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Thursday, June 12, 2014 2:12 PM

CHRISISALL


I can't believe this place. I was just listening to the radio in my car, and it was a program on school shooting safety awareness. There are teams now that go around to schools here in the U.S. and give training to students and faculty as to how to conduct themselves in the event of a shooter entering their schools. Makes the old duck-N-cover of the Sixties seem kind of fun, eh?
Next up: kevlar vests with your school logo on them.
?

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 2:15 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Great idea w/ the Kevlar & school logo.

I'd buy that.

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 2:17 PM

CHRISISALL


For a dollar?



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Thursday, June 12, 2014 2:44 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
For a dollar?






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Thursday, June 12, 2014 2:52 PM

CHRISISALL


OMFG. This is ruttin' REAL.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/12/bulletproof-blankets-body_n_5
479885.html


Quote:


Sales Of Bulletproof Blankets Beat Maker's 'Wildest Expectations'

"If mass shootings weren't such an integrated part of our culture, you'd think this was an SNL skit or an Onion article," Caroline Moss of Business Insider wrote of the product.


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Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:05 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


We got the "workplace violence" edition of the same stuff from the head security guy during new employee orientation at my current job. Not a comfortable introduction to the place or my fellow workers.

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 4:57 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Back in my day, problems with school mates were settled with words or fists, not guns.

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 6:32 PM

WHOZIT


Has replaced having kids crawl under their desks to save them from a nuke attack.

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 6:48 PM

CHRISISALL


Getting a gun license should be as difficult (though not as costly) as getting a pilot's license.
Illegal weapons dealers should be facing life sentences.
Period.

Next up: Kids don't attend schools physically any more due to the possible danger and do all their participation in class via thirty-way online Class Chat (c).
?

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 6:50 PM

THGRRI


Their are 1.4 school shootings a WEEK in this country. There have been 74 since Sandy Hook.

si shen

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:46 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Thread title sounds like a NRA musical

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:55 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Thread title sounds like a NRA musical

It's actually a line from 'RoboCop'.
Kind of the same thing in a way...

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:59 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

Getting a gun license should be as difficult (though not as costly) as getting a pilot's license.


Riiiiight! Require a few hundred hours on the range, and then a "solo" on a liquor store robbery.

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:04 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER



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Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:08 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Riiiiight! Require a few hundred hours on the range, and then a "solo" on a liquor store robbery.

I was thinking more like one-on-one training so the trainer could get to KNOW the trainee & possibly spot REALLY FUCKED-UP psychological shit that might compell the gun owner to shoot kids, or something like that...

But that's a money thing. I know folks never want to spend money on PREVENTING shit.
Clean-up creates JOBS.

(not dumping on YOU here, Jongs, just so you know)

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:21 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Riiiiight! Require a few hundred hours on the range, and then a "solo" on a liquor store robbery.

I was thinking more like one-on-one training so the trainer could get to KNOW the trainee & possibly spot REALLY FUCKED-UP psychological shit that might compell the gun owner to shoot kids, or something like that...

But that's a money thing. I know folks never want to spend money on PREVENTING shit.
Clean-up creates JOBS.

(not dumping on YOU here, Jongs, just so you know)


So gun sellers and shooting trainers will need to be qualified mental health experts? Ok, and let's do the same for driver's licenses, marriage licenses, human procreation, and a plethora of activities that are potentially dangerous and deadly to innocents that are abused and preyed upon by sociopaths, alcoholics, and drug addicts.

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:43 PM

CHRISISALL


Okay.

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:55 PM

JONGSSTRAW


L'etat, c'est nous!

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:00 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


How to get a driving licence in my state:

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Licences/GetYourPs/Howtogetyourpro
bationarycarlicence.htm


A car probationary licence allows you to drive a car solo on the road. The probationary licence is valid for 3 or 4 years or until you obtain a full driver licence.


How old must I be to get a probationary licence?
You must be at least 18 years of age and a Victorian resident to be eligible to apply for a probationary licence. You will need to pass a Hazard Perception Test and Drive Test at a VicRoads Customer Service Centre.


