so expecting them to have any more moral courage than a pirahna infested toilet bowl is kind of a futile proposition to begin with - and the only term that really applies to the gutless motherfuckers... is quisling.

Me, I stand behind what I believe, regardless of the odds, but them, they stand for NOTHING but worship of power, and licking the boots of those who have it, period.

And they should be treated accordingly, thrown under the bus at the first opportunity by any power which realizes how STUPID it is to leave such gullible dumbfucks laying around for someone else to manipulate, or skinned alive and torched by people betrayed one too many times by such scum begging for oppression because as mentally damaged Authoritarian slime, they know of no other social concept.

Me, I am ALL FOR skinned and torched, and would have utterly no problem whatever doing it with my own two hands, given the atrocities they have historically enabled, and continue to enable.

CHEAP AT THE PRICE.

-Frem

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Oh I am sure they do, they just don't CALL it that when they do it, cause they're gutless, perfidous scum who don't even have the minimal amount of courage required to own up to their own conduct even on the internet, safely free of real life consequence, because of their absolute terror of ever being held accountable in any way for their words and deeds, and the awful damage their jackboot licking inflicts about the world around them.

Seriously, one might remember these are the same scum which deny fellating the Bush adminstration when we WATCHED THEM DO IT, so expecting them to have any more moral courage than a pirahna infested toilet bowl is kind of a futile proposition to begin with - and the only term that really applies to the gutless motherfuckers... is quisling.

Me, I stand behind what I believe, regardless of the odds, but them, they stand for NOTHING but worship of power, and licking the boots of those who have it, period.

And they should be treated accordingly, thrown under the bus at the first opportunity by any power which realizes how STUPID it is to leave such gullible dumbfucks laying around for someone else to manipulate, or skinned alive and torched by people betrayed one too many times by such scum begging for oppression because as mentally damaged Authoritarian slime, they know of no other social concept.

Me, I am ALL FOR skinned and torched, and would have utterly no problem whatever doing it with my own two hands, given the atrocities they have historically enabled, and continue to enable.

CHEAP AT THE PRICE.

-Frem

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Putin, pissed and threatened? How dumb are we? He looks for a fight, he loves a fight. He fights dirty, there's no ethics just pain and fighting. He loves being an angry sh*t. He'll stop when he feels he's proven his point - "don't mess with me." I'm guessing he was kicked around and beaten as a child - he has that blind payback kind of rage and determination. What's his record btw?

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but I never for once believe their details when it comes to speculation for cuase.

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Oh I am sure they do, they just don't CALL it that when they do it, cause they're gutless, perfidous scum who don't even have the minimal amount of courage required to own up to their own conduct even on the internet, safely free of real life consequence, because of their absolute terror of ever being held accountable in any way for their words and deeds, and the awful damage their jackboot licking inflicts about the world around them. - FREM
One more thing Aunt Fremima ... the next knock on your door may just be some FBI - BAU (Behavioral Analysis Unit) folks wanting to talk to you and take a look around. I forwarded your post to them in Quantico.- JONGSS

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I have to agree with SignyM, your description of Putin sounds - well, like fantasy, frankly.

He's not a dirty brawler who lives to fight, he's a chess-master who calculates cost and benefit, and plays a long game. Like China.

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