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Thursday, May 1, 2014 1:55 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote: “This is where socialized medicine always goes and some of our friends say, ‘We don’t have to worry about Obamacare, it will fall of its own weight.’ No, it doesn’t. Socialism and communism fall of their own weight because, as Margaret Thatcher said, you run out of other people’s money. Because socialized medicine never falls of its own weight because you put people on lists and they die waiting to get the treatment and care. So, you don’t go broke.” http://aattp.org/tea-party-lunatic-obamacare-puts-you-on-lists-to-die-video/
Quote: “In this administration nobody pays the price. They get reassigned, they get a better job…” Gohmert rambled, “Did you see what happened in South Korea? It was so atrocious. We shouldn’t have to wait until 2016 to get justice here because if our Speaker will step up to the plate — allow us to have a select committee on Benghazi so we can get to the bottom of that, allow us to have a select committee to get the bottom of what has been happening at the VA under this administration and any other administration… and then also to have a special prosecutor set up to get to the bottom of the IRS scandal.”Same
Quote: One of Beck's guests pointed out that Clinton "came out" in favor of gay marriage last year—phrasing that Beck seized upon with aplomb. "Hillary came out last year?" he asked incredulously. "Because I didn't think that had been officially ...," he trailed off. Beck continued with a quip about Clinton's hypothetical sexual relations in the Oval Office. "I'm telling you, Hillary Clinton will be having sex with a woman on the White House desk if it becomes popular," he said, to his colleagues' chuckles. "She will be! She'll be like, 'Look, the arc of history wasn't ready for a president to be a lesbian and have sex on the desk.' " http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/glenn-beck-hillary-clinton-would-have-sex-with-a-woman-on-the-white-house-desk-for-popularity-20140430
Quote:Sarah Palin: Anti-Christian If you want a classic example of political Christianism – and its active hostility to spiritual Christianity – it’s hard to beat Sarah Palin’s remarks yesterday. I offered a brief response last night, but this obscenity needs to be unpacked some more. And the first thing to say is that a former US vice-presidential candidate did not just endorse a war crime; she endorsed it as routine for every human being suspected of terrorism. And she seems to endorse it as an introduction to captivity. “Waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists” is a glib statement but a revealing one. Baptism is the beginning of something, an introduction. And so torturing prisoners accused of terrorism is a signature of the America Palin believes in. It’s how we welcome them to our prison camps. Now look how far we have come from the original notion – pioneered by Charles Krauthammer and popularized by “24? – that torture should only be used in the hypothetical ticking time-bomb case. That argument – only ever hypothetical – nonetheless assumes that torture is evil and should only be used in extremis to prevent imminent catastrophe. Palin, in contrast, like her party, has long since blown past such niceties. She believes that torture should be the first resort – a sign of how America treats its foes, a badge of honor. What can one say but that this is a bona fide fascistic sentiment. It revels in violence against individuals tied down by their hands and feet and strapped to a terrifying board in order to be suffocated hundreds of times to near-death. It is the kind of statement you might expect from the Khmer Rouge, or from the Chinese Communists who perfected “stress positions”, or from the Nazis, whose Gestapo pioneered “enhanced interrogation”, i.e. brutal torture that would leave no physical traces. Except it’s worse than that. Even totalitarian regimes have publicly denied their torture. Their reticence and lies are some small concession of vice to the appearance of virtue. Not Palin – who wants to celebrate brutal torture as the American way. And then she manages to go one step further. She invokes torture in the context of a Christian sacrament. Not since the Nazis’ Deutsche Christen have we seen something so disgusting and blasphemous in the morphing of Christianity into its polar opposite. Excerpts from http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/04/28/the-pernicious-poison-of-palin-ctd/
Quote: For anyone to confess Christ as their savior and to compare one of the means of God's grace to an act of torture is reprehensible. I hope members of Gov. Palin's local church will explain to her why her remarks denigrate the Christian faith. Such remarks bring shame on the Body of Christ and to our witness in the world. Even more shameful, however, is the fact that so many Christians would cheer her support of torture (and yes, waterboarding is torture). Gov. Palin was attempting to appeal to the basest political populism (nothing in her remarks could be construed as genuinely conservative) by claiming that current U.S. counterterrorism policy is overly-tolerant and empathetic toward our enemies. She contends that proper policies would "put the fear of God into our enemies." Unfortunately, what Palin is proposing is a mixture of pagan ethics and civil deistic religion. She could have provided a more useful recommendation by supporting a Christian view, for on this issue in particular, Christian anthropology not only provides the correct view but the only one that can provide an adequate framework in which to form our conception of our "enemies." The truly Christian position is to never forget that evil comes not just from the actions of "terrorists" or "enemies" but from the heart of fallen, sacred yet degraded, human beings. If we are to preserve our own humanity we must not forget that our enemy differs from us in degree, not in kind. Like us, our enemies need to accept Jesus and to be baptized by water and the Spirit. That is the Christian way, not as Palin would have it, to have our enemies fear a pagan god and have their spirit broken by water. Excerpts from http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2014/04/27/is-waterboarding-how-we-baptize-terrorists-sarah-palin-enemies-and-christian-anthropology/