Learner permit holding period requirements and supervised driving experience
There are different requirements you must meet before applying for a probationary licence, depending on your age and when you obtained your learner permit:

if you are under the age of 21, you must have held your learner permit for at least twelve months in the period immediately before applying for a licence and completed a minimum of 120 hours (including at least 10 hours at night) of driving with an experienced driver. You must have recorded these hours in an official Learner Log Book signed by you and your supervising experienced driver.
if you are 21 years of age or over, or obtained your learner permit before 1 July 2007, you will not be required to complete 120 hours of supervised driving or submit an official Learner Log Book
if you are over 21 years of age but under 25 years of age, you must have held your learner permit for at least six months in the period immediately before applying for a licence.
if you are 25 years of age or over you must have held your learner permit for at least three months in the period immediately before applying for a licence.

At any age, it is important that you get as much driving experience as possible, 120 hours at least, so that you become a safer driver, before you apply for your probationary licence.

These requirements apply unless you have been granted an exemption from the learner permit minimum holding period with other conditions.

Evidence of identity
On the day of your test you need to bring your current car learner permit as evidence of identity.


Medical conditions
You will need to complete the relevant medical forms if you have a particular medical condition or take prescribed medication that may affect your ability to drive safely.

You must provide a medical report and get clearance from VicRoads Medical Review before you can be issued with a licence. If you are not sure whether you need to supply a medical report please call VicRoads Medical Review on 9854 2407.


Hazard Perception Test
The Hazard Perception Test checks that you can recognise and react to various traffic hazards such as other vehicles, pedestrians and cyclists.

To attempt the hazard perception test, you must be at least 17 years and 11 months of age. The test results are valid for 12 months. You must do this test before you attempt the Drive Test. If you don't pay for your licence within 12 months of passing, you will have to sit the test again.


Drive Test
The Drive Test helps identify drivers who are ready to drive safely on their own. It checks that you can drive safely and efficiently with other traffic. You must be able to control the car smoothly, obey the road rules and cooperate with other road users.


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Thursday, June 12, 2014 10:39 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
L'etat, c'est nous!


Stupide stupide British homme.

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 10:43 PM

WISHIMAY


I guess when most of the wild life there is trying to kill you, they think you should have to have a good chance of being able to kill it back, but with yer car???

That's the only reason I can think of for all that

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 10:48 PM

CHRISISALL


It's all Mad Max down under. Great drivers! OY!

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:01 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
I guess when most of the wild life there is trying to kill you, they think you should have to have a good chance of being able to kill it back, but with yer car???

That's the only reason I can think of for all that




Hysterical.

Seriously, do you yanks get your drivers licence from cereal packets?

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:03 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
So gun sellers and shooting trainers will need to be qualified mental health experts?

Totally seriously here, no. BUT. If you (and I mean a person like you or me) talk to a dude for an hour or two, you can plainly see if they are borderline crazy or not. I've talked to lots of folks, and some I wouldn't trust with a bb gun let alone a real firearm. I'm just sayin' that good people should pass along a need for further study. A shooting trainer that sees a trainee cry & laugh every time he gets a bullseye, or hears how his girlfriend needs to RESPECT him, or how he HATES this or that or hears nothing at all like he's training a Terminator needs to raise a flag.
Am I being fascist here??




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Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:12 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Seriously, do you yanks get your drivers licence from cereal packets?

No, we get our APPLICATIONS from them, we send them in & they send back a license.
Practically.
It's as easy as getting a gun here.

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:18 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
So gun sellers and shooting trainers will need to be qualified mental health experts?

Totally seriously here, no. BUT. If you (and I mean a person like you or me) talk to a dude for an hour or two, you can plainly see if they are borderline crazy or not. I've talked to lots of folks, and some I wouldn't trust with a bb gun let alone a real firearm. I'm just sayin' that good people should pass along a need for further study. A shooting trainer that sees a trainee cry & laugh every time he gets a bullseye, or hears how his girlfriend needs to RESPECT him, or how he HATES this or that or hears nothing at all like he's training a Terminator needs to raise a flag.
Am I being fascist here??






You can get medical assessments, medical reports etc. You don't have to have the person issuing the licence to have the expertise, but as with our driving licencing laws, there are steps you can go through, quite rightly, to determine whether you are capable of being in charge of a vehicle.

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:18 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Seriously, do you yanks get your drivers licence from cereal packets?

No, we get our APPLICATIONS from them, we send them in & they send back a license.
Practically.
It's as easy as getting a gun here.



Scary country.

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Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:40 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Scary country.

Yeah, tell me about it.
It's why I learned Martial Arts.

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Friday, June 13, 2014 12:17 AM

WISHIMAY


Like I said, EVERYONE in this part of the country has a dozen guns. Hell, hubby just traded some mechanic work for one...Mental health evals for gun owners really is a JOKE. They already have the guns! Back ground checks are a JOKE. Trying to take them back would just get people killed...

As to the drivers license, Most kids take a six month course in school, a year of "permit" driving and then take a test for a license. I would like to see that bumped up to two(would never happen), but your process is wholly unnecessarily drawn out.

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Friday, June 13, 2014 12:34 AM

CHRISISALL


You have to go through some pretty amazing nonsense to get a motorcycle license where I'm from, but getting a gun?
Got a credit card?

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Friday, June 13, 2014 1:31 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

Am I being fascist here??


Fascism is great, as long as you're the one doing the fascizzin'.

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Friday, June 13, 2014 1:39 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Like I said, EVERYONE in this part of the country has a dozen guns. Hell, hubby just traded some mechanic work for one...Mental health evals for gun owners really is a JOKE. They already have the guns! Back ground checks are a JOKE. Trying to take them back would just get people killed...

As to the drivers license, Most kids take a six month course in school, a year of "permit" driving and then take a test for a license. I would like to see that bumped up to two(would never happen), but your process is wholly unnecessarily drawn out.



NO IT'S NOT> STOP BEING SUCH A JERK.


Oops. Channelling a bit of Wishimay there. ;)




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Friday, June 13, 2014 3:59 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
For a dollar?


Damn Chris, you beat me to it!

Stay out of..............trouble


SGG



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Friday, June 13, 2014 10:30 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Oops. Channelling a bit of Wishimay there. ;)



I'm getting to you aren't I? 3000 miles away... I still mess with people's heads

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Friday, June 13, 2014 10:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

OMFG. This is ruttin' REAL.




Chris maker of modes and such, anyone can spend time & effort to turn an idea into something " real ".

You should know better.


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Friday, June 13, 2014 5:19 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Getting a gun license should be as difficult (though not as costly) as getting a pilot's license.
Illegal weapons dealers should be facing life sentences.
Period.

Next up: Kids don't attend schools physically any more due to the possible danger and do all their participation in class via thirty-way online Class Chat (c).
?


I'm sure all the criminals will line up in neat order to pay for your fees and licenses. New time you hear a murderous rampage is in your hood, please proceed to a place where guns are not allowed, so you will be safe there.
That is all.

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Friday, June 13, 2014 6:47 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I'm sure all the criminals will line up in neat order to pay for your fees and licenses. New time you hear a murderous rampage is in your hood, please proceed to a place where guns are not allowed, so you will be safe there.
That is all.



Right, because if criminals wont obey laws, what's the point in having any, right?

We should remove all laws in this case.

This is what I hear you say:

"oh poor us, there is nothing we can do about the gun violence, nothing, all the criminals have the guns anyways, nothing works, laws dont work, we can't do anything except moan and bitch'

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Friday, June 13, 2014 7:23 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Right, because if criminals wont obey laws, what's the point in having any, right?

I *think* he's making his weak case for making guns EASIER for us all to obtain.
I can't be sure though, I'm reading through the snark...

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Friday, June 13, 2014 7:40 PM

WISHIMAY


She REALLY underestimates Americans stubbornness, don't she?

It would quite LITERALLY start WW3 if we were to take guns away. And YES, I mean WW3...not 2nd civil war. You don't think if the US were to engage in a civil war that it would have a massive effect on the rest of the world?

You can't get them to give up guns. Those cash for guns programs? Most are irreparable junk and they just take the money and go get bigger nicer faster shooting guns.

I think your problem, Magons, is you don't believe in the No-win scenario.
Sometimes, an intelligent person knows when they are beat.

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Friday, June 13, 2014 7:50 PM

JONGSSTRAW


"... and she'll shoot guns, guns, guns
'til her daddy takes her Mach 10 awaaaay"

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Friday, June 13, 2014 8:56 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
She REALLY underestimates Americans stubbornness, don't she?

It would quite LITERALLY start WW3 if we were to take guns away. And YES, I mean WW3...not 2nd civil war. You don't think if the US were to engage in a civil war that it would have a massive effect on the rest of the world?