Quote:In a speech Saturday to the National Rifle Association, Sarah Palin said that "if I were in charge, they would know that waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists." The audience roared with approval. This is what we've come to in America: A former candidate for vice-president can equate torture and Holy Baptism, and one of the nation's most powerful political lobbies erupts into cheers and applause. As usual, Palin's remarks are already making international headlines, once again portraying Christianity as a religion of hatred and violence. But this time, let's show just how many Christians are appalled by Palin's twisted misrepresentation of our faith. We're launching a statement to the media, denouncing her remarks and setting the record straight about baptism, torture, and violence. Sign the Petition: "For Christians, torture is not a joke or a political punchline, but a ghastly reminder of the suffering of Jesus upon the cross. By equating it with Holy Baptism -- the act by which we are united with Christ in his death and resurrection -- Sarah Palin is blasphemously twisting our faith into a weapon of hatred and violence. No media outlet should cover her remarks without reporting on how sincere Christians of all theological and political persuasions are appalled." http://act.faithfulamerica.org/sign/palinwaterboarding?referring_akid=314.270145.HQkiIp&source=facebook
Thursday, May 1, 2014 3:22 PM
REAVERFAN
Thursday, May 1, 2014 3:55 PM
MIKER
Once I found Serenity
Thursday, May 1, 2014 4:02 PM
CHRISISALL
Thursday, May 1, 2014 4:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by G: Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Yeah, great stuff here. I disagree Chris - it just shows how the crazies are more inclined to seek public office, to try and create change and policy than sensical, modern, progressive folk. Sorry, no punchline, it's the country we live in right now - nuckin' futters have more ambition, more scratch, try harder. And if they take the initiative and regular people (who are they any more?) don't, then isn't it Right and Democratic that the Nutters should rule?
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Yeah, great stuff here.
Thursday, May 1, 2014 10:11 PM
Thursday, May 1, 2014 11:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: ..."juryman during"? Mikers, d'ja mean "gerrymandering"?
Thursday, May 1, 2014 11:17 PM
Friday, May 2, 2014 7:03 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Friday, May 2, 2014 7:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I find it hardly fair to cast a shadow on the entire group for something she said.
Friday, May 2, 2014 7:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I find it hardly fair to cast a shadow on the entire group for something she said. She was the chosen darling of the Right, a VP candidate no less, YES, her comments reflect on them, and in their panic they finally realize how detrimental she is.
Friday, May 2, 2014 8:04 AM
Friday, May 2, 2014 9:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: ..."juryman during"? Mikers, d'ja mean "gerrymandering"? I'm kinda guessing that's what you mean, given your description, and yeah, it's part of the problem. But both sides have always done that; the GOP got real smart about it, last time around, granted, and they got smart by focusing on statewide offices, where the Dems certainly dropped the ball big time, too. But there's also all that, you know, MONEY floating around, and Citizens United, and ALEC, and FauxNews, which I think have something to do with it... Just sayin'... ;-) Personally, I think it might also have something to do with the mentality of the country, which as I see it hasn't been improving (or getting more educated!) for some time now... I disagree with G, I don't think it's "right" or democratic that they should wield the power they do, I think it's a damned shame and an embarrassment for our country.
Friday, May 2, 2014 9:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: This wasn't one of her greatest moments. We can admonish her for THIS ONE COMMENT, and not throw her out.
Friday, May 2, 2014 11:49 AM
Friday, May 2, 2014 12:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Mikers, "Personally I think the climate is going to lead to changes in how we work together." I would love to believe you're right; unfortunately it's been going the other way for so long, I've given up hope of it getting any better, at least in my lifetime.
Friday, May 2, 2014 12:11 PM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: ...I find it hardly fair to cast a shadow on the entire group for something she said. You really want to go down this road, w/ crazy ass stuff from Leftists say, and how that reflects on ALL the Left ?
Friday, May 2, 2014 12:28 PM
Friday, May 2, 2014 12:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Our very own Master of Hypocrisy.