You can't get them to give up guns. Those cash for guns programs? Most are irreparable junk and they just take the money and go get bigger nicer faster shooting guns.

I think your problem, Magons, is you don't believe in the No-win scenario.
Sometimes, an intelligent person knows when they are beat.



Lose/lose. I get it. It's nutty, but it's true.

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Friday, June 13, 2014 9:21 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Scary country.

Yeah, tell me about it.
It's why I learned Martial Arts.




Which is about as useful as a knife in a ...well, you know.


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Friday, June 13, 2014 9:29 PM

OONJERAH



We of US citizenship, I think, are now well used to daily, fatal shoot-
outs in the news.

I am well aware of them. It has not crossed my mind until this moment
to think that I should fix this problem. This is a democracy ; the
People rule. So now, Oonj, just start exerting your power to fix this
problem.

Where to begin? Write to my congressman? Start a public protest?
I think there's probably already a law against people shooting each
other, so I won't try to fix our laws. And yeah, whenever these shoot-
outs happen, the Cops are quickly on the spot. So I won't fix Cop
response. Shall I try to fix the Who Has the Damn Guns thing? So far,
that's working even worse than Prohibition did.

The only thing that'd work is a huge improvement in mental health
over here.
Well ... maybe the Survivors will figure it out.

Suggestions anyone?




... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Part of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.

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Friday, June 13, 2014 9:36 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Suggestions anyone?

Seriously, PAY real professional armed guards to be at schools. We had one at mine back in the day, and we all felt safer for Beretta's (our fond nickname for him) presence.
Oh, but, COST-CUTTING.

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Friday, June 13, 2014 11:12 PM

WISHIMAY


You felt SAFER with armed guards patrolling your school??? I would feel like I was in a prison camp!!

And Oonj, you just rubbed more brain cells together than the entire state of Mississippi. You want to lie down?
I usually like what you post. Are you this meditative IRL, or is it the whole "thinking before you post" thing that helps you??

I don't think I could give up my anger...It's the only thing that keeps people from walking all over me. And yes, I used to NEVER get mad at other people. And I got walked on DAILY.

I'd love to be all Jethro Gibbs about things, but a women gets mad and people really don't care. A guy gets mad and people have a tendency to take a step back don't they?

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Friday, June 13, 2014 11:16 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

We of US citizenship, I think, are now well used to daily, fatal shoot-
outs in the news.

I am well aware of them. It has not crossed my mind until this moment
to think that I should fix this problem. This is a democracy ; the
People rule. So now, Oonj, just start exerting your power to fix this
problem.

Where to begin? Write to my congressman? Start a public protest?
I think there's probably already a law against people shooting each
other, so I won't try to fix our laws. And yeah, whenever these shoot-
outs happen, the Cops are quickly on the spot. So I won't fix Cop
response. Shall I try to fix the Who Has the Damn Guns thing? So far,
that's working even worse the Prohibition did.

The only thing that'd work is a huge improvement in mental health
over here.
Well ... maybe the Survivors will figure it out.

Suggestions anyone?




... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Part of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.



Nope, no suggestions. I just have to say I love the post. It had me in stiches.

si shen

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Friday, June 13, 2014 11:22 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
You felt SAFER with {an armed guard} patrolling your school???

Well, umm, yeah. 'Cause he wasn't gonna shoot anybody. At least, no one not shooting...

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Friday, June 13, 2014 11:34 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
You felt SAFER with {an armed guard} patrolling your school???

Well, umm, yeah. 'Cause he wasn't gonna shoot anybody. At least, no one not shooting...


I suggested the same thing after Sandy Hook, and I got similar responses. Apparently your libtard friends do not know the difference between an armed security officer and an armed madman out for carnage, They only know GUN IS BAD.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 12:18 AM

WISHIMAY


You get his personal-wersonal guar-on-tee? HE promises not to go ballistic when his wife leaves him or his dog dies or he just happens to run out of milk that day???

All I know, the more guns around kids, the more kids get DEAD. There was that video of the instructor whose gun went off in CLASS, yanno. While the probability is low, it's enough to make me tetchy...

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:41 AM

OONJERAH



Short version:

In America, John Doe has just as much freedom to start a shoot-out
as I have to not start one.

... We didn't expect it to become such a fad.



... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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