Friday, May 2, 2014 12:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Amusing, isn't it, Mark? With total predictability, Rap claims "one remark" by the Darling of the Right can't reflect the entire right, while he consistently, routinely, habitually portrays anything said by anyone even possibly "left" as representing the entire Left. Our very own Master of Hypocrisy.
Friday, May 2, 2014 1:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Some days, Im very thankful that I cannot reach through the internet and stab a motherfucker.
Friday, May 2, 2014 2:10 PM
BIGDAMNNOBODY
Friday, May 2, 2014 2:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY: I thought Auraptor was an attention seeking troll who you all continuosly say should be ignored.
Friday, May 2, 2014 4:55 PM
OONJERAH
Quote:Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY: I thought Auraptor was an attention seeking troll who you all continuosly say should be ignored. .... It's too bad there isn't a minimum I.Q. requirement to access the internet.
Friday, May 2, 2014 5:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY: It's too bad there isn't a minimum I.Q. requirement to access the internet.
Friday, May 2, 2014 5:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Oonjerah: Quote:Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY: I thought Auraptor was an attention seeking troll who you all continuosly say should be ignored. .... It's too bad there isn't a minimum I.Q. requirement to access the internet. Freedom of speech = Tower of Babel. ... Could lead to Mob Rule. ... oooOO}{OOooo ... I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.
Friday, May 2, 2014 6:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by MIKER: I found the meaning of life. Curly from the movie City Slickers with Billy Crystal said what it was. It is one thing, the meaning of life is the first digit next to your thumb.
Friday, May 2, 2014 6:45 PM
Friday, May 2, 2014 7:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY: It's too bad there isn't a minimum I.Q. requirement to access the internet. Funny, since you'd miss the mark.
Friday, May 2, 2014 8:08 PM
Quote:Conservative Christian leader David Barton wants to ban women from voting. A so-called “historian” who Glenn Beck hired to teach at his online university insisted this week that women had originally been denied the right to vote “to keep the family together,” and for the good of “the entire culture and society.” On the Thursday broadcast of Wallbuilders Live, David Barton explained that biblical principles — and not sexism — were behind not allowing women to vote prior to 1920. “So family government precedes civil government and you watch that as colonists came to America, they voted by families,” he said. “And you have to remember back then, husband and wife, I mean the two were considered one. That is the biblical precept… That is a family, that is voting. And so the head of the family is traditionally considered to be the husband and even biblically still continues to be so.” Barton asserted that denying women the right to vote was necessary for “a strong culture, a strong society, and it was based on a strong family that preceded government. And they crafted their policies to protect a strong family.” http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/01/christian-historian-allowing-women-to-vote-hurts-the-entire-culture-and-society/
Saturday, May 3, 2014 10:29 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Palin has said so MANY things that are beyond the pale, this is nothing surprising.
Saturday, May 3, 2014 10:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: David Barton is the founder of Wallbuilders, an organization that seeks to destroy the separation of church of state.
Sunday, May 4, 2014 8:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Meanwhile, back to the subject of this thread. Here's the latest (well, it's the latest as I write this, but I'm sure there's more):Quote:Conservative Christian leader David Barton wants to ban women from voting. A so-called “historian” who Glenn Beck hired to teach at his online university insisted this week that women had originally been denied the right to vote “to keep the family together,” and for the good of “the entire culture and society.” On the Thursday broadcast of Wallbuilders Live, David Barton explained that biblical principles — and not sexism — were behind not allowing women to vote prior to 1920. “So family government precedes civil government and you watch that as colonists came to America, they voted by families,” he said. “And you have to remember back then, husband and wife, I mean the two were considered one. That is the biblical precept… That is a family, that is voting. And so the head of the family is traditionally considered to be the husband and even biblically still continues to be so.” Barton asserted that denying women the right to vote was necessary for “a strong culture, a strong society, and it was based on a strong family that preceded government. And they crafted their policies to protect a strong family.” http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/01/christian-historian-allowing-women-to-vote-hurts-the-entire-culture-and-society/ David Barton is the founder of Wallbuilders, an organization that seeks to destroy the separation of church of state.
Sunday, May 4, 2014 8:39 PM
Sunday, May 4, 2014 8:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Oonjerah: Quote:Originally posted by MIKER: I found the meaning of life. Curly from the movie City Slickers with Billy Crystal said what it was. It is one thing, the meaning of life is the first digit next to your thumb. re: Walter Jack Palance the meaning of life is just One Thing, & it's for Me to decide. Yes? And while Curly appeared to win the Academy Award, it was actually owed to Jack Wilson in Shane. IMO. An old debt. ... oooOO}{OOooo ... I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.
Sunday, May 4, 2014 8:57 PM
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